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==Nintendo Power #90==
Hi again! (Btw, thanks for archiving your talk page!) I have a request for you: You are the only accessible person on the internet who apparently owns Nintendo Power issue 90 (the one with Dixie and Kiddy Kong in a toboggan). Could you please look at the DKC3 segments in that issue, and tell me if you find anything stating that the Kremlings were mutated by something? Many users on the internet, including me, remember something about that being the case, so I'm trying to find a source proving this. (While you're at it, please let me know about anything else obscure in the DKC3 segment!)
This would really help a lot! (You don't have to, I don't want to pressure you into doing anything)<br>{{User:Scarlet Pairo/sig}} 14:14, December 11, 2021 (EST)
:Thanks a lot!! {{User:Scarlet Pairo/sig}} 14:34, December 11, 2021 (EST)

== RE:December update ==
It's great to hear from you again. This past month has seen slower progress in regard to my wiki contributions; instead, I've directed my attention to several outside endeavours.

It's nice that you have taken the initiative to better the databases that document various franchises, but I have to wonder if the prospective workload of such task won't take a toll on your finances and, more importantly, you.

At any rate, thank you for the update. I appreciate everything you do! {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 13:00, December 12, 2021 (EST)
:Playing the long game is a commendable approach, and I've acknowledged that you love doing it, but I do have to wonder how much you find to be enough. I'd be adamant about not overexerting yourself. Your contributions are much needed with how terrible some of the mainstay sources of information are to navigate, e.g. Bulbapedia; I'm just saying that, realistically, you'd fare much better if you focused yourself on one project, then moving on when it can sustain itself at the earliest.
:Anyway, should you need any help, I'm here to hear your requests. As ever, I'm busy with Mario Wiki projects, but I should be able to squeeze some time for whatever you need of me. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 12:04, December 13, 2021 (EST)
::That's reassuring. If any drama of sorts arises, it's best you keep on going in stride, like you said. I'm sure you'll prove your mettle, if you haven't already :) {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 12:24, December 13, 2021 (EST)

== RE:DK Wiki PT ==
You create for me on this site [https://meta.miraheze.org/ Miraheze]? Because you have more knowledge. [[User:ChristopherPAraujo|ChristopherPAraujo]] ([[User talk:ChristopherPAraujo|talk]]) 15:31, December 12, 2021 (EST)
:[[User:ChristopherPAraujo|ChristopherPAraujo]] Hi, I am DarkMatterMan4500, an acquaintance of Results May Vary on the wikifarm that is known as Miraheze. I was sent here by a link from him directly to his talk page, and I wanted to say, if you want to join Miraheze, then that's great. --[[User:DarkMatterMan4500|DarkMatterMan4500]] ([[User talk:DarkMatterMan4500|talk]]) 10:56, December 13, 2021 (EST)

== You're welcome! ==

Happy to be of help! {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 14:38, January 1, 2022 (EST)

== Nintendo Holiday Pinterest board ==

So I just found [https://www.pinterest.com/nintendo/nintendo-holiday/ this Pinterest collection] dedicated to Nintendo-themed holiday creations. It was promoted by Nintendo of America in a [https://www.facebook.com/Nintendo/photos/a.120520318032430/557163717701419/?type=3 Facebook post], and it has tons of redirects to official Nintendo social media posts where they present their own printable stuff. Might be worth bringing some of that material over here, maybe? {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 11:15, January 2, 2022 (EST)

