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===Poll Selection Page===
<span style="color:green;font-family:Comic Sans MS;font-size:150%">REORGANIZE 7-0</span>
 
I looked at the Poll selection page, and I have to admit something: It is a disaster. So here is what I am proposing: We clean it up. To get more into detail:
*We have it split into multiple pages with 25 suggested polls on each page <nowiki>(In example, we have MarioWiki:Poll Selection/Page1, MarioWiki:Poll Selection/Page2, and so forth. We can link them together with a table like on the Proposals Archive, for example. </nowiki>
*No signatures. I know this was already a rule, but many users either A) Get around the rules by putting the images as they are in their signature and then putting the allowed coding. B) Flat out ignore the rule and post a signature. After a while, when users start doing this, it becomes out of hand to deal with the problem. All in all, what I am saying here is: You are only allowed to sign with <nowiki>{{User|User Name Here}} or [[User:User Name Here|Whatever]]</nowiki>.
*Other laws of organization: Basically, if/when this proposal passes, we enforce these rules on a regular basis, and if it is necessary, make rules to adapt to new situations. This is obvious, but it did not seem to work on the page.<br>
If this is passed, and it works, we can make suggesting and voting on new polls easier, quicker, and more efficient. Also, this plan can reduce loading time for the pages.
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'''Proposer:''' {{User|Super Mario Bros.}}<br>
'''Deadline:''' Friday, 3 July 2009, 20:00
 
====Reorganize Poll Selection Page====
#{{User|Super Mario Bros.}} Per my reasoning above and Timmy Tim's vote below.
#{{User|Timmy Tim}} It's falling apart and needs mending. Deleting repeat polls and one with more opposers than supporters will also have to be done.
#{{User|Paper Yoshi}} - Agreed. I've been wanting to do that by posting messages on the Poll Selection talk page and asking if I actually could do it, but a proposal definitively is the best way to enforce these rules and make that "disaster" a good page. If you need help with it, I'm up to the job. (I don't know if that expression exists, but w/e :P)
#{{User|Zafum}} - Of course, this will make it even more difficult to delete polls that are opposed or non-[[mario]]-related. After this proposal passes, hopefully I will be able to find a way to get around this.
#{{user|Coincollector}} - Aye per Super Mario Bros. It takes too long to load the polls page; its content is too large.
#{{User|Zero777}} I am Zero! I sort of like and dislike (50/50) the idea of splitting the poll selection page into several pages. The no signature rule doesn't need to be enforced, nobody use signatures in the new polls. Zero signing out.
#[[User:Lu-igi board|Lu-igi board]] 15:22, 3 July 2009 (EDT)about time.
 
====Leave It the Way It Is (Messy and Destroyed)====
 
====Comments====
Paper Yoshi, I'm sorry to say I can't have your help in reorganizing the page right now, but in helping to observe the rules and help keeping it cleaned after I finish reorganizing it will help me a whole lot, as we might as well not do the proposal if the page is going to get messed up again. So, once again, to help me, all you need to do is keep the page clean once I'm finished. Thank you for your wanting to help me though. {{User|Super Mario Bros.}}
 
{{User|Zafum}} - How are you going to be able to get rid of the signatures that cover most of the polls already? I'm sure your not going to delete all those polls?
:No, I'm not deleting polls based on signatures, the signatures in question can easily be changed to acceptable forms of signing. The only polls that are going to be deleted are the ones with two more opposes than supporters. For a more in depth version of my plan, check my other comment below. {{User|Super Mario Bros.}}
::Well, here is my plan. First, I am going to, as Timmy Tim suggested, delete the polls that have two more opposes than supporters. Then, I am going to take the remaining ones and put them on separate pages, each page holding a maximum of 25 polls, and they will be linked to each other by a table (similar to the Proposals Archive pages). After that, I am going to change the signatures to '''<nowiki>{{User|User Name Here}}</nowiki>''' coding, therefore completing my plan and reorganizing the Polls Page. The pages, however, need to be maintained and kept organized. This should reduce loading time and make the Poll Selection page(s) more presentable, among other benefits that are gained from this project. {{User|Super Mario Bros.}}
::{{User|Zafum}} - It's not really a question of how easy it is to change the signatures, but how long it will take. But if you have the time to change every signature on the poll page, then go ahead. ps. I was the one that made the rule to delete polls with 2 more opposers than supporters
:::If it passes, I should be finished organizing the day it meets deadline. {{User|Super Mario Bros.}}
}}
 
 
 
===Enforce No-Signature Policy===
<span style="color:green;font-family:Comic Sans MS;font-size:150%">Add New Rules 3-0</span>
 
