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| :::I agree. [[User:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)]] ([[User talk:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|talk]]) 15:14, May 7, 2024 (EDT) | | :::I agree. [[User:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)]] ([[User talk:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|talk]]) 15:14, May 7, 2024 (EDT) |
| :To be clear, the sources that make a distinction between ''Super Mario Bros.'' games and other ''Super Mario'' games generally do not include ''all'' 2D ''Super Mario'' games as part of the ''Super Mario Bros.'' subseries. ''Super Mario Run'' and the ''Super Mario Maker'' games are explicitly not ''Super Mario Bros.'' games, but this wiki considers them ''Super Mario'' games due to their inclusion on official websites as part of the series. Separating out the ''Super Mario Bros.'' subseries in a way consistent with official sources would not be equivalent to separating the 2D and 3D ''Super Mario'' games from each other. {{User:JanMisali/sig}} 15:16, May 7, 2024 (EDT) | | :To be clear, the sources that make a distinction between ''Super Mario Bros.'' games and other ''Super Mario'' games generally do not include ''all'' 2D ''Super Mario'' games as part of the ''Super Mario Bros.'' subseries. ''Super Mario Run'' and the ''Super Mario Maker'' games are explicitly not ''Super Mario Bros.'' games, but this wiki considers them ''Super Mario'' games due to their inclusion on official websites as part of the series. Separating out the ''Super Mario Bros.'' subseries in a way consistent with official sources would not be equivalent to separating the 2D and 3D ''Super Mario'' games from each other. {{User:JanMisali/sig}} 15:16, May 7, 2024 (EDT) |
| ::The source of the Super Mario Bros. series name is from Super Mario Run itself, within an officially released game. [[User:Super Mario RPG|Super Mario RPG]] ([[User talk:Super Mario RPG|talk]]) 15:23, May 7, 2024 (EDT)
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| :::Right, and that source refers to ''Super Mario Bros. Wonder'' as having been released 11 years after the "last side-scrolling entry", referring to ''New Super Mario Bros. U''. All side-scrolling games released between ''New Super Mario Bros. U'' and ''Super Mario Bros. Wonder'' are, officially, not entries in "the ''Super Mario Bros.'' series of side-scrolling action games". {{User:JanMisali/sig}} 15:28, May 7, 2024 (EDT)
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| ::::I do agree with you, as I had just now noticed this. ''Super Mario Maker'' and ''Super Mario Run'' seem to put enough emphasis on different mechanics to make me think they could stand out almost in the manner of spinoffs. The "Super Mario" title doesn't just have to refer to the mainline platformers. [[User:Super Mario RPG|Super Mario RPG]] ([[User talk:Super Mario RPG|talk]]) 15:30, May 7, 2024 (EDT)
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| :::::Yes, it would make sense to stop considering ''Run'' and the ''Maker'' games mainline, but [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/63#Reconsider mainline status of Super Mario Maker, Super Mario Maker 2, and Super Mario Run|a proposal about that exact thing]] was made around the time ''Super Mario Run'' stated they're not ''Super Mario Bros.'' games, and it was very strongly rejected. I don't expect a new proposal with an even more radical change to the wiki's categorization of the mainline series to go any better. {{User:JanMisali/sig}} 15:40, May 7, 2024 (EDT)
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| ::::::Yeah, no. Keep them. [[User:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)]] ([[User talk:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|talk]]) 15:45, May 7, 2024 (EDT)
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| :::::::But keep them where? They're officially not ''Super Mario Bros.'' games, and the suggested benefit of making the distinction in the first place is so the 3D games can be separated from the 2D games. {{User:JanMisali/sig}} 15:46, May 7, 2024 (EDT)
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| ::::::::I would keep Maker in the series itself, not any subseries, and make them related, but Super Mario Run, for what I can tell, is a NSMB game. [[User:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)]] ([[User talk:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|talk]]) 16:47, May 7, 2024 (EDT)
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| :::::::::But ''Super Mario Run'' itself suggests that it's not part of the same subseries as ''New Super Mario Bros. U''. {{User:JanMisali/sig}} 16:59, May 7, 2024 (EDT)
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| ::::::::::...Well, this is quite the dilemma. [[User:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)]] ([[User talk:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|talk]]) 17:11, May 7, 2024 (EDT)
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| ::Eh, but the wiki itself does do stuff that isn't what I would call "consistent with official sources". [[User:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)]] ([[User talk:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|talk]]) 15:19, May 7, 2024 (EDT)
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| :::Here's an example on [[User:Super Mario RPG/sandbox|my sandbox page]] of the Goomba article having split sections between the ''Super Mario Bros.'' series and ''Super Mario'' series. [[User:Super Mario RPG|Super Mario RPG]] ([[User talk:Super Mario RPG|talk]]) 15:20, May 7, 2024 (EDT)
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| ::::Very good! [[User:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)]] ([[User talk:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|talk]]) 15:25, May 7, 2024 (EDT)
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| :::::Thank you. I updated the sections a bit since the in-game source (''Super Mario Run'') said SMB Wonder comes about twenty years after the last mainline ''Super Mario'' side-scroller, so I think ''Super Mario Maker'' subseries is more a spinoff series and ''Super Mario Run'' a spinoff game just from the fact that it's not on a Nintendo console. 15:32, May 7, 2024 (EDT)
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| ::::::Ok. [[User:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)]] ([[User talk:SONIC123CDMANIA+&K(B&ATSA)|talk]]) 15:45, May 7, 2024 (EDT)
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