Talk:Giant Wiggler

Romanization

According to Template:Media link, ハナチャン appears to be officially romanized with a hyphen, as Hana-chan. I don't think this is to split the word across lines, as in the full deck, other names such as Nokonoko are split without a hyphen. This would make the proper article name "Kyodai Hana-chan", right? AgentMuffin (talk) 01:43, July 28, 2019 (EDT)

There are other cases where it's not hyphenated, so a deck of cards isn't worth changing it over. LinkTheLefty (talk) 18:22, July 28, 2019 (EDT)

Should just be changed to "Giant Wiggler"

I mean, it's Japanese name literally means Giant Wiggler. We had cases with Super Mario Land enemies like Piranha Plant having "Pakkun Flower" literally meaning the former. So why this? CastleResearch (talk) 15:05, December 1, 2019 (EST)

Because we do not fan translate under any circumstance. Additionally, Nintendo seems to like to translate "Kyodai" to simply "Big," judging by Big Island and Boss Bass. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 15:06, December 1, 2019 (EST)

So wouldn't that mean Big Wiggler and this one are essentially the same? Should we merge them? CastleResearch (talk) 15:12, December 1, 2019 (EST)

Potentially, but since a proposal split them, another proposal would be needed to re-merge them. I've come to disagree with some of the points made to split them, particularly the internal unused data one (as the same could be said of Micro Goombas in NSMBW and Big Boos in SMA4). Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 18:14, December 1, 2019 (EST)

Another thing of note is that in Japanese NSMB, the only other "Kyodai" are the similarly larger-than-the-screen Mega Unagi, as well as the Mega Mario transformation and Mega Mushroom. The big Cheep-Cheeps, Deep-Cheeps, Dry Bones, Piranha Plants, Thwomps, and Whomps all use "Dai" instead, indicating that "Kyodai" was intended as a level above "Dai" in this game (though "Kyodai" had been used for simply "big" enemies in SMB3). Note that Mega Goomba in NSMB uses "Boss" like most of the other bosses in the game. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 14:48, April 14, 2020 (EDT)

Is it an enemy?

Can you die by touching its face? --58.176.43.120 23:37, March 3, 2022 (EST)

No, but in the future please don't add something you're unsure about to the page before asking for verification. Mario JC 07:27, March 4, 2022 (EST)

Proof that the Giant Wiggler is harmless

I don't have the DS anymore so I need a video showing if the Giant Wiggler is actually harmless or does it still damage you
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by ToadMushroom823 (talk).

See the previous section. Mario JC 09:42, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

Can it be wall jumped at least?

If the Giant Wiggler is harmless, is it a solid enemy that can be wall jumped or is it semi-solidToadMushroom823 (talk) 22:36, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

Merge with Big Wiggler

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This article is pretty much a stub, has a name that consists of a generic descriptor, and is even acknowledged in the current article as a specific Big Wiggler. The Big Wiggler article also has a New Super Mario Bros. section that links to this page. I overall don't really see any reason to keep these articles separate, as they are describing essentially the same entity which has only minor differences in appearance between games (number of segments in this case) that might be expected for a gameplay-relevant creature such as this, which serves as a platform in this particular game.

Looking further at the previous proposal that led to these articles being split to begin with, it seems like the split hinged largely on the point of the unused giant Wiggler enemy in New Super Mario Bros.. While I might consider this a good argument if these Wigglers were actually in the released game to contrast with the rideable Giant Wiggler, they are ultimately unused, and so I can't see them as a good argument for keeping them separate — there doesn't seem to be strong reason to believe that these two variants of giant Wiggler were ever meant to appear together in the release game, as unused elements are often essentially prototypes for game elements that ultimately make it in, and in any case, they are not really part of the game as released.

Additionally, while the two Wigglers have different Japanese names, per LinkTheLefty in the last proposal, there is a lot of precedent for “Kyodai” and “Deka” being used inconsistently for examples such as Big Goomba, Big Koopa Troopa, and Mega Block – and these articles are merged on the wiki nonetheless.

Proposer: Pseudo (talk)
Deadline: October 23, 2023, 23:59 GMT

Support

1. Pseudo (talk) Per proposal.
2. LinkTheLefty (talk) I don't necessarily stand by the previous proposal. As Doc points out a little after that here, New Super Mario Bros. Wii has used Super Mario Bros. 3-esque Mini Goombas but unused New Super Mario Bros. ones. Also consider this: Super Mario Galaxy 2 internally uses basically the same name as the New Super Mario Bros. version, which wasn't known about in the previous proposal. The only Kyodai/Deka outlier I know of is Mega/Big Mushroom, and even then, Mega Mushroom has had several Japanese names and was at one point called Deka Kinoko anyway, just like Super Mario Maker's Big Mushroom. All in all, I no longer think this is strong enough to remain split.
3. MegaBowser64 (talk) Fair enough, provided that the singular Giant Wiggler stays as a subsection on the Big Wiggler page.
4. Ahemtoday (talk) Per proposal.