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| Hello! I'm a supporter of DKWiki merging with Super Mario Wiki. At the suggestion of {{user|Alex95}}, I came here to point out some good articles from the DKWiki whose Mario Wiki counterparts would be significantly improved if they had the others' information: [http://www.dkwiki.com/Bonus_Level Bonus Level], [http://www.dkwiki.com/Funky%27s_Fishing_(minigame) Funky's Fishing] and [http://www.dkwiki.com/Crosshair_Cranky Crosshair Cranky]. Just some help with the job. Many people agree with the proposal and there's currently no opposition. My question is, what's gonna happen to DKWiki articles that are equally as good as their MarioWiki counterparts? Would be a pity to delete them simply. -- {{User:Super Radio/Sig}} 11:28, 27 March 2018 (EDT) | | Hello! I'm a supporter of DKWiki merging with Super Mario Wiki. At the suggestion of {{user|Alex95}}, I came here to point out some good articles from the DKWiki whose Mario Wiki counterparts would be significantly improved if they had the others' information: [http://www.dkwiki.com/Bonus_Level Bonus Level], [http://www.dkwiki.com/Funky%27s_Fishing_(minigame) Funky's Fishing] and [http://www.dkwiki.com/Crosshair_Cranky Crosshair Cranky]. Just some help with the job. Many people agree with the proposal and there's currently no opposition. My question is, what's gonna happen to DKWiki articles that are equally as good as their MarioWiki counterparts? Would be a pity to delete them simply. -- {{User:Super Radio/Sig}} 11:28, 27 March 2018 (EDT) |
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| :I appreciate your input (as a side note, Crosshair Cranky was recently renovated by Atari Jaguar.) | | :I appreciate your input (as a side note, Crosshair Cranky was recently renovated by [[dkwiki:User:Atari Jaguar|Atari Jaguar]].) |
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| *[[User:The Retro Gamer/table begin]] - Same as first point. | | *[[User:The Retro Gamer/table begin]] - Same as first point. |
| *[[User:The Retro Gamer/para rq]] / [[Template:Para needed]] - ...Why do we need a template that displays an error? Wouldn't it just be easier to fill the parameter rather than adding an extra template calling for an error? This doesn't seem useful at all. | | *[[User:The Retro Gamer/para rq]] / [[Template:Para needed]] - ...Why do we need a template that displays an error? Wouldn't it just be easier to fill the parameter rather than adding an extra template calling for an error? This doesn't seem useful at all. |
| Not sure on [[Template:DK level table row]] and [[Template:DK level table section]], but these ones listed raise some major concerns. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 22:56, 22 April 2018 (EDT) | | Not sure on [[Template:DK levels table row]] and [[Template:DK levels table section]], but these ones listed raise some major concerns. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 22:56, 22 April 2018 (EDT) |
| :And [[User:The Retro Gamer/music]] doesn't need to be a separate page. You can just stick it in your sandbox. No need to create multiple pages tied to your userspace. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 23:02, 22 April 2018 (EDT) | | :And [[User:The Retro Gamer/music]] doesn't need to be a separate page. You can just stick it in your sandbox. No need to create multiple pages tied to your userspace. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 23:02, 22 April 2018 (EDT) |
| :Regarding <nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[Template:para needed|para needed]]<nowiki>}}</nowiki>, it can be later expanded to an error category in case a parameter is overlooked. It's a nice catch for mistakes, but if it ''really'' isn't wanted, it can always be deleted and removed from the templates it's on. The DK levels templates reduced a great deal of redundancy, allowing changes to the tables to be made in 1 place instead of 7 (before, to change the section headings, one would have to ''individually'' modify the section heading for each world's section.) This removal of redundancy and clutter can be clearly seen in <span class="plainlinks">[https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Donkey_Kong_Country&type=revision&diff=2428160&oldid=2427853 this cumulative diff]</span>, which reduced the page's size by 5,000 bytes. | | :Regarding <nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[Template:para needed|para needed]]<nowiki>}}</nowiki>, it can be later expanded to an error category in case a parameter is overlooked. It's a nice catch for mistakes, but if it ''really'' isn't wanted, it can always be deleted and removed from the templates it's on. The DK levels templates reduced a great deal of redundancy, allowing changes to the tables to be made in 1 place instead of 7 (before, to change the section headings, one would have to ''individually'' modify the section heading for each world's section.) This removal of redundancy and clutter can be clearly seen in <span class="plainlinks">[https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Donkey_Kong_Country&type=revision&diff=2428160&oldid=2427853 this cumulative diff]</span>, which reduced the page's size by 5,000 bytes. |
