Talk:Snooza Koopa

The Prima guide isn't an official source. Is there an official name for them anyway? - Cobold (talk · contribs) 14:26, 8 October 2007 (EDT)

Hmmm, I would have assumed that their name would have something to do with 'Yoshi' in it, due to thier resemblence with the yoshi eggs. But I honestly don't know. - Scruffy 08:26, 2 October 2008 (GMT)

Anyone else think they look like the koopa on Koopa_Troopa_Beach? Also, I have the offical Brady games guide somewhere, if I find it I'll see if it has a name. --Turkishcoffee 05:57, 6 April 2010 (EDT)

Relation to Troopas

Much like I've noted with Koopeleon and Electro-Koopa, the Japanese name on this would lead one to believe that these aren't their own major species of Koopa, but a variant of Troopa. Given this game had some insane variants, while Bob-omb didn't even have the same Japanese name, it wouldn't surprise me if that were the intent. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 00:51, 20 October 2017 (EDT)

Looks like this has been addressed a while ago, but clarifying for future reference that Bob-omb technically has the same Japanese name, just a different model name (despite the actual folder being a transliteration of the Japanese name, and BradyGames basing their name on that internal one). LinkTheLefty (talk) 07:25, December 10, 2019 (EST)

Tamanoko

I expect this to be an unpopular notion, but should Snooza Koopa be retitled Tamanoko? After all, Tamanoko is the most common name that appeared in a least three official English guides, even including the Prima guide which is also the only valid source for Snooza Koopa. Prima Games implicitly has priority over the Versus Books and BradyGames guides, but it still has both names. The same may go for Klamber, which is commonly called Yellow Spider. LinkTheLefty (talk) 07:25, December 10, 2019 (EST)

I don't agree at all. Just because a Japanese romanization from a filename comes from Guides with higher Priority doesn't mean it should be moved. See the large Electro-Koopa settled thing. It's like prioritizing Petapeta's file name over its Japanese name, or prioritizing Punching Kinoko to what we currently have. -- FanOfYoshi 08:26, December 10, 2019 (EST)

The fact that it originated as a filename is incidental (in fact, Wire Trap from the same game directly comes from a filename, and several others like Orange Juice Generator are clearly derivative as well); the point being made here is that Tamanoko is referenced by the most sources, including the same source that contained Snooza Koopa in the first place, and policy is that we prioritize the "most commonly used" name, which would technically be Tamanoko. I'd liken the situation more to the majority of the official Super Mario Land enemy names being literal. Also, while some can say that Snooza Koopa sounds more self-explanatory in English, it sounds to me more like it could be another name for the green Electro-Koopa / Huge Red Electrokoopa, which may be why the same page in the Prima guide used both names (i.e. the name meant for the latter was instead given to the former but the editor forgot to replace every instance). LinkTheLefty (talk) 10:02, December 10, 2019 (EST)

Unlike the Super Mario Land enemies, it does have an actually English name, so i'd say they're the exception here. -- FanOfYoshi 10:06, December 10, 2019 (EST)

what. Source priority puts Prima names above filenames. Moving this would go against policy. TheDarkStar 10:25, December 10, 2019 (EST)

You misunderstand. Tamanoko is also in the Versus Books, BradyGames, and even the Prima Games guide (on the same exact page as Snooza Koopa no less, under Kid Sunflower); Snooza Koopa only appears in the latter and is therefore the less common reference, so this suggestion would actually go with policy. Policy also doesn't specify Prima's priority over other licensed guides, only that concurrent Nintendo Power guides have priority over Prima, which was broken with Klamber via proposal. Klamber is in the same boat, with all of these guides referring to it as Yellow Spider but only the Prima guide also calling it Klamber. Hope that explains it. LinkTheLefty (talk) 10:39, December 10, 2019 (EST)

Given that we also have source priority exceptions, it would still be better off with a proposal, while making it perfectly clear that "Tamanoko" is also a name coming from an English guide. ^(T|C) 10:58, December 10, 2019 (EST)

I think we should make a counterproposal on the source priority exception at this point. -- FanOfYoshi 12:31, December 10, 2019 (EST)

I think you mean to make an addendum to source priority exception, because this would be following protocol, not making an exception. LinkTheLefty (talk) 12:38, December 10, 2019 (EST)

Yeah, pretty much. -- FanOfYoshi 12:43, December 10, 2019 (EST)

This is such a specific issue involving strategy guides that aren't Nintendo Power or Prima Games that a proposal doesn't have to be related to priority exception though. LinkTheLefty (talk) 13:07, December 10, 2019 (EST)

I see it this way: The PRIMA games guide listed an actual English-based translation, and then inadvertently forgot to translate the second (and perhaps further) time, leading to a transliteration additionally appearing. The other guides are lesser-priority anyways, and as such are inconsequential. This to me seems more like how Goomba was at one part called "Kuribo" in SMB3 or how Ted Woosley transliterated "Nokonoko" to "Noknok" instead of translating to "Koopa Troopa," while using "Troopa" in unrelated contexts. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 16:43, December 10, 2019 (EST)

Which is why I say there needs to be a proposal on this first. ^(T|C) 17:53, December 10, 2019 (EST)

Should we make the proposal on to either stop making exception, or make an addendum before, during, or after this gets a proposal? -- FanOfYoshi 12:10, December 12, 2019 (EST)

Since he removed the talk, he's dropping the issue. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 15:20, December 12, 2019 (EST)