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==[[Ridley]] Proposal Extended...==
My bad dude...
{{User:Phoenix/sig}} 14:05, 4 March 2011 (EST)
:<nowiki>*dudette</nowiki>
:But anyway, it's no problem; we haven't had an extension in months, so there was nothing for you to go on: I don't think it says to show the extension in the rules (it's just an unwritten style thing). - [[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] 14:13, 4 March 2011 (EST)

Okay, cool...um, I have another question (I know, big surprise, right? :D), can u just make a new category on anything u think there should be a category about?

{{User:Phoenix/sig}} 00:17, 5 March 2011 (EST)

:Depends on the type of category. If there's only a few pages that would go in it, it's probably not a good idea; other than that, it'll probably be allowed, but I can't say for certain without knowing any specifics - it's not a subject that lends itself to generalities. Why, are you thinking of making a couple categories? - [[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] 00:27, 5 March 2011 (EST)

Yeah, I was thinking one for Books, and one for Giant Creatures...

{{User:Phoenix/sig}} 00:30, 5 March 2011 (EST)
:We've actually decided to use [[:Category:Publications]], rather than {{fake link|Category:Books}} around the wiki (we used to have a "books" category, but it was deleted in 2009). IIRC, "Publications" was chosen because it avoids the possible confusion about whether the category is talking about in-universe books or actual RL books, and it incorporates a broader range of things (i.e. comics, compilations of comics, magazines), which makes it more useful as a navigation tool. I can see where you're coming from with the Giant Creatures category, but you'd have to be really specific (i.e. it's "giant" forms of standard enemies, rather than large creatures in general, since that would probably be considered unnecessary), and even then, it might not be accepted. You might want to consult another Sysop before making such a category. - [[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] 00:50, 5 March 2011 (EST)

Yeah, see what I was talking about was in-universe books, but I was only able to find [[Light Prognosticus|f]][[Dark Prognosticus|o]][[Rosalina's Storybook|u]][[Miracle Book|r]] books that would fit into that category, though I'm sure there are more, 'cuz there's tons of ''[[Mario (franchise)|Mario]]'' games I've never even played before... :)

{{User:Phoenix/sig}} 01:06, 5 March 2011 (EST)

:I actually doubt that there's enough in-universe books to justify making an entire category for them. - [[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] 01:15, 5 March 2011 (EST)

Good point...

{{User:Phoenix/sig}} 01:27, 5 March 2011 (EST)

==Hello Again==
:Its me DKC2 King Liam with a different username. Hows stuff going? {{user:Kaptain K. Rool/sig}}
::"school keeps me too busy for social calls" - [[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] 15:19, 6 March 2011 (EST)
:::Um... you are online. Can you explain what you mean? {{User:Kaptain K. Rool/sig}}
::::School keeps me busy a lot, so when I do make it online, I want to do work, not waste my time chit-chatting. - [[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] 15:22, 6 March 2011 (EST)

=="Title Screen" stuff==
No offense, obviously, but the person who's been uploading screenshots of title screens has been doing so very frequently as compared to the majority of screenshots we have of actual gameplay. I did tell the person in question that in the future to not just upload title screens alone for that doesn't do the articles in the mainspace justice. --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! [[User:MeritC|User Page]] | [[User_talk:MeritC|Talk Page]] 12:58, 7 March 2011 (EST)
:But I don't see ''why'' title screens "don't do the articles" justice. Sure they don't show gameplay, but they ''do'' show a perfectly valid (and interesting, imho) aspect of the game. What's the harm? - [[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] 13:14, 7 March 2011 (EST)

==What now...?==
So now that [[Talk:Ridley#Split Ridley into Ridley and Meta Ridley|this]] has already been extended an extra week, is it still considered to be a tie, or not?

{{User:Phoenix/sig}} 01:33, 11 March 2011 (EST)

:It gets extended for ''another'' week. If it's still tied by the end of the 17th, it'll have to be extended ''again'' (and again, and again, and again until a consensus is reached). - [[user:Walkazo|Walkazo]] 01:39, 11 March 2011 (EST)

Omg! I'm almost starting to wish I hadn't proposed it in the first place... :D

{{User:Phoenix/sig}} 01:45, 11 March 2011 (EST)

==Birdo^_^==
Hiya Walkazo, what's wrong with my recent edit on Bido's article?? =0 {{User:Birdo beauties/sig}} I'm not lying  =/
:Your observation may be valid, but the specifics of how she runs isn't really important to the reader's understanding of Birdo, and it breaks up the flow of the paragraph, which is focusing on her personality (running around and waving her arms from side to side doesn't exactly invoke the idea of her exuding beauty). - [[user:Walkazo|Walkazo]] 19:03, 13 March 2011 (EDT)

You're right, I just thought for a moment that this form of running could show up a part of her personality. Because every character runs in a different way and I think that shows their personality. e.g. Bowser, Mario, Birdo, Peach and Yoshi.{{User:Birdo beauties/sig}} =/

=={{tem|personal-image}}==
You've <s>recently</s> 2 years ago protected the [[Template:Personal-image]]. You see, the idea of "This '''image''' belongs to blablabla, etc." is incorrect. For example, if someone wants to upload audio file (*.ogg), he can't place this template because there's that "image" thing. Can you edit this so it says "This file belongs to blablabla, etc."? {{User:SWFlash/Sig}}
:But the ''entire'' template is about images, not just that one line: altering that first use of "file" won't change the fact that a personal ''image'' template is being used on a completely different form of media. I can see the wisdom of counting personal image and audio files together, but right now, the entire system of organization is not set up to do that. You should suggest adding a line about audio files to [[MarioWiki:Personal images]] on its talk page if you ''really'' want to change things, but I don't really see the point. Does anyone even ''have'' a personal audio file? Would anyone ever ''want'' one? Most of the time, users can just embed a YouTube video to share songs/themes they like, and frankly, it's preferable that they do that, instead of uploading a song themselves (saving on server space, and whatnot). - [[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] 18:53, 13 March 2011 (EDT)