I feel that the "No-Signature Policy" on many of the pages around the wiki have been utterly violated. Many of the users like to use the "letter of the law" technique as opposed to the "spirit of the law", which, in other scenarios, is okay, but is '''not''' good to this policy. Due to many pages that feature the "No-Signature Policy" having limited space, they cannot touch upon the many ideas that were originally expressed when this "policy" went into enactment. As of such, as I stated earlier, many users dodge the rules (see the second bullet in my above proposal about the Poll Selection page). As of such, I would like to create one page that has detailed rules on the subject, and that could be linked to pages that share these many ideas. The page, if created, would most likely be titled '''<nowiki>MarioWiki:No-Signature Policy</nowiki>'''. A rough draft of my proposed page can be located [[User:Super Mario Bros./No-Sig|here]].
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'''Proposer:''' {{User|Super Mario Bros.}} ''(With great advice from {{User|Walkazo}})''<br>
'''Deadline:''' Sunday, 5 July 2009, 15:00
 
====Make the New Page====
#{{User|Super Mario Bros.}} Remember, this proposal was not made to ''prevent'' this from happening, it was made to stop what is currently going on ''and'' prevent it from happening again in the future.
#{{User|Cobold}} - We can use a page like that to explain why we need to enforce the use of the {{tem|user}}-Template instead of personalized signatures.
#{{User|Walkazo}} - Sounds good. Per all.
 
====Leave It the Way It Is====
 
====Comments====
On what pages exactly has this rule been violated? What pages are under this rule, anyway? - {{User|Cobold}} 17:36, 29 June 2009 (EDT)
:Technically, the rule has been violated on the [[MarioWiki:Featured Images|featured images]] page as well as the [[MarioWiki:Poll Selection|poll selection]] page, which say that no signatures are allowed. Most times, signatures are frowned upon because of the images or size, that they ruin counting and slow computers down, among others. Users, instead, post the image and then allowed coding. They basically dodge the rules, so they are technically not breaking them in the way that they are stated, but they are skipping around the original intents that the rules stated were based on. Which is why I proposed this, to make a policy that is more in depth and that can be linked to on these pages. {{User|Super Mario Bros.}}
 
I made changes on the page that is linked to. Walkazo gave me some great suggestions, and I incorporated them into the rules list. {{User|Super Mario Bros.}}
:More changes have been made. Credit goes to Walkazo for the changes, she is really helping me with the ideas for the page. {{User|Super Mario Bros.}}
 
I find it ridiculous and annoying that almost all proposals these days are about signature rules. {{User|Dom}}
:I know, I hate making them just as much, but when we have users that dodge rules, it has to be done. Plus, this should be the last proposal about signatures (other problems about the signatures can be dealt with by a minor proposal, per say, on the discussion of a page that needs to deal with signature problems). {{User|Super Mario Bros.}}
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Revision as of 09:10, July 8, 2009

Any proposal decided and past is archived here. Use the scroll box to see votes and comments. This page is protected to maintain the discussion as was. Please add archived proposals to the bottom of the page.
All past proposals are archived here. This page is protected to preserve the discussions as they were.
Previous proposals

Poll Selection Page

REORGANIZE 7-0

I looked at the Poll selection page, and I have to admit something: It is a disaster. So here is what I am proposing: We clean it up. To get more into detail:

  • We have it split into multiple pages with 25 suggested polls on each page (In example, we have MarioWiki:Poll Selection/Page1, MarioWiki:Poll Selection/Page2, and so forth. We can link them together with a table like on the Proposals Archive, for example.
  • No signatures. I know this was already a rule, but many users either A) Get around the rules by putting the images as they are in their signature and then putting the allowed coding. B) Flat out ignore the rule and post a signature. After a while, when users start doing this, it becomes out of hand to deal with the problem. All in all, what I am saying here is: You are only allowed to sign with {{User|User Name Here}} or [[User:User Name Here|Whatever]].
  • Other laws of organization: Basically, if/when this proposal passes, we enforce these rules on a regular basis, and if it is necessary, make rules to adapt to new situations. This is obvious, but it did not seem to work on the page.

If this is passed, and it works, we can make suggesting and voting on new polls easier, quicker, and more efficient. Also, this plan can reduce loading time for the pages.

Proposer: Super Mario Bros. (talk)
Deadline: Friday, 3 July 2009, 20:00

Reorganize Poll Selection Page

  1. Super Mario Bros. (talk) Per my reasoning above and Timmy Tim's vote below.
  2. Timmy Tim (talk) It's falling apart and needs mending. Deleting repeat polls and one with more opposers than supporters will also have to be done.
  3. Paper Yoshi (talk) - Agreed. I've been wanting to do that by posting messages on the Poll Selection talk page and asking if I actually could do it, but a proposal definitively is the best way to enforce these rules and make that "disaster" a good page. If you need help with it, I'm up to the job. (I don't know if that expression exists, but w/e :P)
  4. Zafum (talk) - Of course, this will make it even more difficult to delete polls that are opposed or non-mario-related. After this proposal passes, hopefully I will be able to find a way to get around this.
  5. Coincollector (talk) - Aye per Super Mario Bros. It takes too long to load the polls page; its content is too large.
  6. Zero777 (talk) I am Zero! I sort of like and dislike (50/50) the idea of splitting the poll selection page into several pages. The no signature rule doesn't need to be enforced, nobody use signatures in the new polls. Zero signing out.
  7. Lu-igi board 15:22, 3 July 2009 (EDT)about time.

