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:It was a joke name originally used by DK Vine. Since we have to resort to a conjectural name anyway, there's not really any harm in keeping it. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 10:49, December 3, 2020 (EST)
:It was a joke name originally used by DK Vine. Since we have to resort to a conjectural name anyway, there's not really any harm in keeping it. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 10:49, December 3, 2020 (EST)
::At least "Catfish" is better. {{User:Wynn Liaw/sig}} 10:49, December 3, 2020 (EST)
::At least "Catfish" is better. {{User:Wynn Liaw/sig}} 10:49, December 3, 2020 (EST)
I moved the aricle back to [[Tim]] for the following reasons:
#The subject cannot be assigned a species. Catfish have a distinct flattened head and up to four pairs of barbels that are lengthy enough to warrant a comparison to actual cats. Tim’s head is rounder with only two short barbels, which, if anything, makes him more similar to carp, specifically koi given the flamboyant pattern on his head. However, the barbel positioning still maintains some degree of differentiation between a real carp and Tim: a carp has them on the edges of its mouth, while Tim’s are closer to the middle. This may be written off as character stylisation, which has lush precedence in Retro-developed Donkey Kong games; to offer an example, [[Skittler]]s, spider enemies, are designed with six legs instead of eight. While it’s reasonable to think Tim was conceived as a stylised koi fish given the traits I’ve mentioned, his fictional minutiae still whitewash some of his koi appearance to the point that us calling him something made-up feels more suitable than a mundane label like “Koi” (or “Catfish”).
#The name “Tim” seems to have already propagated quite a bit among Donkey Kong fans. To what degree that owes to Super Mario Wiki or the original labeller, DK Vine, is up for debate.
#It’s a funny, affectionate name.
I think it goes without saying that, once the official name and species of this subject are derived from the above-mentioned game guide, we will duly update the article to reflect the discovery and replace “Tim” with whatever he/she/it is actually named in Japanese.
{{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 12:10, April 11, 2021 (EDT)

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I figured this creature should have its own article since it helps you progress through the level and even has an entry in the Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze Shogakukan guide, as you can see in this picture. The official name is unfortunately out of the frame, so if anybody has the book, please consult it and move the article to the proper name. And no, the fish is not mentioned in the Prima guide. -- KOOPA CON CARNE 15:58, January 5, 2020 (EST)

Name

Was the name of this article a random name pulled out of nowhere? Why was "Tim" the name given to this article? Mario jumping Nightwicked Bowser Bowser emblem from Mario Kart 8

It was a joke name originally used by DK Vine. Since we have to resort to a conjectural name anyway, there's not really any harm in keeping it. --Waluigi's head icon in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe. Too Bad! Waluigi Time! 10:49, December 3, 2020 (EST)
At least "Catfish" is better. Sprite of a green Egg Block from Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island Wynn Liaw 10:49, December 3, 2020 (EST)

I moved the aricle back to Tim for the following reasons:

  1. The subject cannot be assigned a species. Catfish have a distinct flattened head and up to four pairs of barbels that are lengthy enough to warrant a comparison to actual cats. Tim’s head is rounder with only two short barbels, which, if anything, makes him more similar to carp, specifically koi given the flamboyant pattern on his head. However, the barbel positioning still maintains some degree of differentiation between a real carp and Tim: a carp has them on the edges of its mouth, while Tim’s are closer to the middle. This may be written off as character stylisation, which has lush precedence in Retro-developed Donkey Kong games; to offer an example, Skittlers, spider enemies, are designed with six legs instead of eight. While it’s reasonable to think Tim was conceived as a stylised koi fish given the traits I’ve mentioned, his fictional minutiae still whitewash some of his koi appearance to the point that us calling him something made-up feels more suitable than a mundane label like “Koi” (or “Catfish”).
  2. The name “Tim” seems to have already propagated quite a bit among Donkey Kong fans. To what degree that owes to Super Mario Wiki or the original labeller, DK Vine, is up for debate.
  3. It’s a funny, affectionate name.

I think it goes without saying that, once the official name and species of this subject are derived from the above-mentioned game guide, we will duly update the article to reflect the discovery and replace “Tim” with whatever he/she/it is actually named in Japanese. -- KOOPA CON CARNE 12:10, April 11, 2021 (EDT)