==Double [[King Boo]]s?==
Hey, so, I was just wondering, is there a reason that the [[File:King Boo Artwork MSS.png|100px]] [[King Boo]] article is completely separate from the[[File:KingbooSunshine.jpg|100px]] [[King Boo (Super Mario Sunshine)]] article? I mean, they seem to be the exact same creature, just with a different appearance between games. Like, if you take away their crowns, then they're basically just this:[[File:NSMBW Boo Artwork.png|100px]]and this:[[File:SMS Boo Artwork.jpg|100px]], right? What I'm trying to say is that, if you omit the fact that they're kings, underneath they're really just large [[Boo]]s, and despite their different appearance, both of the above Boos in the second set of pictures are classified as the same creature on the same article, just with a different appearance in different games.

{{User:Phoenix/sig}} 07:47, 16 March 2011 (EDT)

:It's explained [[Talk:King Boo#Split Super Mario Sunshine section to King Boo (Super Mario Sunshine)|here]]. Basically, they're different in Japan and the translators changed that for no good reason ([[Talk:Yo'ster Isle|not the first time this has happened]]), so we decided to go with the original idea and split them. The point about Boos in general being redesigned for ''SMS'' is interesting, but it's probably not good enough to outweigh the name-based decision, and the idea that "they're just big Boos who are kings" is redundant because everything is ''just'' a member of its species if you take away whatever happens to make it special. - [[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] 22:24, 16 March 2011 (EDT)

::Ahhh, I see...

{{User:Phoenix/sig}} 00:55, 17 March 2011 (EDT)

==Question==
I was wondering if when you said you didn't want any help removing the spoiler templates, did that mean you wanted people not to help you or you weren't going to ask people to help you. I would like to help if you don't mind people helping you, because I don't make a large enough percentage of mainspace edits, and want to come up with ways to contribute. [[User Talk:Bop1996|Geekiness is an end, not a means -]] [[User:Bop1996|Bop1996]] 16:29, 20 March 2011 (EDT)
:Well, I'm not going to get angry and tell people to ''stop'' if they start taking down Spoiler templates, or anything, but I'm definitely not soliciting help. I feel very strongly about getting rid of these things, and after years of begrudgingly putting up with them, I'm really looking forward to removing them with my own two hands - or at least be the one who takes the most down. I don't want to go away to eat dinner on Saturday, come back an hour later and find it's all been done for me by a bunch of folks who just want higher edit counts (of course, that's an extreme example). Also, sometimes a bunch of people trying to do the same maintenance work can backfire: if we're all using WhatLinksHere, we might keep getting edit conflicts as we tackle the same pages at the top of the list, for example. It's good that you want to help, and you can if you really want to, but you should try thinking of your own projects to improve the wiki. I sometimes rustle up maintenance work by choosing a game and then going around to all the pages linked in its navigation template looking for little things that I can fix, like removing unnecessary spaces in the headers, infoboxes and categories; or, I simply choose a template itself to "follow around" the wiki. - [[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] 17:23, 20 March 2011 (EDT)
::Alright, I won't begrudge you the chance to get rid of those ugly templates. I actually do have an idea for a project, I'm just waiting on comments. I already asked Edofenrir this question and he said that while he thought it was a good idea, he wasn't really the person to ask. Here is the question:
I have noticed that we aren't very consistent when linking to other NIWA sites on SSB articles and the like. I find this a little odd, because, for example, we have an article on [[Link]], which deals very well with all his appearances in Mario and SSB games, and gives enough info for someone else to understand a bit about him, but let's say that someone on this site finds Link an interesting character, and would like to know more about him. Instead of him having to ask or be told by another user that there is a better article on Link on the Zelda Wiki, wouldn't it be better to link (pun not intended) to the featured article on Link on Zelda Wiki, which would tell any user all about him? The same applies to, say, Samus, Pikachu, and Kirby, I'm sure the articles on their respective wikis would be a good thing to link people to if they want more information. If it is a good idea, I have a few other questions. Is putting the information on something I should create a pipe project for, or something I need to make a proposal about, or something I should just do myself? (I don't think  I can do that) <br>
Do you have an answer? [[User Talk:Bop1996|Geekiness is an end, not a means -]] [[User:Bop1996|Bop1996]] 20:22, 20 March 2011 (EDT)
:Yeah, we definitely need to be more consistent and upfront with our links to the other wikis. Some pages have links to NIWA in sections at the bottom, but I don't think that's good enough. The {{tem|Main}} templates in the SSB sections is probably enough to get folks to SmashWiki, and I'd say adding Main to the tops of the non-''Mario'' pages linking to ZeldaWiki or whatever would the simplest way to go about getting folks to those other wikis too. (Things that are merely embedded in list pages can just have the other wikis linked to in their name, like our list of [[Pokémon]]: Main wouldn't work in these situations.) Since nothing is really being changed about the pages, you'd probably only need a PipeProject, and not a Proposal, but you never know: people can be weird about inter-wiki stuff like this sometimes... One thing's for sure, for anything more ambitious in regards to these pages' layouts, you should definitely seek community approval first. - [[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] 00:03, 21 March 2011 (EDT)
::Sorry about this and I ''really'' hate butting in on other people's conversations but I was just passing through and I realized that before linking such things, we should create a policy page demonstrating the standards for such linking (MarioWiki:Linking to Affiliates?). Otherwise it will be hectic with users creating inconsistencies between articles because they can't decide on one format. We already made this mistake with the FA archiving process; we didn't set it into stone and it collapsed. Once again, sorry for intruding on your conversation Walkazo but I just had to say that; now we return to your regularly-scheduled <s>program</s> conversation {{User|Marioguy1}}
:::<s>'''@Marioguy:''' That's why I asked this question, just look at the sticker section for Link, and you'll see that two of the games the stickers are from have links, and the other two do not. We link to ZW:Hyrule, but not to the Zelda Wiki page for Link. Am I even allowed to make a policy like that?
:::'''@Walkazo:''' Thank you for answering, I think I'll create a proposal soon asking for a clear policy on inter-wiki linking, unless the Sysops/Admins decide to make a policy first.</s> <br>
Changed my mind, the last question made no sense. Alright, here is the new question. Do the Sysops need to discuss making a policy first, and then add links accordingly, or do I need to create a proposal asking for one clear standard? [[User Talk:Bop1996|Geekiness is an end, not a means -]] [[User:Bop1996|Bop1996]] 18:41, 21 March 2011 (EDT)
:SMB brought the issue onto the Admin board on the forum after seeing the message you left him, and we're currently discussing possible ways to regulate it. Unless you have a specific idea, making a proposal simply saying "we need a clear standard of some sort" won't be of much use, but you can always contribute by telling me your ideas, and I'll pass them along to the others to take into consideration. And if/when we come up with a policy and links have to be added, you can definitely help with that. And if you draft your own policy on your own before we come up with anything publishable, feel free to make a proposal to make it official: Users contribute to Wiki policy all the time. - [[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] 19:18, 21 March 2011 (EDT)
::Alright, thanks for answering, and I'll be checking the sitenotice. (Unless, by some miracle, I get enough inspiration to write a coherent draft of a policy) In the meantime, I'll be looking around for mistakes to fix and articles to unstubify. [[User Talk:Bop1996|Geekiness is an end, not a means -]] [[User:Bop1996|Bop1996]] 19:53, 21 March 2011 (EDT) 