Leave It the Way It Is (Messy and Destroyed)

Comments

Paper Yoshi, I'm sorry to say I can't have your help in reorganizing the page right now, but in helping to observe the rules and help keeping it cleaned after I finish reorganizing it will help me a whole lot, as we might as well not do the proposal if the page is going to get messed up again. So, once again, to help me, all you need to do is keep the page clean once I'm finished. Thank you for your wanting to help me though. Super Mario Bros. (talk)

Zafum (talk) - How are you going to be able to get rid of the signatures that cover most of the polls already? I'm sure your not going to delete all those polls?

No, I'm not deleting polls based on signatures, the signatures in question can easily be changed to acceptable forms of signing. The only polls that are going to be deleted are the ones with two more opposes than supporters. For a more in depth version of my plan, check my other comment below. Super Mario Bros. (talk)
Well, here is my plan. First, I am going to, as Timmy Tim suggested, delete the polls that have two more opposes than supporters. Then, I am going to take the remaining ones and put them on separate pages, each page holding a maximum of 25 polls, and they will be linked to each other by a table (similar to the Proposals Archive pages). After that, I am going to change the signatures to {{User|User Name Here}} coding, therefore completing my plan and reorganizing the Polls Page. The pages, however, need to be maintained and kept organized. This should reduce loading time and make the Poll Selection page(s) more presentable, among other benefits that are gained from this project. Super Mario Bros. (talk)
Zafum (talk) - It's not really a question of how easy it is to change the signatures, but how long it will take. But if you have the time to change every signature on the poll page, then go ahead. ps. I was the one that made the rule to delete polls with 2 more opposers than supporters
If it passes, I should be finished organizing the day it meets deadline. Super Mario Bros. (talk)


Enforce No-Signature Policy

Add New Rules 3-0

I feel that the "No-Signature Policy" on many of the pages around the wiki have been utterly violated. Many of the users like to use the "letter of the law" technique as opposed to the "spirit of the law", which, in other scenarios, is okay, but is not good to this policy. Due to many pages that feature the "No-Signature Policy" having limited space, they cannot touch upon the many ideas that were originally expressed when this "policy" went into enactment. As of such, as I stated earlier, many users dodge the rules (see the second bullet in my above proposal about the Poll Selection page). As of such, I would like to create one page that has detailed rules on the subject, and that could be linked to pages that share these many ideas. The page, if created, would most likely be titled MarioWiki:No-Signature Policy. A rough draft of my proposed page can be located here.

Proposer: Super Mario Bros. (talk) (With great advice from Walkazo (talk))
Deadline: Sunday, 5 July 2009, 15:00

Make the New Page

  1. Super Mario Bros. (talk) Remember, this proposal was not made to prevent this from happening, it was made to stop what is currently going on and prevent it from happening again in the future.
  2. Cobold (talk) - We can use a page like that to explain why we need to enforce the use of the {{user}}-Template instead of personalized signatures.
  3. Walkazo (talk) - Sounds good. Per all.

Leave It the Way It Is

Comments

On what pages exactly has this rule been violated? What pages are under this rule, anyway? - Cobold (talk) 17:36, 29 June 2009 (EDT)

Technically, the rule has been violated on the featured images page as well as the poll selection page, which say that no signatures are allowed. Most times, signatures are frowned upon because of the images or size, that they ruin counting and slow computers down, among others. Users, instead, post the image and then allowed coding. They basically dodge the rules, so they are technically not breaking them in the way that they are stated, but they are skipping around the original intents that the rules stated were based on. Which is why I proposed this, to make a policy that is more in depth and that can be linked to on these pages. Super Mario Bros. (talk)

I made changes on the page that is linked to. Walkazo gave me some great suggestions, and I incorporated them into the rules list. Super Mario Bros. (talk)

More changes have been made. Credit goes to Walkazo for the changes, she is really helping me with the ideas for the page. Super Mario Bros. (talk)

I find it ridiculous and annoying that almost all proposals these days are about signature rules. Dom (talk)

I know, I hate making them just as much, but when we have users that dodge rules, it has to be done. Plus, this should be the last proposal about signatures (other problems about the signatures can be dealt with by a minor proposal, per say, on the discussion of a page that needs to deal with signature problems). Super Mario Bros. (talk)
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