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| :You seem concerned about the number of pages in my userspace. Reading through [[MarioWiki:Userspace]], I see nothing concerning about having multiple subpages as long as they're related to the wiki. If I wanted to I ''could'' move everything to the sandbox, but it's a personal demarcation: the sandbox is for testing things, and other subpages are for other organizational hierarchies. [[User:The Retro Gamer|<span style="color:red;">--The</span>]] [[User talk:The Retro Gamer|<span style="color:green;">Retro</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/The Retro Gamer|<span style="color:blue;">Gamer</span>]] 23:13, 22 April 2018 (EDT) | | :You seem concerned about the number of pages in my userspace. Reading through [[MarioWiki:Userspace]], I see nothing concerning about having multiple subpages as long as they're related to the wiki. If I wanted to I ''could'' move everything to the sandbox, but it's a personal demarcation: the sandbox is for testing things, and other subpages are for other organizational hierarchies. [[User:The Retro Gamer|<span style="color:red;">--The</span>]] [[User talk:The Retro Gamer|<span style="color:green;">Retro</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/The Retro Gamer|<span style="color:blue;">Gamer</span>]] 23:13, 22 April 2018 (EDT) |
| ::Thing with para needed is that it's an error call, which is something editors usually try to ''avoid''. How we usually have it set up, like in cases with infoboxes and other tables, if a parameter is ignored, it is excluded from the transclusion. | | ::Thing with para needed is that it's an error call, which is something editors usually try to ''avoid''. How we usually have it set up, like in cases with infoboxes and other tables, if a parameter is ignored, it is excluded from the transclusion. |
| ::Take [[Template:character infobox]] for example; if "|full name=" is not used on a page, the parameter is ignored. Adding an error call and causing a large <span class="error">full name= is required</span> where the parameter should be is not only space-consuming, but it looks terrible, and if there is something to include there, it would've been included in the first place. Or the parameter can be added later, fully coded and ready to use. This template does not seem necessary. | | ::Take [[Template:Character-infobox]] for example; if "|full name=" is not used on a page, the parameter is ignored. Adding an error call and causing a large <span class="error">full name= is required</span> where the parameter should be is not only space-consuming, but it looks terrible, and if there is something to include there, it would've been included in the first place. Or the parameter can be added later, fully coded and ready to use. This template does not seem necessary. |
| ::And you're right, there is no limit to userspace pages as long as they are helpful to the mainspace or are meant to be transcluded onto several pages, like a talk archive or status page. But if it's something like a simple table, it doesn't really need a page of its own, unless you're planning on transcluding just it somewhere else (which is something you don't usually do with a table). {{User:Alex95/sig}} 23:26, 22 April 2018 (EDT) | | ::And you're right, there is no limit to userspace pages as long as they are helpful to the mainspace or are meant to be transcluded onto several pages, like a talk archive or status page. But if it's something like a simple table, it doesn't really need a page of its own, unless you're planning on transcluding just it somewhere else (which is something you don't usually do with a table). {{User:Alex95/sig}} 23:26, 22 April 2018 (EDT) |
| :::It does look terrible, and that's on purpose. These templates are meant for a very specific purpose, and diverging from that purpose is ''always'' wrong. A table can't skip a cell; it should always be filled with ''something''. An error could alert the current editor or any future editor that the template needs to be modified. I could have set it so that it would display "n/a" if a table cell is not filled, but I want the editor to make the conscious choice to format it that way, rather than have any risk of accidentally missing a cell. It's a bit different from a navbox, because a navbox can be expanded to add more information, while a table needs all of the cells in a row filled when a row is created. | | :::It does look terrible, and that's on purpose. These templates are meant for a very specific purpose, and diverging from that purpose is ''always'' wrong. A table can't skip a cell; it should always be filled with ''something''. An error could alert the current editor or any future editor that the template needs to be modified. I could have set it so that it would display "n/a" if a table cell is not filled, but I want the editor to make the conscious choice to format it that way, rather than have any risk of accidentally missing a cell. It's a bit different from a navbox, because a navbox can be expanded to add more information, while a table needs all of the cells in a row filled when a row is created. |