==Help here==
Am I being too hard on this user [http://www.mariowiki.com/User_talk:Joshua_McCoy#Last_Warning]? I just got done showing his contributions to the wiki and I said that if he does this again, he'll be blocked indefinitely per ruling of administrators. Chris Helper [[User_talk:Chris Helper|Got something to say? Put it on my talk page!]] [[Special:Contributions/Chris Helper|See how much editing I did to the wiki.]] 22:36, 20 March 2011 (EDT)
:You weren't too hard on him, but you should really leave chastising like that to the Sysops, rather than speaking on our behalf. Users can give out official warnings and such, no problem, but informal messages like that aren't really professional... - [[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] 23:11, 20 March 2011 (EDT)


yeah i want to add a proposal to re create the big guys and giant ninjis articles but im confused as to how i would go about doing that [[User:Iggykoopa]]
:Just make a new TPP on [[Talk:Big Ninji|Talk:Giant Ninji]]. There's always been discussion about the pros and cons of having separate articles on that page, so it'll be best to put the new discussion there too. The rules for TPPs are on [[MarioWiki:Proposals]], and you can also look at a current TPP to get a good idea of what to do formatting-wise. - [[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] 18:47, 30 March 2011 (EDT)

==Re:Links==
Oh. I'm sorry. I didn't know that was a rule. And I thought that the links looks bad since the 's part isn't blue with the link like you would with something like [[Goomba]]s. Sorry for doing that.:/--{{User:UltraMario3000/sig}}

==My Monobook skin==
:You got to test it out. It is so kewl! 8D {{User:Kaptain K. Rool/sig}}

==Good call==
I know this is kind of your victory, but wow, it just looks so much clearer around here without those stupid spoiler templates everywhere anymore! :D

{{User:Phoenix/sig}} 01:45, 28 March 2011 (EDT)

:Thanks! Removing them made me happy: best maintenance project ''ever''. XD - [[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] 10:23, 28 March 2011 (EDT)
::That's a great idea! I helped, too![[User:Reddragon19k|Reddragon19k]] 10:25, 28 March 2011 (EDT)

=="Don't ''quote'' me on this..." (as I told [[User:Mario jc|him]], I'm a wordplay weirdo)==
Anyway...so when you have a box at the top of an article the quote ''is'' always supposed to go under it? Or does it sometimes go above?

{{User:Phoenix/sig}} 19:57, 28 March 2011 (EDT)

:It always goes under: that makes it show up beside the infobox or image, cutting down on negative space. I don't think there's a ''rule'' about it, but a lot of stylistic things like that are unwritten. - [[user:Walkazo|Walkazo]] 20:00, 28 March 2011 (EDT)

::Fudge...that means I gotta lotta work to do...well, better get started! :)

{{User:Phoenix/sig}} 20:10, 28 March 2011 (EDT)

