Talk:Big Lantern Ghost

Split Big Lantern Ghost and Mega Kantera

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Ok, this is different from Raphael the Raven and Giant Raven as these one are different eachother and unlike both the Giant Raven and Raphael the Raven, they have some differences eachother. The one from Paper Mario's Japanese name is Big Kantera-Kun while the one from Yoshi's New Island's Japanese name is Mega Kantera. There are physical differences too, as the one from Paper Mario has a bandage, is roughly the same size as the mettalic Lantern Ghost, and has a different Lantern.

Proposer: FanOfYoshi (talk)
Deadline: November 21, 2018, 23:59 GMT

Support

1. FanOfYoshi (talk) Per proposal.
2. Waluigi Time (talk) Seems strange that these were considered the same character in the first place.
3. Doomhiker (talk) Per all.
4. 7feetunder (talk) This seems like a similar scenario to Aqua Kuribō and Goomdiver; same concept, but they come from completely different series, have a rather large time gap in between their appearances, their Japanese names are different, and only one of them has a confirmed English name.
5. Niiue (talk) Per all.
6. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) Per 7feetunder. With cases like Big Boo, they were common enough already to be definitively based off of one another. This seems more like the Ice Snifit case from a while ago.
7. WeirdDave13 (talk) Per all
8. bwburke94 (talk) Per all.

Oppose

1. LinkTheLefty (talk) The only substantial difference between the two is that one is a boss and the other is an enemy; other than that, the Japanese isn't a great thing to look to in this case since the names for the differently-sized enemy variants are known to be inconsistent (case in point: Big Boo).

Comments

Yes Waluigi, for once, you support a proposal i make. -- FanOfYoshi at 13:00, 7 November 2018 (EST)

It would be rather clunky to leave them merged. -- FanOfYoshi at 13:29, 7 November 2018 (EST)

@Link, the Super Mario Manga Adventures text translated to he as shown in the article, while the enemy is it. -- FanOfYoshi at 14:36, 7 November 2018 (EST)

Gender-specific third-person pronouns aren't required in Japanese; in fact, it's fairly rare and seems to be a relatively recent development. The English translation of Paper Mario does use "he" for the Big Lantern Ghost, but it was likely referred to with usual gender-neutral language in the Japanese text. LinkTheLefty (talk) 14:59, 7 November 2018 (EST)

Ah, for your question "no one seemed interested in splitting" on Flamer Guys and Pyro Guys, i'm a little bit interested. -- FanOfYoshi at 15:05, 7 November 2018 (EST)

Ps: But not as much as splitting Big Lantern Ghost and Mega Kantera. -- FanOfYoshi at 15:12, 7 November 2018 (EST)

And how did i forgot the TPP template, and proposer and deadline? Thanks Alex95 to have putted it. -- FanOfYoshi at 13:42, 8 November 2018 (EST)

@7feetunder, i think the similarity between the two enemies you cited is quite coincidental, much like those Big Lantern Ghost. -- FanOfYoshi at 02:36, 9 November 2018 (EST)

@Link, well, it's different enough from Giant Raven and Raphael the Raven. -- FanOfYoshi at 09:15, 9 November 2018 (EST)

It's more different than that; in that in that case, they were in the same series and the latter-created one was clearly based off of the former. This is more like Ice Snifit. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 15:51, 9 November 2018 (EST)

@Schmeltwick, so i need to be fast enough to split both, right? -- FanOfYoshi at 12:28, 10 November 2018 (EST)

I don't know what you mean. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 13:38, 10 November 2018 (EST)

See Huffin Puffin? Well, i splitted it, and i was the proposer. The Ice Snifit proposal got split by 7feetunder. -- FanOfYoshi at 13:40, 10 November 2018 (EST)

Oh. Well it doesn't really matter who does it, as long as it gets done. Doc von Schmeltwick (talk) 13:41, 10 November 2018 (EST)

I don't see the problem if it's me or someone else who splits them. -- FanOfYoshi at 10:22, 14 November 2018 (EST)

Regarding Flamer/Pyro Guy, I think it would be wise to at least wait until Yoshi's Crafted World possibly presents new information that might either support the earlier Ice Snifit split or vindicate keeping those and similar subjects (like the Spear Dancer/Guy from Paper Mario) together. LinkTheLefty (talk) 04:55, 19 November 2018 (EST)

I think the name "Jungle Guy" is from Paper Mario. And in the Ice Snifit proposal, i saw you said that splitting both Ice Snifits would make us splitting Flamer Guys from Pyro Guys and Jungle Guys from Spear Guys. The Spear Guys in Paper Mario's appearance are slightly different from the main series. They lack the shield and white and red feathers on the spear much like a Dancing Spear Guy. The Japanese names between a normal Spear Guy and Dancing Spear Guy are unrelated, but what's the Yoshi's New Island internal filenames for both Spear Guy and Dancing Spear Guy? I will use dolphin emulator soon. And for your informations, Clawdaddies had a different design in Yoshi's Woolly World because it makes it appear to choose another pincher when it's ready to attack Yoshi. -- FanOfYoshi at 06:46, 19 November 2018 (EST)