Editing User talk:Super Mario RPG

== Multiple accounts ==

{{Threeaccounts-reminder|CoolNintendo|Tetris}}
This is actually your fourth including {{User|Maciej the gaming pro}}, though this was an unused one from four years ago. Please do not create multiple accounts, otherwise you will be temporarily blocked from editing entirely. If this is due to a forgotten password, make sure to add an email to your [[Special:Preferences|preferences]] so you're able to do a password reset, or contact an admin first before creating another account. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 21:38, October 10, 2023 (EDT)
:okay. first two i forgot password to. third one i decided i didn't like the username (Tetris) [[User:Super Game Gear|Super Game Gear]] ([[User talk:Super Game Gear|talk]]) 21:41, October 10, 2023 (EDT)
::You're allowed to [[MarioWiki:Changing username|request a rename]] three months after account creation. A new account shouldn't be made just to change your name; creating a username isn't something done with little thought, and since it's the name you settled with, it's expected that you stick with it at least for a while. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 22:03, October 10, 2023 (EDT)

== Color ==

Our templates generally have some amount of color for ease and thematic purposes, i.e. red templates on Mario games, green on Yoshi, brown on DK, purple on Wario, et cetera, often with colored text to represent multiple characters. If you're worried about your eyes being strained, I'd recommend you do what I do and find ways to turn the screen brightness down lower than it goes by default, which is a Godsend for late working in the dark - I use Intel Graphics Command Center, but you'll need to figure out what you'd need depending on your device. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 20:18, October 17, 2023 (EDT)
:The problem I have with colors and why I like the plain and simple look is because the use of colors is arbitrary, like the bright red on Famicom GP page. The coding for the navigation templates are not on the articles, but the coloring for the tables are. [[User:Super Game Gear|Super Game Gear]] ([[User talk:Super Game Gear|talk]]) 20:29, October 17, 2023 (EDT)

==Other appearances==
Hi, just to let you know, the "other appearances" sections are not for cameos in general. They're for cameos outside of the games this wiki covers. See [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/57%23Define_the_scope_of_.22Other_appearances.22_sections|relevant proposal]].

Also I see you're grouping history sections by series instead of game. Nothing strongly against it for now but I'm curious, what's better about that format? Just want to know. {{User:Somethingone/sig}} 18:52, October 30, 2023 (EDT)
:Thanks for the heads up about Other appearances. Also, it's arbitrary, but I feel it's necessary if like other sections are too short (e.g. it's redundant if one section after another says "acts the same as in [game]" or "acts the same as in game"). I basically only prefer sections if they are large enough to warrant it, not like if they have 2-3 sentences that can be tied to like a similar release (e.g. if there's only three sentences describing ''Super Mario Galaxy 2''{{'}}s difference from ''Super Mario Galaxy'', I think it's better off to put all the information together. Remakes tend to share an individual section as well, which I think you've seen around a wiki (like 64 / 64 DS), and it can reduce the redundancy of using sentences when having to reintroduce everything in like one or two sentences. [[User:Super Game Gear|Super Game Gear]] ([[User talk:Super Game Gear|talk]]) 18:58, October 30, 2023 (EDT)
::Ah, so reducing redundancy was the reason? Makes sense, really, I have seen those things before. Thanks for clarifying for me! {{User:Somethingone/sig}} 19:02, October 30, 2023 (EDT)
:::You're welcome. Unfortunately there's not really any black or white solution to the idea of reducing redundancy in wiki text, as 1-2 sentences could be redundant, or 6-7 sentences. [[User:Super Game Gear|Super Game Gear]] ([[User talk:Super Game Gear|talk]]) 19:14, October 30, 2023 (EDT)