==Koopalings Question==
If you look at my contribs or the history, I'm the one who made ten or so edits to their separate pages. My main issue is that there is little information in the Mario and Luigi: Superstar Saga section, so I'm wondering if adding the Rewrite-expand template on those sections was a good idea. Also, the navigation templates at the bottom were in a different order on each Koopaling, what is the best order so I can fix all of them? [[User Talk:Bop1996|Geekiness is an end, not a means -]] [[User:Bop1996|Bop1996]] 21:26, 30 March 2011 (EDT)
:The Koopalings had really small roles in ''M&L:SS'', so I don't think the sections actually ''can'' be expanded all that much. More battle details can be added, and such, but I think the templates are overkill. As for the nav templates, put the appearance-based ones in chronological order (i.e. ''SMB3'' first, then the TV shows, then ''SMW'', ''HM'' and finally ''NSMB Wii''), with any other templates going on the bottom. It's not official, but I think that order would make the most sense, and the last bit isn't just me talking: it's based on a conversation a bunch of us had a while ago (I don't remember exactly where, when or who was involved, tho). - [[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] 21:44, 30 March 2011 (EDT)
::Alright, I'll remove the templates then. Does that mean remove the template for the whole page to be expanded on Roy's and Wendy's pages too? [[User Talk:Bop1996|Geekiness is an end, not a means -]] [[User:Bop1996|Bop1996]] 07:37, 31 March 2011 (EDT)
:::I took the one off Wendy's page, since it seemed pretty expanded already; I also moved the template on Larry's page to the ''SMW'' TV show section, since it's pretty good overall as well (but compared to the in-depth ''TAoSMB3'' coverage, the ''SMW'' bit is a bit lacking). The rewrite-expand template seems a little out of place in Roy's quote section, seeing as no ''rewriting'' actually has to happen: {{tem|stub}} might be better choice. - [[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] 13:46, 31 March 2011 (EDT)
::::Does that mean it's okay to replace the template on Roy's page with stub? Also, (why do I always have a new question?) is there a nav template for ''Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island''? If not, why not? [[User Talk:Bop1996|Geekiness is an end, not a means -]] [[User:Bop1996|Bop1996]] 20:23, 31 March 2011 (EDT)
:::::Yes: I ''want'' you to replace it (if you didn't, I'd do it myself). Hmm, actually, no, there isn't. There's {{tem|YoshiLevels}} (self-explanatory), and {{tem|Yoshi}}, which mashes all the ''Yoshi'' games' enemies together. There is no good reason for why there is no ''SMW2:YI'' template: I guess no one with the know-how or patience to make a nav template has noticed it until now. You can make one if you want (formatted like {{tem|Yoshi's Island DS}}, but perhaps with "Characters" instead of "Babies", so Kamek and the Stork can be included), although I'd be happy to do it if you don't want to. - [[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] 09:59, 1 April 2011 (EDT)
::::::I replaced the template on Roy's page. I'm going to attempt to make the nav template, it's on my [[User:Bop1996/Work|work page]], and I don't mind if a sysop edits it, because I'm not perfect (although I will fix any mistakes brought to my attention before I actually make it official). [[User Talk:Bop1996|Geekiness is an end, not a means -]] [[User:Bop1996|Bop1996]] 13:26, 1 April 2011 (EDT)
:::::::It looks good so far! - [[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] 14:55, 1 April 2011 (EDT)
::::::::Thanks, my only issue thus far is what qualifies as an item or object, and how to classify the enemies. I could just wing it, but I'd prefer to have a guideline. [[User Talk:Bop1996|Geekiness is an end, not a means -]] [[User:Bop1996|Bop1996]] 15:08, 1 April 2011 (EDT)
:::::::::I'd just have one "Items & Objects" row if I were you, like the ''YIDS'' template. I also think the ''YIDS'' enemies are classified like that because they were in an in-game museum, but I don't recall ''SMW2:YI'' having such a feature (but I could be wrong). Whatever you do, don't wing it: a purely alphabetical list is still better than speculation. - [[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] 15:55, 1 April 2011 (EDT)
::::::::::I finished the test template. I left the enemies alphabetical as you suggested. If the template is presentable, I don't know the best way to get it into a template article... which articles would I add the template to? [[User Talk:Bop1996|Geekiness is an end, not a means -]] [[User:Bop1996|Bop1996]] 16:39, 1 April 2011 (EDT)
:The template looks great. If by "I don't know the best way to get it into a template article", you're asking how to make it an actual template, just choose a descriptive name (such as [[Template:YI|Template:Yoshi's Island]], or some other simply and descriptive name), type it into the search bar, and click the red link it provides you with (or, if you want to use the name I suggested, just click on the red link here). Once the template is made, simply add it to every article that's linked to by the template itself. - [[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] 19:27, 1 April 2011 (EDT)
::Alright, the template page is up. Thanks for your help, now I have to add the template to 100 pages or so. Enough to keep me busy for a while. Thanks again! [[User Talk:Bop1996|Geekiness is an end, not a means -]] [[User:Bop1996|Bop1996]] 19:50, 1 April 2011 (EDT)
:::Awesome. And you're welcome: I'm happy to help. - [[user:Walkazo|Walkazo]] 19:57, 1 April 2011 (EDT)

==[[Cosmic Spirit]] quote==
Okay, I know you're not supposed to go against what a sysop says (and btw I'm really not trying to be a pain in the ___ by messaging you like every other day), but if you would be so kind, could you please explain to me why we don't need a quote for the [[Cosmic Spirit]] article?

{{User:Phoenix/sig}} 01:34, 31 March 2011 (EDT)

:Often, people put quotations on pages just for the sake of the page having a quotation, but they don't really add anything to the article, so we remove them. However, I think the Cosmic Spirit quote is perfectly appropriate for that article (it's actually her speaking, not some random Joe commenting on something, and it's pretty illustrative of what she does and what her mannerisms are like), so I put it back up. - [[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] 13:46, 31 March 2011 (EDT)

Thank you.

{{User:Phoenix/sig}} 18:40, 31 March 2011 (EDT)

==Proposal voting==
Hi. Could we maybe add a rule to the TPP page that says that any votes cast for a proposal that are deleted before the voting time starts get automatically added back in after the voting time starts? It seems like proposals can lose a lot of potentially helpful votes this way (I'm not just saying this for me, I'm talking about everyone who this has happened to).

{{User:Phoenix/sig}} 19:30, 7 April 2011 (EDT)

:TPPs don't have voting delays: people can vote immediately. As for the main Proposals, no. Putting the votes back sorta defeats the purpose of saying they can't be made in the first place, and it punishes the people who actually paid attention to the rule and knew to remove the early votes (since they'd have to remember whose votes they removed, and come back and re-add them). People should just learn the rules and vote when they're supposed to: it's not rocket science. Alternatively, you could make a proposal to get rid of the voting delay altogether. - [[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] 19:35, 7 April 2011 (EDT)

::Funny you should say that; I had already thought about doing that... :) If you don't mind my asking, why is there a delay anyway?