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| ::::(If I may chime in) Yes, tables should be complete with information, but in the event it is missing information, it's really not so big of an issue that it needs to grab the attention of users in big, red text. An empty cell in and of itself should be enough to let users know that it needs to be filled. Having text to falsely simulate an error message and alert users is unnecessary and just makes the table look worse than it needs to. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 01:33, 23 April 2018 (EDT) | | ::::(If I may chime in) Yes, tables should be complete with information, but in the event it is missing information, it's really not so big of an issue that it needs to grab the attention of users in big, red text. An empty cell in and of itself should be enough to let users know that it needs to be filled. Having text to falsely simulate an error message and alert users is unnecessary and just makes the table look worse than it needs to. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 01:33, 23 April 2018 (EDT) |
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| ::#"''Could you lend your expertise and opinion to this discussion?''" Why does Porplemontage need to enter this discussion?
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| ::#What do you mean by "''Creating new pages has barely any overhead''"? Yes, a wiki is built on the amount of content it holds, but [[Special:Statistics|that doesn't apply to userpages]].
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| ::#"''this particular rule was added as a minor edit without any discussion that I can find.''" There is an admin-only forum board, from which I'm not sure if I'm allowed to quote from. Marioguy1 was also an admin at the time of the rule's addition. However, I know the addition of the rule was discussed internally.
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| :::Also, check Steve's page, as he responded. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 23:17, 27 April 2018 (EDT)
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| ::::"''table formatting can be a a tricky thing''" Practice makes perfect, you know? It might actually be easier to use the standard wiki table code than a template, as a template has set coding that is transcluded among multiple pages, whereas the wiki table code can be edited for that specific table without affecting any other page. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 23:43, 27 April 2018 (EDT)
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| :::::"''I would prefer to keep the user subpages, the rules are against.''" You're an admin yourself, though on a different wiki. You should know better than to go against the rules simply because you don't want to follow them.
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| :::::::I did find the reasoning for the rule before, but I can't find it now after looking again. Regardless, the admins do agree on its inclusion, so it will stay unless there's a good reason otherwise. The conversation definitely went on far to long, but I'm glad there's finally an end here. Sorry if I came off as harsh, but I was just trying to get you to understand. Be sure to go over our policies carefully, and if there's any questions, someone's always willing to clarify :) {{User:Alex95/sig}} 21:39, 28 April 2018 (EDT)
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| Docky here! Given that [[List of Donkey Kong Country media|this page]] is just a click away, then I'd say no, removing them would be detrimental. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 03:01, 25 April 2018 (EDT) | | Docky here! Given that [[List of Donkey Kong Country media|this page]] is just a click away, then I'd say no, removing them would be detrimental. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 03:01, 25 April 2018 (EDT) |
| :The music consistently corresponds with very specific level types, I think that's important to note... [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 10:08, 25 April 2018 (EDT) | | :The music consistently corresponds with very specific level types, I think that's important to note... [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 10:08, 25 April 2018 (EDT) |
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| :Yeah, there is variance in some levels; I tried to pick a generally representative color scheme, but sometimes it's just the idea of the terrain in a cohesive sense that's important to convey. I disagree that "having all those colors, regardless of color coordination, just looks really unprofessional, and almost painful to be honest", but my taste may be different from the rest of the wiki, in which case I will obviously not implement it. [[User:The Retro Gamer|<span style="color:red;">--The</span>]] [[User talk:The Retro Gamer|<span style="color:green;">Retro</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/The Retro Gamer|<span style="color:blue;">Gamer</span>]] 01:57, 26 April 2018 (EDT)
