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| ::::Well, we can see how ''Link's Awakening'' implementation goes in practice to get more ideas on how to improve coverage. Then later on, there can be a revised proposal for the general article (I'd personally make it about trading the ''Link's Awakening'' article with that). It does severely irk me that the outrageous, self-identified sloppery slope argument with the italics, bold, and big text is the one getting the attention. Maybe it's better to cut losses there and start fresh after the other proposal. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 10:36, April 16, 2022 (EDT) | | ::::Well, we can see how ''Link's Awakening'' implementation goes in practice to get more ideas on how to improve coverage. Then later on, there can be a revised proposal for the general article (I'd personally make it about trading the ''Link's Awakening'' article with that). It does severely irk me that the outrageous, self-identified sloppery slope argument with the italics, bold, and big text is the one getting the attention. Maybe it's better to cut losses there and start fresh after the other proposal. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 10:36, April 16, 2022 (EDT) |
| :::::Honestly, I think those are completely different, for the reason I calmly explained to our outrageous friend in the comments: ''Zelda'' appearances typically aren't 1:1 and for all intents and purposes integrate the ''Mario'' content as their own rather than serving as just a means of cross-promotion for the most part, even extending to their designs falling out of the jurisdiction of notoriously stricter mandates for remakes. Other games/series simply don't get that luxury. Take Lakitu in ''The Minish Cap''. It's got angry eyes, hides in its cloud as a shield, tosses lightning bolts similar but not identical to Thunder Lakitu, and then can be defeated after its cloud disappears and it's on the floor, which are characteristics it never had in the ''Mario'' series. The only segment of these games that does earnestly come across as cross-promotion is, ironically, in ''Link's Awakening'', where Goombas and Piranha Plants are common early sights in the side-scrolling sections to convey to the player that these sideways areas are not unlike the ''Super Mario'' series. Even then, Goombas have a grin instead of a grimace and more of a unibrow, and Piranha Plants have a slightly different stem and bulb shape than usual. That's not getting into the Spiny. Bottom line, none of this is applicable to stuff like ''Punch-Out'' or ''Densetsu no Sta<s>[[Talk:Densetsu no Starfy 3|r]]</s>fy 3'', which aren't nearly as transformative. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 11:12, April 16, 2022 (EDT) | | :::::Honestly, I think those are completely different, for the reason I calmly explained to our outrageous friend in the comments: ''Zelda'' appearances typically aren't 1:1 and for all intents and purposes integrate the ''Mario'' content as their own rather than serving as just a means of cross-promotion for the most part, even extending to their designs falling out of the jurisdiction of notoriously stricter mandates for remakes. Other games/series simply don't get that luxury. Take Lakitu in ''The Minish Cap''. It's got angry eyes, hides in its cloud as a shield, tosses lightning bolts similar but not identical to Thunder Lakitu, and then can be defeated after its cloud disappears and it's on the floor, which are characteristics it never had in the ''Mario'' series. The only segment of these games that does earnestly come across as cross-promotion is, ironically, in ''Link's Awakening'', where Goombas and Piranha Plants are common early sights in the side-scrolling sections to convey to the player that these sideways areas are not unlike the ''Super Mario'' series. Even then, Goombas have a grin instead of a grimace and more of a unibrow, and Piranha Plants have a slightly different stem and bulb shape than usual. That's not getting into the Spiny. Bottom line, none of this is applicable to stuff like ''Punch-Out'' or ''Densetsu no Sta<s>[[Talk:Densetsu no Starfy 3|r]]</s>fy 3'', which aren't nearly as transformative. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 11:12, April 16, 2022 (EDT) |
| In the meantime, it might be prudent to garner a list of articles to create if one of the options for the ''Mario''-related subjects in ''Zelda'' games passes. I'll start with what I call the must-haves. Manhandla would be a variant of Piranha Plant, and as I mentioned for brevity's sake, I think Mario Wiki can easily cover the ''Four Swords'' derivative in the same article since two entire articles might be pushing it (though if a second article were allowed, I'd consider ''Four Swords'' Manhandla to be a notable member of recurring Manhandla). Similarly, Mini Bow-Wow could be one variant article covering the unnamed one and the CiaoCiao character, sort of like how Triforce Wiki covers BowWow under Chain Chomp. Podoboo Tower would be a variant of Lava Bubble. The Thwomps are tricky, but for now, I'd prefer if Spiked Thwomp was in the base Thwomp article since it's clearly the counterpart to the version of Thwimp; Mega Thwomp would be the one to split as a variant, with the ''Four Swords Adventures'' Thwomp also in the base Thwomp article and noting that the Thwomp in that game has the qualities of the previous Spiked Thwomp (behavior) and Mega Thwomp (non-spiked), also considering the fact that even the ''Mario'' Thwomps may or may not have damaging spikes depending on the game. Head Thwomp should be a notable member of base Thwomp (or more specifically Spiked Thwomp). Of course, Yoshi Doll would be along the lines of Mario doll, Bowser doll, and Dolly. Then we have the maybes. Stone Elevator would be a variant or relative of Mega Thwomp, but like Manhandla, I'm unsure about an offshoot article. I was a little iffy on the ''Zelda'' Spark as seen on the talk page, but I'm coming around and I don't think I'd mind giving it fuller coverage; if that's the case, the ''Zelda'' Fire Snake could also potentially have an article as a variant or relative of Spark, since it was originally composed of Sparks in ''A Link to the Past''. Bombite isn't a Bob-omb explicitly, but it appears on the [[tcrf::File:LAGB-Gomi7.CGX.png|same pad]] as many ''Mario'' enemies and it has similarities to the Bob-ombs that eventually showed up in ''The Minish Cap'', so it may at least be a relative. Same goes for the <s>Arm-</s>Hollow Mimics, which acts as an alternative to Shy Guy. Terrorpin could possibly be considered a variant of Buzzy Beetle and has some similarities with Spiny, but I may have to look into that a bit further. Sea Urchins could be given their own article as you can say at this point that they've