{{User:Phoenix/sig}} 19:39, 7 April 2011 (EDT)

:::[[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive_19#24-Hour_Delay_Before_Voting_on_Proposals|Here's the proposal  that created the delay.]] In those days, it made sense to have a delay since the nature of proposals was a bit different, I think: a lot of the time, people would simply flock to the support of a proposal just because its proposer was one of the "usual suspects" (one of us folks who hung out on the proposals page all the time; most of us were Sysops or long-time users, and it was pretty much accepted that we all knew what we were talking about, which is why people would automatically per us without worry (I generally wasn't the one making proposals, mind you: I was just a spoiler at best, or one of the "per"-''ing'' people, typically)). Usually, that was fine, and if there ''was'' a flaw in their idea, one of the other usual suspects would point it out and a fierce battle would ensue. However, if one of us didn't notice the flaw until a couple days into a proposal, it could be too late: most of the people had already voted, and turning the tides when a proposal already had a dozen support votes would be hopeless. The delay gave late-comers a better chance of getting their voices heard before the landslide of votes; going the other way, it gave a flawed proposal more time to be salvaged before everyone voted against it. I vaguely recall being frustrated a couple times over minor issues, but I don't remember any ''bad'' proposals getting through that way; however, I have a bad memory, so maybe some damage ''was'' done - I'm sure Time Q had a good reason for proposing it. These days, there aren't really "usual suspects" who everyone reverently flocks behind; there are still a bunch of us who vote on most things and get "per"d a lot as a result, but it's not the same. There's also more people overall: more folks pass through during the first 24 hours, meaning flaws will almost certainly be found by ''someone'' right away, and a lot more people wander in and vote throughout the week too, so an early lead isn't the end of the world for the other team. Also, keep in mind that I sorta view those older days of the proposals through rose-coloured glasses, so my depiction here might be a bit romanticized and idealized... - [[user:Walkazo|Walkazo]] 21:05, 7 April 2011 (EDT)

::::Okay, that all makes sense, but after reading [[User:Time Q|Time Q]]'s argument, my only question is: "Why doesn't this same policy, then, apply to Talk Page Proposals as well?" Or is it just because mainspace proposals are usually more important than Talk Page Proposals, or deal with a larger portion of the Wiki and therefore have the potential to create a greater impact as a result? And, I really hope this doesn't sound rude, but as a sysop, if you view the policy to be obsolete, why not simply abolish it yourself?

{{User:Phoenix/sig}} 05:01, 8 April 2011 (EDT)

:::::Talk Page Proposals go on for a while, and their off-site location means it's always more likely that people will wander in and vote at their leisure (it's not like they're staring you in the face on the main proposals page, ''demanding'' attention), so the first 24 hours were never really a make-or-break period of time for them. And, since the TPPs are more minor and straightforward, they generally don't need last-minute amendments. Not having the delay also makes the TPPs simpler, and simple is good. Looking at the history, [http://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=MarioWiki%3AProposals&action=historysubmit&diff=722276&oldid=722271 I was the one who removed the delay for TPPs]; that was probably based on a discussion held elsewhere, but I can't actually remember it anymore and have no idea where it could be (besides possibly the admin discussion board on the forum), so I'm afraid I can't look it up for you. As for why <u>I</u> don't just remove the rule, that's beyond my powers: I can rewrite rules to make them clearer, but I need to confer with the other Sysops before completely changing, adding or removing anything (otherwise, another admin might come along and make a stink; it's happened to me before, and I'd rather it not happen again). People also might call it power abuse, even if the rule ''is'' obsolete and won't be missed, and I'd just be saving everyone the trouble of a full-on proposal (needless to say, if I didn't think the community would vote in favour of it, I wouldn't even consider taking any action myself: that ''would'' be abuse). Long story short, it's just better to go by the book with things like this. (And don't worry, your question wasn't rude.) - [[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] 11:03, 8 April 2011 (EDT)

::::::Okay, I'm really sorry to keep asking you more questions like this, but even if you couldn't get rid of it yourself, couldn't you still make a proposal about it like you did with the spoiler templates...? I mean, like you said, people would most likely be more fervent to support someone like yourself, as opposed to a regular user like me. 

{{User:Phoenix/sig}} 22:47, 8 April 2011 (EDT)

:::::::User-made proposals have just as much sway as those made by Sysops: what matters is the idea, not the person proposing it. While well-known folks might get the benefit of the doubt a lot of the time (in the past, at any rate: I'm not actually sure if it still works like that these days), if a fresh face makes a suggestion it's not like we're ''not'' going to support them if the idea is still good. While I ''could'' make the proposal, I'm sure you could too, and either way, the outcome would be the same. - [[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] 13:05, 9 April 2011 (EDT)

==Trivia incorrect==
Uhhh..  It's [[User:yoshiegg]], could you instead type the trivia about the one you replaced or deleted into a better one? You'll understand if you get sucked into the painting before the last battle.. Try to look at the YouTube vids about luigi's mansion... Thanks and sorry for my bad grammar or stuff....
:When I come across grammatically incorrect content, I generally try to rewrite it, but I'm afraid I don't have time to actually go and do research over a single piece of Trivia. The ''M&L:BIS'' parallel might be worth mentioning (although we generally don't like extensive amounts of Trivia on our articles), but I can't write it for you. - [[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] 13:05, 9 April 2011 (EDT)