== Trigger-happy info removal ==

Your recent mass excision of information from pages like [[Nintendo]], [[iQue]], and [[Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection]] on grounds that "it's not related to Mario enough" is pretty misguided. It leaves out historical and technical context that readers may benefit from knowing if they are willing to engage with Mario media specifically. You have reasoned that this much detail is comparable to listing entire in-depth biographies for the people involved in the Mario series, but I'd argue there's a crucial difference: these people are living, breathing beings whose existence isn't tied to a fictional character, meaning there is really only so much you can write about them on this site before the information starts becoming superfluous. With the aforementioned subjects, because they're inherently tied to Nintendo's game development history, they practically exist in symbiosis with Mario's franchise. Even then, I agree that some of the information may ramble in parts, but if you feel like you can reform some of the content to a degree you find reasonable, it's best to first initiate a discussion on the matter--the amount of content concerned here is large enough that it's nigh on guaranteed any attempts at handling it on your own will result in disagreements. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 09:41, November 27, 2023 (EST)
:Well, I guess what I can say is that this is how we learn along the way. I've run into a few disagreements with my edits before, and I did not start a conflict with them. [[User:Super Game Gear|Super Game Gear]] ([[User talk:Super Game Gear|talk]]) 10:03, November 27, 2023 (EST)
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This is with regard to your [[Special:Diff/4083568|removing]] of the Production section in the [[Virtual Boy]] article. To reiterate my message above: the history of an official Nintendo system that plays official Mario games can and should very much be within the interest of the wiki's readers. Phasing whole history sections out because they're not directly and obligately related to Mario makes for low-priority and unprofessional coverage. I am not saying you have to agree, ''but the changes you're making are drastic enough that they may require discussion beforehand.'' {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 18:17, December 15, 2023 (EST)

== Re: Headings ==
Now I checked the History section of Manual of Style, and found the guideline you told me, I will take your edits to know that I cannot add a History heading to a subject that made one appearance.

Also, I saw some articles with the description heading. Observing the edits you made with my previous edits, I took it as articles with little content to not need that 'Description' heading, if I am correct. Thank you for telling me. {{User:Derekblue1/sig}} 01:00, November 29, 2023 (EST)

== History section splits ==

Hey, can you pause on splitting history sections? It's evident that guidelines per [[MarioWiki:Article size]] are not sufficient enough for a judgement call for several page splits you've attempted. We're trying to figure out how to rework these article size guidelines (the 100k byte limit in the policy is clearly not a good guideline, which is made much clearer from these attempts) so we don't have a suboptimal layout of pages in the process. While several of these are technically 100k or reaching it, the resulting original pages will be too small to justify an article, where their navigational templates exceed the size of the page. You've also split off a featured article [[Chain Chomp]], which is too much of a drastic change affecting a front page display that we're not comfortable enough moving forward with without prior discussion. At the time of this post, there are several pages where it's not exceeding the disputed 100k limit, such as [[Thwomp]], [[Coin]], [[Bob-omb]], [[Shy Guy]]. Even those a little over 100k such as [[Koopa Troopa]] and [[Piranha Plant]] are probably not advisable for a split yet. Even for a page like [[Goomba]], try to trim content where possible too. For instance, I think there's too many images in that article, so if I wanted to cut down images, I'd consider very carefully which image illustrates this character's history (such as an appearance showing a redesign of Goomba or a stylistic change in Goomba) and which ones are less important (Goomba simply reappearing in a direct sequel). {{User:Mario/sig}} 14:35, December 2, 2023 (EST)
:I actually was not planning on doing any more, especially when I saw the removal of "History of Chain Chomp." However, I do agree that it gets redundant when splitting an article that's like 45k in size. [[User:Super Game Gear|Super Game Gear]] ([[User talk:Super Game Gear|talk]]) 14:42, December 2, 2023 (EST)

== Completed MKT icons ==

Hello, Super Game Gear. Thank you for taking notice on the template I was working on, I completed typing all the names of the drivers, karts and gliders on [[User:Derekblue1/sandbox|my sandbox]]. I was thinking of '''Template:mkt-icon''', but do you have a better suggestion for a template name? {{User:Derekblue1/sig}} 07:34, December 9, 2023 (EST)
:'''Template:mkt icon''' (without the dash) [[User:Super Game Gear|Super Game Gear]] ([[User talk:Super Game Gear|talk]]) 09:17, December 9, 2023 (EST)
:: Got it, here is the new template: [[Template:MKT icon]]. {{User:Derekblue1/sig}} 09:39, December 9, 2023 (EST)