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| ::When you have me & Doc agreeing, you know you've gone wrong :p - [[User:Reboot|Reboot]] ([[User talk:Reboot|talk]]) 01:58, 26 April 2018 (EDT)
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| == RE:Music themes column in DKC levels table ==
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| Hey there! I understand your point - since each terrain type is associated with its own musical track, it seems redundant to list both of them separately like that. That's not entirely true, however: for instance, despite being respectively set in mine and walkway areas, the minecart levels do not play their respective soundtrack, instead opting for a specific music. Same goes for the toboggan levels in DKC3. These exceptions alone make the listing of both columns necessary, in my opinion. But a viable solution would be the one you presented me, in which you make a distinct table that does just that. However, this would be inconsistent with DKCR and DKCTF, which don't really have fully designated terrain types and the music may repeat in multiple unrelated levels. -- {{User:Super Radio/Sig}} 15:44, 26 April 2018 (EDT)
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| :You've got some good points in the main argument, but I also happen to agree with the counterargument... Though one has to outweigh the other. That is, notability should be put aside in favour of consistency; articles related to Mario games don't list music tracks along with the levels they appear in, so neither should DKC articles. -- {{User:Super Radio/Sig}} 15:59, 28 April 2018 (EDT)
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| == Proposals ==
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| Regarding what you said to Mario JC, you most certainly do not, it still has two days to go. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 23:13, 27 April 2018 (EDT)
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| :Whoops, never mind then. That doesn't make my question completely irrelevant though. [[User:The Retro Gamer|<span style="color:red;">--The</span>]] [[User talk:The Retro Gamer|<span style="color:green;">Retro</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/The Retro Gamer|<span style="color:blue;">Gamer</span>]] 23:14, 27 April 2018 (EDT)
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| == Reducing the amount of coding on pages ==
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| I find it a tad ironic that you aim to do that, and keep making subpages, but still have not made a signature page, instead typing out all that "span" stuff every time you sign. You ''can'' make one of those, as many here have. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 00:00, 28 April 2018 (EDT)
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| :Um, look at [[Special:Preferences]]. You can modify your signature's wikitext directly from there. I'm just typing out <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. [[User:The Retro Gamer|<span style="color:red;">--The</span>]] [[User talk:The Retro Gamer|<span style="color:green;">Retro</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/The Retro Gamer|<span style="color:blue;">Gamer</span>]] 00:10, 28 April 2018 (EDT)
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| :But if it's desireable for the signature to be cleaner by having it templated, I can certainly do that. [[User:The Retro Gamer|<span style="color:red;">--The</span>]] [[User talk:The Retro Gamer|<span style="color:green;">Retro</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/The Retro Gamer|<span style="color:blue;">Gamer</span>]] 00:11, 28 April 2018 (EDT)
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| == GBA only anything ==
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| They do need the identifier in all cases, because you can't just expect a person who searches for the level name as soon as they discover the wiki to know those differences, potentially leading them to attempting to find something that isn't there. ''Especially'' considering there have been 3-4 more releases of the SNES versions than the GBA versions, it seems. More people will have played the SNES version and still will be, considering DKC1 is on the [[Classics|SNES Classic Edition]]. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 18:20, 28 April 2018 (EDT)
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| == Re: Donkey Kong Country photograph sections ==
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| I actually think it's good to have, in case someone tries to find them in the SNES version. I only removed the "only" because it's redundant. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 18:21, 28 April 2018 (EDT)
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| == DK wiki ==
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| Hey there! can i help you in moving content from DK wiki into this wiki? {{User:YoshiEgg1990/sig}}
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| == RE: Comments ==
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| Yeah, the intent was to solicit discussion. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 16:12, 30 April 2018 (EDT)
