Talk:Golden Mushroom (crownless)

Merge with Gold Mushroom

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Current time: Monday, November 4, 2024, 23:18 GMT

Merging this and Gold Mushroom would be nice for consistency, as there are items in this franchise that have had varying appearances (which is seemingly the only reason the articles are separate) that are under the same article. Removing the (crownless) in the title would probably be best as well, as the crowned variant uses a different name. A disambiguation link is enough to distinguish the two.

If this proposal passes, the Gold Mushroom article would be deleted and merged into this one. I've got a mockup article in my sandbox if this proposal passes and goes into effect.

Proposer: OmegaRuby (talk)
Deadline: February 20, 2024, 23:59 GMT

Support

1. OmegaRuby (talk) Per proposal.
2. Hewer (talk) Per proposal, the distinction between these two based solely on colour differences that are so negligible they could easily be stylistic variation feels pretty arbitrary (I've actually been meaning to propose this for two years but could never be bothered)
3. Swallow (talk) Per proposal.
4. MegaBowser64 (talk) Per all. At this point it's kind of silly (and confusing) that we're keeping these separate. You can argue all you want about differing function, but as far as design goes, the two are totally similar enough to merge.
5. Camwoodstock (talk) - Per all. As it stands, we have 3 distinct Gold Mushroom articles. We understand the Gold Dash Mushroom being split (it has a consistent purpose and has had a crown since MKWii), but these two non-crowned versions really needed to be merged awhile ago. It's not like this Golden Mushroom and the other Golden Mushroom have had 100% consistent uses either way; across these two articles, Gold Mushrooms are replacements for 1-ups, replacements for coins, stat boosters, stand-ins for other items, health recovery items, and... whatever the use it has in Super Nintendo World is.
6. Nintenboi1 (talk) Per all. They might not be the same functionally, but I don't think that's nearly good enough a reason to keep them separate considering how similar the designs are. Besides, this isn't the only item to vary in function between different games and appearances (The Poison Mushroom comes to mind in this regard)
7. DrippingYellow (talk) Per all. Besides, aren't "golden" and "gold" literally synonyms?
8. Biggestman (talk) They are literally the same thing. These being separate pages hurts me on an emotional level. Per all.
9. PrincessPeachFan (talk) Never really understood why they were split.

Oppose

1. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) - If the (very different in functional concept) SNW item was meant to be the same as the NSMB2 item, why make a new render in the first place?
2. FanOfYoshi (talk) Per Doc von Schmeltwick.

Comments

@Doc: How is that more unlikely than the SNW mushroom being the MP2 one (different shape) or the M&L one (different spot colour)? And why did they make new SNW renders for Yoshi Eggs and Bowser Jr.? Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 11:42, February 6, 2024 (EST)

This page is more a "the rest" in comparison to the NSMB2-based one being intended as a distinct recurring item. As for the other SNW ones, that's not really comparable as those still used the same base model and textures (plus Yoshi Egg spot color and pattern varies anyway) unlike the mushes, and of course Jr.'s gonna have a new one, he's a character with things like limbs that need positioned. I also want to point out my original proposal to split the dumping ground that was the original "Golden Mushroom" page. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 13:45, February 6, 2024 (EST)

Key Coin's another object that got SNW artwork, I don't think that's a good point to hinge your argument on (also, wouldn't these two mushrooms have the same "base model" anyway?). And I question why "the rest" needs splitting from the supposedly intended recurring item. Appearance doesn't work because this one's appearance is all over the place, same goes for the Gold/Golden naming difference and the function. And I've been wanting this merge since not long after that proposal happened, I still agree with the other two splits but this one seems a lot more arbitrary and speculative. Hewer (talk · contributions · edit count) 16:12, February 6, 2024 (EST)

While we're here, there's also the Grand Gold Mushroom from Puzzle & Dragons: Super Mario Bros. Edition--yet another version of the Gold Mushroom, which is currently missing from the disambiguation. We assume it won't be included in this merge, but we'd like to keep it on record that it exists at all. ~Camwoodstock (talk) 16:36, February 6, 2024 (EST)

I never really understood why the pages were split. Nintendo never really treated these as interchangeable from regular Golden Mushrooms in the first place. And besides, the "Dash" part really only started existing in Mario Party and Mario and Sonic. PrincessPeachFan (talk) 08:55, February 7, 2024 (EST)