==Re:thank you==
Sure! I understand the excitement of proto-documentation, so I look forward to seeing how much gets covered. (This may be more up your alley since I feel the GBA version is a bit out of my jurisdiction as it were, as while I have memories of the SNES version, my experience with the GBA version is mostly limited to checking out Pacifica.) By the way, there's been something I've been meaning to mention: I've noticed you added some Miraheze wiki links on your user page not too long ago. I'm curious as to the goal/approach compared to alternative wikis such as those for ''Kirby'' and ''Super Smash Bros.'' Is it like the Zelda Archive sitch, or something else? I don't know much about Miraheze. Asking for a friend who ''might'' be interested in "The Kirby Encyclopedia" in particular. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 11:30, January 6, 2022 (EST)
:Interesting. I think I remember that ''Super Smash Bros.'' proposal, and I honestly think the future of this content in the long term here is uncertain, so it's good that you have a "fork" backup ready. So, other points of interest: what's the Miraheze Super Mario Wiki? (I'm amused that it apparently takes a stance on "canon warnings" like FANDOM's MarioWiki while our stance has almost always been "there is no canon" <small>but secretly it's really "draw your own conclusions for yourself."</small>) And can you tell me about ShoutWiki? There was another wiki I was interested in a while back, which I thought was an independent alternative to a Wikia site, but then I realized it was on ShoutWiki and I guess the Gamepedia buyout spooked me from it. I'm not too savvy on the specifics, but I suppose, since both ShoutWiki and Miraheze more openly pride themselves as open source projects, would you say there's less of a chance for the same thing to happen to them? Anyway, I'm in agreement that WiKirby has pretty much gone in its own direction. I remember you asked me once if you can "<s>steal</s> borrow" my ''Kirby''-related contributions, so if there's a unified goal of making it more like this wiki, I say it's fine in case you were thinking of doing that again, though I should add if you do that I've changed my stance on the gender thing since then - I still think it's a little annoying that my old, novice arguments have been overemphasized in some other places, but it's hard to argue when the main creator, voice actor, and Japanese sourcebooks have all repeated the same thing at some point, which I wasn't aware of until recently...so it looks like I was accidentally right all along, just not for reasons I stand by now that I have more knowledge on how the language works, if that makes sense. At any rate, good luck with these wikis! [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 19:21, January 6, 2022 (EST)
::Yes, I noticed that Gamepedia had a "corporate" identity from day one, so really the Wikia acquisition might've been inevitable in some ways. The wiki I had in mind was Bomberpedia - I'd never heard of ShoutWiki until that point, so my first thought was: "oh, it's named after the ''Bomberman'' character, Shout!" Regardless, it's a pretty tight-knit community, so I don't see them migrating anytime soon. So with Triforce Wiki having moved its hosting to Grifkuba Gaming Services, is there a reason why Triforce Wiki doesn't appear to be listed on Grifkuba's main page? <small>"Asking for a friend" was my bad attempt at being somewhat subtle lol.</small> Not to get too off-topic here, but one more thing while I'm talking about other wikis: since you handle both Final Fantasy Wiki and Wiki of Mana, I'm curious as to your stance on ''Seiken Densetsu: Final Fantasy Gaiden'' (''Final Fantasy Adventure'' / ''Adventures of Mana'') and ''Shinyaku: Seiken Densetsu'' (''Sword of Mana'') coverage. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 08:50, January 7, 2022 (EST)
==Emergency==
My [https://dkwiki.org/wiki/Wiki_Donkey_Kong wiki site] has received a [https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Community_noticeboard#Things_to_note_for_the_upcoming_migration_and_downtime_notice warning] that some things will be disabled.
[[User:ChristopherPAraujo|ChristopherPAraujo]] ([[User talk:ChristopherPAraujo|talk]]) 18h42in de January 7, 2022 (EST) (UTC)

== RE:Pokémon articles ==

I've scanned them, and all I can say is that you're off to a great start. Keep 'em coming! I can't find a Play Nintendo page, though. Does it currently exist only as a draft? {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 18:15, January 8, 2022 (EST)
:I'm curious, what is the exact scope of Nintendo Wiki? Is it gonna cover all Nintendo media, just without minor subjects like certain enemies and items? Or will it only do so for games like Game Builder Garage which don't have a dedicated wiki? {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 12:32, January 31, 2022 (EST)
::I think I heard there's some controversy surrounding certain wiki farms but I'm not knowledgeable enough on the subject to understand why. As for wiki farms in general, this is the first time I hear some people are outright wary of them. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 15:17, February 4, 2022 (EST)

==Player's guides==
Exists the ''Mario Super Sluggers'' player's guide?
[[User:ChristopherPAraujo|ChristopherPAraujo]] ([[User talk:ChristopherPAraujo|talk]]) 22h18, January 31, 2022 (EST)

Because I want the artwork of Kritter in big size with good quality.
[[User:ChristopherPAraujo|ChristopherPAraujo]] ([[User talk:ChristopherPAraujo|talk]]) 23h53, January 31, 2022 (EST)
==DKC Player's guide in Japanese==
You DKC3 japanese player's guide have artwork of Dixie or Kiddy riding Ellie?
[[User:ChristopherPAraujo|ChristopherPAraujo]] ([[User talk:ChristopherPAraujo|talk]]) 14:51, Febuary 4, 2021 (EDT)

