Talk:Cascading Stone

Official name? RAP... Does it mean you can throw it? :P

Not really.Knife (talk) 16:42, 16 December 2007 (EST)

Merge Cascading Stone, vanishing platform, and moon platform with Falling Platform

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Current time: Thursday, December 19, 2024, 23:35 GMT

I was going to make a unilateral move, but as this impacts several articles, a proposal would be more appropriate. I would like to consolidate the Cascading Stone, moon platform, and vanishing platform pages together into one. A preview is available here.

Browsing the Falling Platform article should convey what this object is, and that it is nearly identical to the recurring Cascading Stones from the Yoshi franchise in both design, mechanics, and form. The only outlier is that the Falling Platforms in Super Mario Odyssey are made of rusted metal, but I think this is outweighed by all of the mechanical and spatial similarities. Additionally, it does not seem like the platform's identity as a rock is very important or an defining trait, as the Japanese word "rock" has only been incorporated into the subject's name once, in Yoshi's Island DS, and never again. In addition, it seems like both subjects have gone by a series or very similar names throughout history (as apparent in the preview I link to above in my sandbox), which is not dissimilar to to the names of Donut Blocks, Flatbed Ferries, Note Blocks, Jet Pipes and many other recurring objects in the Mario franchise. So I view the similarities in nomenclature to be further indication that these objects are one in the same. This is not the first time a object from Yoshi's Island has leapt into the mainline games, as is the case with Wobble Rocks.

Originally, my proposal only sought to merge the Cascading Stones and Falling Platform articles. However, there are a couple of over objects that think can reasonably be viewed as identical: namely the vanishing platforms and moon platforms from Super Mario Odyssey. A critical examination of the various kingdoms in Super Mario Odyssey reveals that most kingdoms support the same object or type of object with different designs to match the intended topography, but this does not make them ontologically different objects. This is apparent with a close comparision between many objects in the game, such as flowers, small animals, seesaws (note Timer Challenge vs. sub-area), Brick Blocks (note Wooded Kingdom vs. most other appearances), and so on. So while these objects do not look like rusted panels, I don't think that matters as much as the fact that they are mechanically identical. Objects during Timer Challenges, so as the mentioned vanishing platforms, tend to have vibrant toy-like appearances, and the moon platforms are nearly identical to the giant cube-shaped Falling Platforms from Super Mario 3D Land. The "vanishing platforms" and "moon platforms" are not signaled out as unique objects in any literature available to me other than the Prima Games guidebook, including The Art of Super Mario Odyssey.

I offer three options:

1. Support: Move them all: Cascading Stones, vanishing platforms, and moon platforms would be moved to the Falling Platform article, the same way it looks in my preview.
2. Support: Only move Cascading Stone: The Super Mario Odyssey objects would not be touched.
3. Support: Only move vanishing platform and moon platform to Falling Platform: Cascading Stone would not be touched.
4. Opppose: Keep them all split from one another

Proposer: Nintendo101 (talk)
Deadline: Dec. 28th, 2024, 23:59 GMT

Support: Move them all!

1. Nintendo101 (talk) Per proposal.
2. Rykitu (talk) Per Nintendo101.

Support: Only move vanishing platform and moon platform

1. Arend (talk) I feel we should leave the Cascading Stone out of this. Not only are its Japanese names very different (with only the SM2YI one being slightly similar to the Japanese name of specifically the SM3DL one (which also happens to be the only one of the other falling platforms made of stone)), but Yoshi's Island also features sections such as this one where Cascading Stones will drop down automatically and Yoshi has to climb upon the dropped stones without getting crushed. The stones in these sections do not require being stepped on by the player character to fall down, and as far as I know, none of these other falling platforms have a auto-dropping variant like that. Also, as far as I know, none of these other falling platforms stay put when dropping to the ground (in fact, most of them crumble into disappearance, or vanish in a puff of smoke). In addition, Cascading Stones frequently appear in varying rectangular shapes and sizes, whereas each of the other platforms mentioned have a more consistent size and shape. Moreover, the Cascading Stone article also seems to cover a variant in Yoshi's Island DS called Slide Block, that uh, doesn't actually fall down, as can be seen here.
2. Nintendo101 (talk) Secondary option, per Arend.

Oppose: Keep them split

#Rykitu (talk) Each are different enough from one another.

Comments on the Falling Platform proposal

@Rykitu what do you think of the information I laid out in the proposal? - Nintendo101 (talk) 17:24, December 14, 2024 (EST)

@Nintendo101 Sorry about that! Often times I don't read the full proposal and just read enough info for me to understand the full thing unless there's a TL:DR section at the bottom. I thought you were referring to Donut blocks. And when I think of the Cascading Stones from Yoshi's Island, I think of ones that fall from the sky that aren't triggered by the player, which isn't the case for the Donut blocks. I had no idea a falling platform page even existed until now. So can I delete my vote and support or am I supposed to cross it out? Rykitu (talk)

No worries :) Yes, you are supposed to cross-out your current vote and just write in a new one for the option you like. In case you you do not know how to do that, you put <s> and </s> around your current vote. The result looks like this this: #Rykitu (talk) Each are different enough from one another.. Hope that helps! - Nintendo101 (talk) 18:57, December 14, 2024 (EST)

The fact that these platforms have a similar functionality should not be a deciding factor. We should always question if these platforms are different objects first and foremost. Axii (talk) 09:05, December 18, 2024 (EST)

Yes, I agree. I do not think these are different objects (or at least the ones from Super Mario Odyssey). - Nintendo101 (talk) 11:09, December 18, 2024 (EST)

Vanishing platform only appears when a scarecrow is active. Moon platform can be activated by falling rocks, not just the Bowser capture. Axii (talk) 11:45, December 18, 2024 (EST)