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| == Infobox Animal Buddies ==
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| While that makes ''more'' sense, let's cross that bridge when we get to it. Even then, there are ambiguous cases, like the whales, Wigglevines, Nibbla, and several things from the ''Mario'', ''Yoshi'', and ''Wario'' games that would have to be considered (ie Yoshi himself, Poochy, the turtles in the ''Wario Land'' games, the dolphins, Fluzzard, it goes on and on.) [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 19:19, 30 April 2018 (EDT)
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| == Raw Code Signature ==
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| I noticed your <nowiki>~~~</nowiki> usage is leading to inserting raw code instead of the code <code><nowiki>{{User:</nowiki>{{BASEPAGENAME}}<nowiki>/sig}}</nowiki></code> ({{User:{{BASEPAGENAME}}/sig}}). {{SITENAME}}'s [[MarioWiki:Signatures|policy page]] and [[Help:Signature|help page]] should help you out how to set one up. Just follow the steps carefully, and your signatures will insert the code as I described instead of raw code. You can edit this section to see my transcluded signature for an example. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 16:42, 1 May 2018 (EDT)
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| == RE:Automating power moon proposal implementation ==
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| Oh man, thank you so much for doing that. Your solution would save me quite a few hours, since I'm the one who takes care of the redirects. In the example you offered me, I didn't bother to make lower-case redirects because the search function recognises what you enter regardless if you write in lower-case or upper-case, so long as every word in the title you are searching for originally starts with a capital. On the other hand, for examples such as [[Bird Traveling the Wastes]], there needs to be a lower-case variant because of the existent uncapitalised word/words. However, when I got to make redirects for [[List of Power Moons in the Snow Kingdom]], I was under the impression that lower-case variants for redirects similar to the "How You Doin', Captain Toad?" example are indeed necessary, though I'm not sure why. I've seen some people following this practice, even though it says in the [[MarioWiki:Redirects#Unnecessary redirects|guidelines]] not to do it. <s>I'll ask an admin what's the drill.</s> [Nevermind...]<br>Anyway; you shouldn't worry about the punctuation, as I can still take care of it manually. If the admins are okay with implementing this bot, go ahead; I find it very helpful.-- {{User:Super Radio/Sig}} 11:33, 2 May 2018 (EDT)
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| :If I may add, case redirects were discussed earlier when [[Afoot in the Foothills]] raised some problems. Different case redirects are indeed acceptable, but only if there are varying cases in the name. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 19:53, 2 May 2018 (EDT)
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| Regarding punctuation, I don't respect a certain criteria as far as I remember. I just write redirects with or without punctuation marks to ease searching. -- {{User:Super Radio/Sig}} 11:16, 4 May 2018 (EDT)
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| == Enemy counts ==
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| Hi, in regards to [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/51#Part 2: What should be included in enemies lists?|your recent proposal]] passing, what should be done about enemies that respawn indefinitely? I suggest adding a semicolon after the number, followed by a brief explanation of the conditional. Using World 1-4 from ''New Super Mario Bros.'' as an example:
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| *[[Goomba]]s (8; not counting those exiting Warp Pipes)
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| Additionally, ''Hotel Mario'' is the one game I'd like to make an exception for, since enemy numbers vary way too often to consider an actual count.
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| That said, I hope it treads along well. Thanks! {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 00:34, 9 May 2018 (EDT)
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| == For when you ever come back online ==
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| The Donkey Kong Wiki merge project you started in May 2018 has finally finished! {{user|TheFlameChomp}}, {{user|TheDarkStar}}, {{user|HEROWALUIGI}}, {{user|Ultimate Mr. L}}, {{user|Toadette the Achiever}}, myself, and especially {{user|Results May Vary}} (Atari Jaguar) (and maybe some other users I'm forgetting) all contributed in some way to make sure there was no missing or inaccurate information. There's still some Donkey Kong-related articles that need updating here on Super Mario Wiki, but https://www.dkwiki.com has officially closed its doors on November 17, 2019. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 11:55, November 18, 2019 (EST)
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