==RE: ayoooooo==
Haha, been busy with real life. Got two jobs nowadays and I wish I had more time for this place but I... 😭😭 well, that's the price you pay for getting old. But I miss and love you too fam I appreciate you!!! You a real one. {{User:Paper Jorge/sig}}

:Totally late response but yeah, I totally f' with the vision. The Wikia Fandom websites beat us to the punch in a lot of wikis...but...as I've complained before...bro their layout and formatting is so much infinitely worse! Wikia has awful syntax and a confusing layout! Every time! I love what y'all are doing, I wish I could help with the B-K Wiki a whole lot more. I definitely would if I was still 13 and had all the time and enthusiasm in the world, it's a shame really. Man, it's insane to me that I will probably die having never seen another real Banjo game again. 8 year old me would always be so hyped about the possibility of Banjo-Threeie on the Gamecube, and I'd look up fan made content sometimes thinking it to be real. If only that little kid knew that he'd be, one day, 25 years old and still not have the game. Nuts & Bolts doesn't count, but I sure enjoyed it a lot for what it was. JonTron's complaints were very valid, though. It felt very dead; it wasn't full of life and exploration and things to do, overall. It didn't even feel like they were Banjo characters. And the graphics overall, the redesigns and coloring, it all felt dull and sad. {{User:Paper Jorge/sig}}

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==Re:''Kirby no Kirakira Kizzu''==
So I actually do have reason to have done this a little differently. As you said, ''Kirby's Super Star Stacker'' isn't necessarily a finalized title, so I wouldn't have used that. The Game Boy version box art romanizes the ''Kirakira Kizzu'' part as ''KiraKira Kids'', but that's not what I'm thinking of either. The title I'm thinking of was used right in ''Kirby: Planet Robobot''. If you recall, there are unlockable stickers based on artwork from previous games. The stickers from the Game Boy and Super Famicom versions are grouped together as ''Kirby's Star Stacker'' since they have the same Japanese name. So I'd reference that as the English title and come up with identifiers to differentiate from the Game Boy and Super Famicom versions. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 13:16, March 3, 2022 (EST)