==Rosalina'sSoulMate==
As you know, this user is blocked, but I noticed earlier that he/she voted to support [[Mario Sports Mix]]'s nomination for Featured status. I was wondering if the user's vote is still considered valid. Thank you for your time. {{User:Mario4Ever/Sig}} 02:15, 10 April 2011 (EDT)
:It's still valid, as far as I know. We've let other blocked users' votes stay up on proposals in the past. - [[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] 15:55, 10 April 2011 (EDT)
::Sorry for intruding, but I would like to point out that I have seen most blocked users' votes and even their proposals deleted, such as NARCE's two proposals in Proposal Archive 22. --[[User:Reversinator|Reversinator]] 16:05, 10 April 2011 (EDT)
:::Blocked proposers get their proposals deleted because they can't complete them (it's an extension of Rule 10). Were the people whose votes were removed blocked indefinitely? I was just basing my assessment on the most recent example I saw, in which a temporarily blocked user's votes weren't removed from some TPPs. - [[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] 16:18, 10 April 2011 (EDT)

<s>==My block was unfair==
:Listen Walkazo. Coincollector didn't block me for asking so why did you? I am officially leaving here maybe forever... {{User:Kaptain K. Rool/sig}}</s>
:Ignore my comment. I didn't mean to do it. I was angry with you. I apologize for my disruptiveness. Sorry Walkazo... {{User:Kaptain K. Rool/sig}}

==Question==
Would it be appropriate to make an article called "Tuxie's mother"? If so, tell me and '''I''' will make it!<br>
{{User:DKPetey99/Sig}} 09:16, 14 April 2011 (EDT)

:As long as you can make it not-a-stub right from the get-go, it'd be perfectly appropriate. - [[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] 09:22, 14 April 2011 (EDT)

::Should "mother" be capital? Oh look [[Tuxie's mother|here!]]<br>
{{User:DKPetey99/Sig}} 09:41, 14 April 2011 (EDT)

:::Looks good. The Trivia might even be fine in the body text (with some linking stuff about how she's not about to let her daughter out of her sight again). - [[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] 19:20, 14 April 2011 (EDT)

==Thanks==
Thanks for correcting my mistakes on that proposal.

[[File:DaisyMP8Official.png|50px]][[File:YoshiMP8art.png|50px]][[User:Tails777|Tails777]][[File:Tails Sticker.png|50px]][[File:Toad Artwork - Mario Party 6.png|50px]]

:No problem: just doing my job. - [[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] 19:30, 15 April 2011 (EDT)

==Worldbox==
¡Hola! I wanted to add a "greater location" section to the worldbox template, mainly for use on the seven Worlds from ''[[Super Mario Galaxy 2]]'' (but I suppose it could be used for any other Worlds as well, if applicable), u know, to reference the fact that they are all located within the [[Grand World Map]]...but I saw that apparently [[User:Stooben Rooben|Stooben Rooben]] had removed something like that from the template previously (I'm not exactly sure if it was the same thing though, and if it was, I'm not sure why)...could I please put it back in?

{{User:Phoenix/sig}} 23:40, 15 April 2011 (EDT)

:I'm not the best person to ask about ''SMG'' topics, but if you give me the link to the infobox in question, I'll take a look. - [[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] 23:46, 15 April 2011 (EDT)

::[[Template:World infobox|Here you go]]

{{User:Phoenix/sig}} 23:50, 15 April 2011 (EDT)

:::Well, the problem with adding another row to that template is that ''every'' page with it will then need a "greater location", or they'll look bad (either with blank rows or the colour banding scheme will break, depending on how it's formatted), but it wouldn't actually work for all of them. I don't actually think ''SMG2'' really needs it, for one thing: the Grand World Map isn't a location, it's a map: the location would be more like the universe, but that goes without saying. And then what about things like [[World 2 (New Super Mario Bros.)]] - would it's greater location be the Mushroom World? Also not very vital summary info. It ''would'' make sense for things that ''do'' have specified locations, like the ''DKC'' games (i.e. [[Gloomy Gulch]] is in [[Crocodile Isle]]) or ''SMW'' (everything's in [[Dinosaur Land]] except Yoshi's Island). However, since it's ''not'' universal to the more ambiguous games like ''NSMB'' and ''SMG2'', I feel like it should remain off the template, to keep ''it'' universal. At least for now. - [[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] 00:10, 16 April 2011 (EDT)

::::OK, thank you for your help!

{{User:Phoenix/sig}} 00:13, 16 April 2011 (EDT)


Can you give {{User|Superprincesspeach}} a warning for vandalizing the Swankey Kong article 
{{User|Goomba's Shoe15}}
:You don't need to ask an admin to warn people: regular users can too, as long as there's a valid reason. However, I'm glad you told me about that user, since vandalism like that earns them an instant block. We give out warnings and second chances to folks who actually try to edit, but that person obviously just wanted to cause trouble, so now they're gone. - [[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] 18:04, 17 April 2011 (EDT)

==Pantaro==
:Umm... your brother has aspergers syndrome. Is that true? {{User:Kaptain K. Rool/sig}}
::That's what it says on his userpage, innit? He wouldn't lie about something like that. Why do you even care? He's been retired for years. - [[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] 18:00, 17 April 2011 (EDT)
:::I don't really care. It was just a question you know. {{User:Kaptain K. Rool/sig}}

==Yello thar, stranger==
How have you been? :O {{User:ToadetteAnime4evur/sig}}
:This year has been going pretty good! Last year sucked, but this year is going good! :) I hate homework though :P {{User:ToadetteAnime4evur/sig}}
::Haha yeah. I had depression last spring and whatnot and it just wasn't fun at all. :S But this year I've made like 5 new friends in the past few months alone, one becoming one of the best friends I've ever had in my life :) {{User:ToadetteAnime4evur/sig}}