== DK level pages ==

[https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Black_Ice_Blitz&curid=54856&diff=4084371&oldid=4084368 Approved by who?] Was there a discussion on this I missed? {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 14:18, December 16, 2023 (EST)
:[[User_talk:Mario#Level_pages|Yes.]] [[User:Super Game Gear|Super Game Gear]] ([[User talk:Super Game Gear|talk]])
::I'm with 7 here, I think there should be a more community-wide discussion on this rather than one normal editor and one sysop. Especially on the world pages, the galleries don't function as well as the tables to on my monitor. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 14:25, December 16, 2023 (EST)
:::Well I'm nearly done with DKLIII and already completed restyling the first three DKC level pages and the first two DKL level pages. I've been doing this for several days. [[User:Super Game Gear|Super Game Gear]] ([[User talk:Super Game Gear|talk]]) 14:28, December 16, 2023 (EST)
::::I would hardly call a user talk page discussion between three users, one of whom not even being 100% on board with the idea, to be sufficient consensus to overhaul all of these pages. I, for one ''vastly'' prefer the table for the Bonus Levels over the simple bulleted list with the screenshots clumped to the right of it. I do think a gallery is better than a table for the enemy lists, though. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 14:31, December 16, 2023 (EST)
:::::I think that if you had objections, you should have voiced them sooner, because I'm nearly done with the overhaul. Consensus is a relative term, anyways. [[User:Super Game Gear|Super Game Gear]] ([[User talk:Super Game Gear|talk]]) 14:35, December 16, 2023 (EST)
::::::I can't voice objections about something I don't know about. All of this has been happening behind my back. If there were a more high-profile discussion than three users on a user talk page, I would get it. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 14:39, December 16, 2023 (EST)
:::::::Can you not take a hint? If someone is objecting to what you're doing, you should ''stop'' until the issue is settled. The linked discussion was not sufficient to me, and "I'm almost done already" is not a good reason to just keep going. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 14:50, December 16, 2023 (EST)
::::::::I'm sorry about the confusion here. I think removing the tables should've happened for these lists. I find it a little odd that DKC articles have this layout while most other level pages use lists for that information, see [[Koopa Troopa Cave]]. {{User:Mario/sig}} 15:39, December 16, 2023 (EST)
:::::::::Yeah. It would require too much effort to undo all of it, and I just finished doing the DKL3 levels. I wanted to try something like a tabber for the [[Orang-utan Gang]] page, since it has five Bonus Levels (I did a quick edit; saw it wasn't working, and I know that tabber is currently only approved for infobox images). This would help retain the bullet list while alternating between the Bonus Level locations at the same time, so hopefully we can do that at some point. [[User:Super Game Gear|Super Game Gear]] ([[User talk:Super Game Gear|talk]]) 15:44, December 16, 2023 (EST)
::::::::::Orangu-tan Gang is a good example of why I ''don't like'' using the bulleted lists over tables for the Bonus Levels. The tables provide a nice visual aid for the reader, showing them an image of the location of a collectible or the Bonus Level in addition to a description of how to get there or whatnot. I honestly have no idea why those ''Mario'' levels ''don't'' do this already. It's helpful, so railing against them is honestly baffling to me. Also, you can avoid the "too much effort" issue by having a more high-profile, community-wide discussion (or a proposal) before making such large, widespread changes like this. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 16:02, December 16, 2023 (EST)
:::::::::::How the galleries are done in Orangu-tan Gang is suboptimal, that's why it it's hard to tell immediately what the bonus levels are. I think putting the secret levels in an accompanying gallery like green stars, with images labeling the levels, would work better. Table also works too, though. As for tabber, I don't really like the use of it on the wiki and I would eventually make a proposal to remove these all together, but the proposal was passed iirc too recently. {{User:Mario/sig}} 16:09, December 16, 2023 (EST)
::::::::::::I'm going to give something on Orang-utan Gang's Bonus Levels section a try. I feel there's not enough justification for tables in the level article since it's mostly just parsed text. [[User:Super Game Gear|Super Game Gear]] ([[User talk:Super Game Gear|talk]]) 16:17, December 16, 2023 (EST)
:::::::::::::The tables looking better and being better for organization is justification enough. Having the images crammed in a gallery below the bulleted list or off to the right just looks needlessly worse to me than simply having the table with the images neatly being paired with the descriptions. That goes for the KONG letters too - how is having the screenshot of the K off to the right, the O and the N in the gallery at the bottom of the page, and the G tucked away in the Bonus Level gallery better than just having a table with all of the screenshots neatly in place? I simply don't understand how that's an improvement. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 16:34, December 16, 2023 (EST)
Agreed with 7feetunder. If info about an item/bonus room/etc. has a screenshot as a visual aid, a table is the best way to pair them together.<br>Game Gear, respectfully, your recent edits have largely felt like changing things just for the sake of change. Heed the advice given so far and discuss all of these things beforehand with the community at large. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 16:42, December 16, 2023 (EST)