appeared in more ''Mario'' games than ''Zelda'' games. The whirlwind that appears when the Recorder is used could be article, given that the Recorder itself was from ''Zelda'' too. I'm not sure about giving characters like Tarin and the Cucco Keeper their own articles, as while they have physical similarities to Mario and Luigi, they don't have much in common besides former's like of mushrooms. Same goes for Talon and Ingo, and their ''Majora's Mask'' counterparts. Having said that, the raccoon/''tanuki'' transformation is an interesting connection, but I'm not sure where to cover it since they physically appear much later in ''Super Mario Sunshine'', with a distinct design ala ''Super Mario 64'' penguins. If I think of other possibilities, I'll let you know. Maybe run this by Doc if/when proposal passes. <small>And, uh, yw! Again, I endeavor to refrain from comments that can be perceived as strong the wrong way here, but last I checked, there is less cross-wiki activity than there used to be on NIWA. I think it's more about users having found their "cliques" and sticking there.</small> [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 19:01, April 16, 2022 (EDT)
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| :Responded about Deku Baba. By the way, I think part of the reason the ''Zelda'' series article failed is because of the understanding that it'd broaden the scope of the wiki to cover an unrelated franchise. That's not how I took it. I understood it to mean that it'd be more of a general article that'd mainly cover the ''Mario''-relevant games rather than the rest of the series. But yeah, seeing as how ''Link's Awakening'' is now considered the sole guest appearance, does that mean, for example, that the Spiny coverage from ''Link's Awakening'' will have to be moved to a completely different part of the article from ''Oracle of Seasons/Ages'', ''Four Swords'', and ''The Minish Cap''? Yuck. =p By the same token, I think the interwiki link proposal should be clearer that it's not affecting the NIWA template, Zelda Wiki's standing on NIWA itself, or even the appearance of such to readers - it's just making it a tad more honest among editors that it is currently (meaning for several years) part of both NIWA and Fandom, paradoxical though it may be. Outright ignoring the issue in plain sight is what is harming the integrity of all parties involved. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 09:50, April 24, 2022 (EDT)
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| ::You did mention the NIWA template in the proposal as something you had a reservation on, but I didn't follow what you intended to do there regarding its presentation on the template, just that the interwiki link there probably had to be changed from <code><nowiki>[[zeldawiki:]]</nowiki></code> to <code><nowiki>{{fandom|zelda}}</nowiki></code> as I understand it. Did you mean to add "(on Fandom)" or something like that visible? I wouldn't be opposed to that either, but baby steps are better than nothing. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 10:24, April 24, 2022 (EDT)
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| ::Sorry for the double-posting, but I do want to ask you to let me know about any other interesting official ''Mario'' content you find specifically on the internet. Anything cut from the same cloth as Play Nintendo or social media, so to speak. Currently planning on making an article about that ''Odyssey'' photo contest you told me about, so please be on the lookout! {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 17:32, April 15, 2022 (EDT) | | ::Sorry for the double-posting, but I do want to ask you to let me know about any other interesting official ''Mario'' content you find specifically on the internet. Anything cut from the same cloth as Play Nintendo or social media, so to speak. Currently planning on making an article about that ''Odyssey'' photo contest you told me about, so please be on the lookout! {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 17:32, April 15, 2022 (EDT) |
| :::Eh, I'm just currently going through a rut of some sort, rendering me a little slower and less motivated than I usually am. Must be the seasonal changes lol, should go away in a few weeks. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 18:48, April 15, 2022 (EDT) | | :::Eh, I'm just currently going through a rut of some sort, rendering me a little slower and less motivated than I usually am. Must be the seasonal changes lol, should go away in a few weeks. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 18:48, April 15, 2022 (EDT) |
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| Hello once again. --[[User:DarkMatterMan4500|DarkMatterMan4500]] ([[User talk:DarkMatterMan4500|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/DarkMatterMan4500|contribs]]) 10:46, April 18, 2022 (EDT)
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| Lol, that D joke thing was a trip. Kind of hard to explain the context, it's been so long, but I was teasing him about being slow at demoting a rogue admin and he told me to shut the f- up uncensored and it was an iconic moment for me. Being talked to like that from the site owner was hilarious. Yes, Porple started a community of closely linked, related wikis. It all started with a Wario Wiki and a Donkey Kong Wiki as a trial run of sorts, but things didn't really progress that way. They weren't very popular. We still have the NIWA community which is pretty much what the dream was, I just ''think'' Porple wanted to be the one to make them all, lol and not just be affiliated with them.
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| Another thing we used to have was Banjo-Kazooie and Conker articles on this very wiki when that Donkey Kong Wiki failed. The idea was that Diddy Kong Racing was so ingrated with MarioWiki, that Banjo and Conker were seen as sub-series to Mario, but most ended up disagreeing with the choice, myself included. I love Banjo! I just don't think it's a Mario sub-series ''at all''. {{User:Paper Jorge/sig}}
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| :From what I heard, it was down to nasty stuff he said to other community members in places like discord. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 14:47, May 21, 2022 (EDT)
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| ::He stalked and harassed a few people, had a tendency to subtly lie and gaslight, and whenever he'd get blocked from anywhere his main recourse was to scream every slur he could think of at them. His biggest deception, though, was making us think he had actually improved as a person. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 15:02, May 21, 2022 (EDT)
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