==Re:Some articles live on==
I have suggestions! There was a [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/51#Smash Bros. Articles: What Stays and What Goes.3F|proposal]] that, among other things, condensed the Assist Trophies from their own articles into a list. We also had more ''[[Talk:Yume Kōjō: Doki Doki Panic#Merge Imajin, Mama, Lina, Papa, and Poki and Piki with this article|Doki Doki Panic]]'' and ''[[Talk:Panel de Pon#Merge With Tetris Attack|Panel De Pon]]'' [[Special:Diff/3237496|information]] that got gutted. Do these sound like things you'd save at Nintendo Wiki and SSB Wiki? (Also, I'm pretty sure it's "Castle Dedede") [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 12:55, March 13, 2022 (EDT)
:Thanks for bringing that to my attention! That ''Yoshi's Island'' webpage looks so cool, but unfortunately, I don't think its [https://web.archive.org/web/19961222151332/http://www.nintendo.com/product/snes/smw2/index.html original] [https://web.archive.org/web/19980205061926/http://www.nintendo.com/snes/smw2/index.html form] was ever fully archived. A lot of those other web screenshot and descriptions also make me nostalgic somehow. I do have a few notes here you may find interesting.
*''Panel de Pon'': Neris looks like a mermaid, but she's called the sea fairy. The characters' full titles are: はなのようせい　リップ (flower fairy Lip), かぜのようせい　ウィンディ (wind fairy Windy), こおりのようせい　シャーベット (ice fairy Sharbet), みどりのようせい　ティアナ (green fairy Thiana), ほうせきのようせい　ルビー (jewel fairy Ruby), みずのようせい　エリアス (water fairy Elias), ほのおのようせい　フレア (flame fairy Flare), うみのようせい　ネリス (sea fairy Neris), つきのようせい　セレン (moon fairy Seren), ビッグバード　フェニックス (big bird Phoenix), モンスター　ドラゴン (monster Dragon), まおう　サナトス (devil king Sanatos) and めがみ　コーデリア (goddess Corderia). One minor character is shared between SFC ''Panel de Pon'' and SNES ''Tetris Attack'', named タイムくん / Mr. Time by the second character of Stage Clear mode.
*''Panel de Pon GB'' appears to have been developed much further along before becoming ''Pokémon Puzzle Challenge'' - TCRF's page is really just the tip of the iceberg. Check out the bottom section of [https://hakuda2.web.fc2.com/game/pane/mo.html this page] for instance. Some things like story text was apparently overwritten, but from the recovered graphics it looks like the missing link between the original and the 64/GC game. There's a restoration project underway last I checked that uses the Japanese version since it's the one with the most leftovers.
*''Panel de Pon 64'' wasn't just "believed to have been retooled" as ''Pokémon Puzzle League'' - there's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0sl8xhYG4E&t=683s footage] of an in-progress build where the options screen is still ''Panel de Pon''-themed (which is actually still mentioned in the ''Nintendo Puzzle Collection'' article), so it's pretty much a strong certainty.
*Lina is Imajin's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KL9o9zzCUsQ&t=8m38s girlfriend] (also, I'm pretty sure Mamu/Wart was never a king, even though he wears a crown). Could also mention that Mama's jumping is slightly different than Luigi's.
*NMS UK #28: [https://archive.org/details/nintendo-magazine-system-uk-28-january-1995/page/n89/mode/2up This] scoop on ''Donkey Kong Country'' might have a few things we didn't know about. For instance, a SGI-generated boxing tech demo was what impressed Nintendo and what eventually led to ''Country''. (Also, speaking of this issue, I don't know if you've ever played ''Chrono Trigger'', but [https://archive.org/details/nintendo-magazine-system-uk-28-january-1995/page/n9/mode/2up this] scene with two identical robots behind the gang in the time machine is not in the final game.)
*NMS AU #42: Not much to say [https://archive.org/details/nintendo_magazine_system-1996_09/page/n39/mode/2up here] but just thought it was worth pointing out that they refer to ''Panel de Pon'' as "''Paneru Gopon''" like their [[:File:NMS UK I40 P88.jpg|UK]] [[:File:NMS UK I42 P8.jpg|counterpart]]. Maybe there's a bit more to it?
*NMS UK #50: Is the page background used [https://archive.org/details/nintendo-magazine-system-uk-50-november-1996/page/82/mode/2up here] a known DKC3 render? Compare it with the [[:File:DKC3 cover art.jpg|box art]] ([[:File:DKC3 Scene.png|flipped]]) and [[:File:DKC3 Title Screen background.png|title screen]]. This looks like an early version of that, except the title screen still has the landmass and background details (no Funky, Kuff/Klout). Dixie is in an entirely different position (which may not be as dynamic but I personally kind of like it because I feel it catches your attention more towards the character whose name is in the title), and Kiddy doesn't seem to be catching a banana (it looks like they sort of hastily added it in, and if you notice his angle was also tweaked for the box art version). The [https://archive.org/details/nintendo-magazine-system-uk-50-november-1996/page/84/mode/2up next] page is also interesting because at the bottom we have another screenshot of early Karbine (not the [[:File:Karbine proto design ingame.png|one]] that the wiki has). Quality's not that great, but worth adding.
*NMS AU #53: [https://archive.org/details/nintendo_magazine_system-1997_08/page/n5/mode/2up Here] it says that ''Star Wing 64'' was planned to be the (PAL) title for ''Star Fox 64'' / ''Lylat Wars'', but cites "some clash over the Star Wing name and another company’s use of the title". That might be new information, since the story I'm aware of is the [https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2012/09/want_to_know_the_real_reason_star_fox_was_renamed_in_europe StarVox] one. Speaking of which, [https://archive.org/details/nintendo_magazine_system-1996_09/page/n33/mode/2up NMS AU #42] & [https://archive.org/details/nintendo_magazine_system-1997_09/page/n23/mode/2up #54] and maybe [https://archive.org/details/64_magazine-volume_01/page/n95/mode/2up this unofficial magazine] has some pre-release screenshots I haven't seen before, as well as [https://archive.org/details/nintendo_magazine_system-1995_05/page/n13/mode/2up NMS AU #26] on a potential PAL release of ''Star Fox 2''.
*NMS AU #55: A [https://archive.org/details/nintendo_magazine_system-1997_10/page/n11/mode/2up preview] of a 60% complete build of ''Banjo-Kazooie'' (''Conker's Quest'' is on the previous page) mentions "Banjo's girlfriend Piccolo" which sounds a lot like Banjo's sister Tooty. The girlfriend part was [https://twitter.com/Ghoulyboy/status/1177528103721197569 deconfirmed] to Gregg Mayles' recollection, so it's interesting that there's another source with that claim. It also refers to "Fungus Forest" and "Mount Fire Eye" ("Mount Fire Eyes" in NP 99).
*Also I observed that a lot of people wrote in asking about a PAL release for ''Super Mario RPG''. [https://archive.org/details/nintendo_magazine_system-1997_08/page/n51/mode/2up NMS AU #53] gives the explanation that Nintendo's falling out with Square started around the time the NTSC version released. That reminds me, I ought to get on to uploading the ''Super Mario RPG'' pre-release coverage sometime.
*What do you think about adding info to the wiki that's fan-submitted if the publishing source is official? I'm sure they edit the submissions a bit before it goes to print. I'm thinking the cheat codes and perhaps the mailbag.
I do want to ask, how's the process for making your own wiki at Miraheze? The thought has crossed my mind to make a companion wiki for a personal, RPG-related project I've had in the works for some time, and I'm wondering if Miraheze would be a decent fit. Merely a hypothetical for now since I'm unsure if I can work out the logistics. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 00:10, March 18, 2022 (EDT)
:Oh, if you want to add a citation for the ''Doki Doki Panic'' tidbit, I'm sure it's fine to borrow the one [[Yume Kōjō: Doki Doki Panic#Story|used]] for the article. The Render Archive or maybe Supper Mario Broth or even Forest of Illusion might be able to look into the mystery DKC3 render. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 12:18, March 18, 2022 (EDT)

