Talk:Dragon Wario (Wario Land: Super Mario Land 3)

Should Dragon Wario be included in the Dragon Category and Template? - Walkazo

No, because it's a form of Wario, not an actual dragonn Goomb-omb

Id like to counter that. The Ice Template has Ice Mario and Ice Luigi in it. Why can't the Dragon template have Dragon Wario then? Super-Yoshi^{Talk? C???}

Fire Creatures

Wario isn't really a creature, so could I remove him from this template?

Goomb-omb 14:31, 1 December 2008 (EST)

No, the Fire Template shows everything that is associated with fire, including Wario. As for "creature", my dictionary's definition is "anything created, especially a living being" which means Wario is a creature. We went with the name "creature" because of this universality: it covers characters (i.e. Wario), species (animals and plants) and things that are neither (like ghosts, and half the things on the template). - Walkazo 22:24, 1 December 2008 (EST)

The fire template seems pretty pointless. Does anyone actually use it to navigate through "fire" articles? Is it even helpful? -- Son of Suns (talk)

No not really. Many fire creatures have appeared in the Mario series, and it would also make some templates like the Ice and Dragon templates kinda awkward if we consider that. Think about it..."Does anyone need to navigate through Dragon articles?" IMO, the more templates an article has, the better it is. Super-Yoshi^{Talk? C???}

I've used it to research species that use fire, and I've used the Dragon template for the same reasons. It's interesting and useful from a scientific point of view. - Walkazo 22:39, 1 December 2008 (EST)

But a category does exactly the same thing, and in an orderly way (not scrunched links all crammed into a little box). I disagree with you Super-Yoshi - I think templates need to be extremely functional, or else they are pointless. More templates does not make an article better. Too many can make it worse. This wiki over-creates templates. Not every category needs a template - the category does it's job just fine. Along with this fire one, we should also probably consider getting rid of the Ice and Dragon ones as well. -- Son of Suns (talk)

Get rid of the elementals if you must, but I ask that we leave the Dragons. They're a valid group of animals, like the Shy Guys, Goombas and Koopas. Also, I didn't know if it's just me, but I find browzing via. templates much more appealing than staring at category lists. Templates make articles feel a bit more connected, IMO. But then again, I'm weird... - Walkazo 22:46, 1 December 2008 (EST)

Yeah I dunno. I guess ultimately I don't care too much. But these templates that are essentially the categories really bug me. Like, what's the point? So yeah, I dunno. Let's get some other opinions, yes? -- Son of Suns (talk)

Ask Stooben Rooben, he made a lot of the templates, and should definitely have a say in this. We might also want to make it a proposal, seeing as it'd affect a lot of articles, and we'd need to spread the word that categorical templates are to be discouraged. Personally, I like lots of templates because it helps small articles like this one get noticed; but I'll admit, it does makes the big pages like Bowser a bit onerous. - Walkazo 23:09, 1 December 2008 (EST)

I don't think it's really worth a proposal since it's just a small change on the very bottom of each page. I still object to "creature" because even though it isn't wrong, I think it is awkward to call individual people "creatures"(I know I wouldn't like being called a "creature!")Same with Fire Mario and Fire Luigi--those are just forms, not separate entities or creatures from regular old Mario and Luigi. Don't care enough to fight for it, really. Having templates-categories has always bugged me on this site, especially when they have the same exact things on both. I don't think that we need templates aside form things like "power-ups", "bosses", or other important material. Just my two cents. Goomb-omb

Well, while I do think some templates that I've made are a bit ridiculous, and plan to soon rid the wiki of them as long as there are no objections (*cough* *cough*), I do think that the templates on this page should stay. I have used the fire template (as well as the dragon one) several times to travel from article to article and compare information. It's easier than waiting for another page to load and then find what you're looking for. I think with certain templates being redesigned to look somewhat like this, they'd be much more appeasing to people. I have two big opinions on this matter.

• 1) All navigation templates should be collapsible completely. This means all the way down to one row. Then, said templates should be reorganized in an easy to navigate manner, be it by alphabetizing it's contents, or by grouping them together and alphabetizing them. (That's my favorite way to do it, as you can see with many of my later templates.) By doing so, navigation templates take up exactly the same amount of space, but can be enlarged with the click of a button to find exactly what you're looking for.
• 2) All navigation templates should refer to any one of the following:
  • Game-specific templates — when making a template based on one game, you should break it down into four main sections: Locations, Items, Enemies, and Bosses. Other sections can be added if necessary. (Examples are {{SM64}}, {{SMB2}}, and {{Super Mario Bros.}}.)
  • Series-specific templates — this should mainly be used to target an entire series of games with one common feature. This one feature would be broken down into its appearance within each game in the series. (Examples are {{Racecourses}}, {{MP}}, and {{Boss}}.)
  • Species-specific templates — this should only be used with enemies with a large amount of species, as well as a reasonable amount of characters based on said species. (Examples are {{Goomba}}, {{Hammer Bros.}}, and {{Fire}}, and even {{Dragons}}.)

So, having said that, I strongly support keeping the templates that are on this article. I have actually been thinking of starting a proposal that would enforce rules like these on navigation templates, so that the current mess we have on some articles could be completely rid of. I would need the help of others though to actually tackle the feat of setting those rules in to all templates though; that's why I've yet to actually mention it until now. — Stooben Rooben 06:45, 5 December 2008 (EST)

I agree with one completely. I agree with two mostly, except that I don't think all navigation templates have to be one of three options. What a template needs to do is to somehow discriminate information either based on organization offered by a game itself (such as {{Star Spirits}} or {{Crystalstar}}, where one game provides a boundary to organize a single unified set of characters, items, etc.) or by effectively organizing a large amount of information about a single topic ((such as {{Coins}}, where the same concept that is used across series is effectively organized into several sections for easy navigation). Basically, we shouldn't restrict ourselves to any one (or three) types of template, but be open to multiple ways of organizing templates, as long as those templates offer a simple way of organizing and navigating through articles, and not simply replicating a category, especially if a category is filled with many articles only loosely affiliated. Just my thoughts. -- Son of Suns (talk)