:I prefer the bullet list (more adjustable reading experience on devices with smaller screen size), and my amendment to the issue of the screenshots would be in the form of tabber, then it's fewer images occupying the size of the screen. [[User:Super Game Gear|Super Game Gear]] ([[User talk:Super Game Gear|talk]]) 16:46, December 16, 2023 (EST)
::And they're ''less'' adjustable for larger screens. And tabber stinks, to put it bluntly. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 16:54, December 16, 2023 (EST)
::To the point about KONG Letters, they're optional items in a large majority of DK platforming games, not key items. [[User:Super Game Gear|Super Game Gear]] ([[User talk:Super Game Gear|talk]]) 16:56, December 16, 2023 (EST)
:::So what? There's a consistent number and pattern to them. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 16:57, December 16, 2023 (EST)

This discussion has made it clear that you do not have the approval to go on this anti-table crusade that you thought you did. Yet you're still doing it. When multiple users are opposing the wiki-wide changes you're making, you should ''stop'' until you get a consensus in your favor, be it through a more substantial discussion or a proposal, not just keep doing it. For the record, I don't think the tables for those ''King of Swing'' collectibles were overly necessary, since they only featured images of the collectibles themselves rather than the locations, but the point still stands. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 16:49, December 23, 2023 (EST)

Admin here and I have to echo what everyone else has been saying here and say you're changing too many things that honestly don't need to be changed for the most part, not just removing tables, but replacing them with hidden lists (this in particular I really do not see the benefit of, especially for just small sections; sections are already hidden in the default mobile view, and it's more convenient and nicer having the information presented immediately), killing substantial history sections that have separate subsections, and adding tabbers to infoboxes that [[Template:Tabber#Use cases|haven't been approved yet]]. I understand you're trying to make articles more accessible, but you need to understand that that doesn't mean everyone is going to agree with how you're going about it. (And you've already had multiple people objecting to your edits, which should be an indication to stop and discuss, not simply proceed without a word.) This is a wiki; if these are going to affect a large number of pages, you need to at least get the opinions of other users through discussion or a proposal, let others know what you're doing and why these changes would be helpful. I'm letting you off with one last informal reminder but any more drastic, site-wide layout changes like these without approval may result in a warning, since you were already formally reminded earlier about this. Slow down. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 07:03, January 4, 2024 (EST)

{{warning}}
Aight, you got a good number of users, including one bureaucrat, expressing uncertainty or even disapproval regarding some of your recent edits, and you're [[Special:Diff/4110630|still]] [[Special:Diff/411062|doing it]]. I don't know just what is so difficult for you to grasp that ''these changes are drastic and controversial enough a discussion with other users is definitely required''. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 09:09, January 9, 2024 (EST)
:Oh, it was because I saw the DKC world pages were edited, so I wanted to make them consistent. And I summarized the descriptions. [[User:Super Game Gear|Super Game Gear]] ([[User talk:Super Game Gear|talk]]) 09:12, January 9, 2024 (EST)

== Minor Edits ==

Small but numerous edits (like your edits on NSMB level pages) should be marked as minor to avoid flooding recent changes. {{User:Mushroom Head/sig}} 00:33, December 17, 2023 (EST)
:You say, before doing exactly that without marking them. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 01:06, December 17, 2023 (EST)
::i did mark them {{User:Mushroom Head/sig}} 01:41, December 17, 2023 (EST)
:::Huh, weird, the m didn't show up for me. Sorry. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 01:45, December 17, 2023 (EST)

== Smash Bros. ==

Gonna let you know that that is a veritable ''powder keg'' discussion, so bluntly saying you want non-''Mario'' content from ''Smash Bros.'' purged outright is not going to help your case. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 12:50, January 5, 2024 (EST)
:Not sure I fully understand. A lot of the Smash content is in list pages, since this is a wiki on ''Super Mario''. [[User:Super Game Gear|Super Game Gear]] ([[User talk:Super Game Gear|talk]]) 12:53, January 5, 2024 (EST)
::Look at the proposal log and look for the ones that were ''Smash''-related. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 13:27, January 5, 2024 (EST)

== Le tabber inappropriée ==

Hello, looking over your contribution history, I've noticed an extremely large amount of uses of the contentious tabber template on pages it was not approved for, such as item and enemy and stage pages. I request that you revert those undiscussed uses, as otherwise, that's a lot more unnecessary work for the rest of us. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 00:34, January 17, 2024 (EST)

== Profiles ==

Why are you limiting the preview profiles sections to at most three profiles? There isn't a rule saying you could do that, although I think it allows for less clutter. {{User:PnnyCrygr/sig}} 08:31, January 22, 2024 (EST)
:There isn't a rule, but I like consistency and figured it would not be a big deal to limit it to three. [[User:Super Mario RPG|Super Mario RPG]] ([[User talk:Super Mario RPG|talk]]) 08:37, January 22, 2024 (EST)