==Maintenance==
I'm currently working on clearing up [[MarioWiki:Maintenance/Lists#Redirects|this page]], do you know if I have to edit talk pages, user talk, user pages, MarioWiki articles to clear it up? {{User:Xzelion/sig}}
:I usually just ignore all talk pages and userspace when I'm fixing links, but MarioWiki policy pages should probably be cleaned up (although I ''am'' generally too lazy to clean up ''MarioWiki:Proposal'' archives, since most of those are just user comments, which is akin to talk page content as far as I'm concerned). However, if you're asking if leaving the talk/userspace links will prevent the page from being removed from the Maintenance lists, I think the answer is "yes", unfortunately: I tried removing all the links to "Vicious Vortex" except for the one in Coincollector's userspace, and the redirect is still on the maintenance page... - [[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] 20:56, 17 April 2011 (EDT)

==Sorry==
Sorry, but many people have more than 2 images for a sig. Can you tell me other violations I made? Don't want to break rules!
--{{User:Boowhoplaysgames/Sig}} 15:55, 18 April 2011 (EDT)

==Cleanup==
I hope I don't sound patronizing, but I think you should probably ask for a "promotion" (ehehehe) to bot next time you want to do some heavy maintenance, so that the recent changes don't get flooded by your edits(as you are doing now with the removal of mainspace categories in images). anyway, good luck on that. --[[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]] 12:05, 19 April 2011 (EDT)
:Right, good idea. I always put up with random users making floods of image edits (I just look at main namespace only in those situations), so it never occurs to me that there's a way I don't have to flood the place too. Too bad there's no 'crats online right now - I can't actually wait for one to make me a bot and do this later. I've gotta study for an exam in a couple hours... - [[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] 12:15, 19 April 2011 (EDT)

==Image Category==
Sorry I only did it because images of Plants are in the Plants category.--[[File:Yoshi - Mario Party 10.png|35px]][[User:Yoshidude99|Yoshidude99]]  12:46, 19 April 2011 (EDT)

Okay thanks. If you can can you give me a ink to list of things I can't do? I don't want to do anything else like that again that is bad for the wiki.--[[File:Yoshi - Mario Party 10.png|35px]][[User:Yoshidude99|Yoshidude99]]  14:33, 20 April 2011 (EDT)

Okay. By the way I like your Yoshi's name in Paper Mario:The Thousand Year Door.--[[File:Yoshi - Mario Party 10.png|35px]][[User:Yoshidude99|Yoshidude99]]  14:44, 20 April 2011 (EDT)

Cool! Are you a fan of Yoshi like me?--[[File:Yoshi - Mario Party 10.png|35px]][[User:Yoshidude99|Yoshidude99]]  14:51, 20 April 2011 (EDT)

Ok. 2 questions for you. 1 who is your favourite Koopaling? 2 Can I catogrize images of beta elements in the beta elements category?(There is 1 file in the category)--[[File:Yoshi - Mario Party 10.png|35px]][[User:Yoshidude99|Yoshidude99]]  04:19, 25 April 2011 (EDT)

==Categories==
No, I'm sorry for doing that, but I didn't know (I saw a few images in a category a while ago, I can't remember which one it was...anyway, I assumed that meant that every category should have as many images in it as possible in addition to the articles in the category). I hope you know that I would never knowingly do anything on here that I thought wouldn't make the wiki better or improve it in some way, let alone do anything to intentionally make it worse. I have always made every effort to make edits well within the limits of the rules, and I probably should've asked before I did that (like I normally would), but like I said, I assumed it was necessary...thank you for letting me know. :)

{{User:Phoenix/sig}} 18:25, 19 April 2011 (EDT)

Thank you :)

{{User:Phoenix/sig}} 21:38, 19 April 2011 (EDT)

Oh, oh oh oh oh oh oh...okay, how did I not think of this before?! I remember now! It was the Category:Glitches page! That's the first one I ever started doing that for; when I first came across it, there were a good deal of images there already in addition to the articles listed there (I really have no idea who originally put them there), so I took the liberty of adding that category to all the images of glitches that had not already been marked as such, 'cause I thought it had to be done. I just assumed that needed to be done for all category pages after that, and well, you know the rest...so, I really hope all those edits don't have to be undone now too...if they do, I could do it so you don't have to...

{{User:Phoenix/sig}} 18:03, 20 April 2011 (EDT)

Okay

{{User:Phoenix/sig}} 15:44, 21 April 2011 (EDT)

==Proposal==
Sigh...well, you must've known that I'd ask you this at some point, but can you re-propose a past proposal after it has failed?

{{User:Phoenix/sig}} 03:06, 22 April 2011 (EDT)

:Yes, but only after 28 days have passed since the first one ended (Rule 8). - [[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] 17:28, 22 April 2011 (EDT)

Got it, thanks.

{{User:Phoenix/sig}} 20:24, 22 April 2011 (EDT)

Um, so now when I do that, I wanna create another proposal with the same (or similar) name, right? I mean, I obviously don't wanna go pulling the old one out of Mariowiki:Archive, now do I? :)

{{User:Phoenix/sig}} 00:20, 23 April 2011 (EDT)

:Yeah, you don't wanna copy the old one, but you should definitely mention it, and link to it (it makes keeping track of the proposal policies WAY easier, and I feel like it's only fair to give people the full story anyway). The title should also be a little different, but obviously it and the text of the proposal will have to be similar and pretty much state the same points, although if you can think of anything new to bring to the table, that would be a good idea. - [[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] 12:52, 23 April 2011 (EDT)

::Fabulous! <sub>(''Orbit'' commercial reference much...? :O)</sub>

{{User:Phoenix/sig}} 17:53, 23 April 2011 (EDT)

==New articles...==
Hello, just had a few ideas for some new articles, and I wanted to know if you thought we needed them or not, if you wouldn't mind perusing them:

*First, I was thinking an article for Windmills; I was going to mention the giant one and all the small ones in [[Bianco Hills]], and then the ones that blow [[Cloud Mario]] around in the [[Cloudy Court Galaxy]] and the [[Grandmaster Galaxy]] in ''[[Super Mario Galaxy 2]]''.
*Also, I recently realized that I don't think we have an article about those semi-large flowers from ''[[Super Mario Galaxy]]'' and ''Super Mario Galaxy 2'', like in the [[Honeyhive Galaxy]] and the [[Rightside Down Galaxy]], if you know what I'm talking about. They kinda look like dandelions, and when the player [[spin]]s next to them, they will fling [[Mario]] into the air. I was thinking of calling the article like "Fling Flowers" or something, but of course, it would be conjectural (and that's the best I could come up with, I apologize).
*The other day, I also noticed that we have several articles about different types of specialized balloons, but the one article I couldn't find was one for those giant pink balloons in [[Pinna Park]]'s Episode 8 that are shaped like [[Bowser Jr.]]'s head; I didn't know if these were quite important enough to warrant an article, but it seemed that way to me...
*Finally, I thought we should make one for those rounded glass cages that are found abundantly in ''SMG'' and ''SMG2'', usually with [[Luma (species)|Luma]]s trapped inside them, which usually disappear after the player steps on a switch or defeats some enemies or something. They seem pretty notable to me, and yet we seem not to have an article on them at all...

Please let me know what you think.

Thanks, 

{{User:Phoenix/sig}} 23:52, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

:*I'm usually pretty leery about the need for pages about RL things, so I'm not so sure if making a page for windmills is the best idea. Lots of games have them (there's [[Windy Mill]] in ''PM'', the entire ''MP7'' board of [[Windmillville]], all the ones in [[Windmill Plains]] of ''Diddy King Racing'', and ''Mario Pinball Land''), but aside from being windmills, they have nothing in common, meaning the article will just be a hodgepodge of relatively trivial info. I've seen a few pages like this around the wiki: they're huge messes, imho.
:*The ''SMS'' balloons aren't important enough for an article, but they ''can'' be mentioned in the [[Balloon]] disambig page, with a link to [[Pinna_Park#Episode_8:_Roller_Coaster_Balloons]].
:*The Fling Flowers (good name) could probably use an article, seeing as they affect gameplay.
:*Not sure about the Luma cage: you should ask someone who has played ''SMG'' and ''SMG2'', since they'll have a better perspective on whether it's important enough or not. My gut feeling is that they're not, but I could be wrong.
::- [[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] 13:10, 28 April 2011 (EDT)

:::Sounds good, thank you.

{{User:Phoenix/sig}} 14:27, 28 April 2011 (EDT)

==Proposals==
You really put up a good argument on the proposals {{user|yoshiyoshiyoshi}}
:Thanks; proposals are my forte. - [[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] 14:54, 28 April 2011 (EDT)

==Userbox images==
Hi, I just had a question about the userbox images, which are being deleted after tomorrow...I had a lot of images that I wanted to keep, but that would put me like ten times over the allowed limit of personal images, which is, of course, against the rules. [[Template:PI-violator|This]] says that the images can be linked to so that they still show, but can be deleted. Would that be against the rules to do?

{{User:Phoenix/sig}} 17:02, 1 May 2011 (EDT)

:Externally linking wouldn't be against the rules, as far as I know. You still might want to try finding mainspace image substitutes, and/or simply cutting down on your userboxes (we actually dissuade huge, giant towers, if I'm not mistaken: it's a topic that comes up periodically in the admin forums). - [[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] 17:10, 1 May 2011 (EDT)

::Okay, I suppose I could get rid of some of them...but would you know how to directly link the images and still see them? I think I tried linking to one a while ago, but it only showed the link...

{{User:Phoenix/sig}} 17:29, 1 May 2011 (EDT)

:::I think you just post the address of the image (like the first line of [[Talk:Mushroom_King#The_only_game_appearance_to_date.|this section]] - the only reason the image doesn't show up there is because the website it's from has been taken down (which sucks): it worked for years before that). - [[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] 18:25, 1 May 2011 (EDT)

::::OK, thank you! I really appreciate you answering my questions all the time, I know I have a lot of them... :)

{{User:Phoenix/sig}} 18:35, 1 May 2011 (EDT)

:::::No problem. You ask good questions :) - [[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] 18:39, 1 May 2011 (EDT)

==Delete==
Would you kindly delete [http://www.mariowiki.com/File:Dimentio.jpg this] when it is most convenient for you? Merci beaucoup, madame. {{User:Mario4Ever/sig}}
:Done. - [[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] 18:25, 1 May 2011 (EDT)

==Question==
I have a Sonic fanclub thing on this wiki(it is on my userpage at the moment) If I make a page for it in userspace will it be deleted? I don't want it to be deleted.--[[File:Yoshi - Mario Party 10.png|35px]][[User:Yoshidude99|Yoshidude99]]  11:59, 2 May 2011 (EDT)
:According to [[MarioWiki:Userspace#What_about_user_subpages.3F|the last bullet in this section]], it would be deleted. - [[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] 12:07, 2 May 2011 (EDT)

Ok thanks!--[[File:Yoshi - Mario Party 10.png|35px]][[User:Yoshidude99|Yoshidude99]]  12:09, 2 May 2011 (EDT)

==Patroller==
Do you know how to become a patroller? I really want to become one.--[[File:Yoshi - Mario Party 10.png|35px]][[User:Yoshidude99|Yoshidude99]]  14:19, 2 May 2011 (EDT)
:See [[MarioWiki:FAQ#How_do_I_become_an_admin.3F|here]]. I should warm you that we really don't encourage people asking about what they need to do to get promoted (see point 9 in the section I linked you too), but I figured you haven't read this page yet and wouldn't know that, so asking me this one time is no problem. - [[User:Walkazo|Walkazo]] 14:33, 2 May 2011 (EDT)

==I've already asked Xzelion, but since you're online....==
[[Talk:Whispy Woods|We've got a problem]]. {{User:Mario4Ever/sig}}