== Diddy Kong's go-karting stint ==

I've played neither the original nor the DS remake, so I have no strong feelings on the series' dormancy. I saw a used copy of Diddy Kong Racing DS selling for like 15 euros at a local store, and I was debating whether I should get it, but I ultimately gave it a pass since I heard pretty bad things about this specific version. Though I ''did'' hear a lot of bad things about Wario: Master of Disguise as well before I got it, and I ended up enjoying it. Don't knock 'em till you tried 'em, I guess.<br>Nice job on the wikis so far! I'm iffy on recycling information from here, though. I think a wiki should strive to have original writing, even if it ends up describing the same subject as another site. It ain't an observation on the copyright status, just a concern on the integrity of what you are building. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 16:51, March 24, 2022 (EDT)

==Metroidpedia et al==
I consider myself a fan, even though I'm kind of lousy as far as speedrunning/100%ing these games for all the best endings. One thing that comes to mind that a new wiki might be able to readdress is that I never really liked how the other wikis handled Zoomer/Geemer situation. One of them even sources a Tweet that, to be frank, was most probably the result of an intern citing them to begin with. That said, I do want to see if ''Metroid Prime 4'' makes a little more sense and hopefully clears up the air in this regard, since they touched on these creatures before. <small>There is a minor typo in the first sentence of the Samus article BTW.</small> On the topic of gaming franchises that crossed with ''Mario'' outside of ''Smash'', I see that someone also started a [https://sonic.miraheze.org Sonic] wiki (I think that leaves Pac-Man, Bomberman, and Rayman/Rabbids). Not sure if you're aware, but Dark Horse released a "Sonic the Hedgehog Encyclo-speed-ia" book not too long ago. The existing wikis seemingly take a middling approach where they don't outright reject their encyclopedia like Mario Wiki but don't completely embrace it like Zelda Wiki. Not sure how I feel about it overall, but it's clear that Dark Horse intends to make the video game encyclopedias an ongoing series. It's nice to have somewhere to fall back when other franchises are next. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 20:46, March 28, 2022 (EDT)

==Super Donkey Kong 3 guide==
Hi again, long time no see! I saw that you uploaded the latest version of this image of Ellie. You said that it was from the "SDK3 guide". Is this the "Super Donkey Kong 3 Shogakukan guide" mentioned on the page? If so, can you give me a link to the guide? That'd be really helpful :p {{User:Scarlet Pairo/sig}} 10:54, March 29, 2022 (EDT)

==DK Wiki==
It looks like [https://dkpt.miraheze.org/wiki/ my website] is having problems!!!
[[User:ChristopherPAraujo|ChristopherPAraujo]] ([[User talk:ChristopherPAraujo|talk]]) 22:49, April 7, 2022 (EST)

== RE: Patroller? ==

Thank you for bringing the userbox to my attention. I was a patroller, and that doesn't reflect my current status (which is, as you guessed, retired). I'd honestly forgotten that was there. {{User:Mario4Ever/sig}} 23:49, April 9, 2022 (EDT)

== RE: Met two ppl == 
Oh man, them and I go way too far back lol it's actually kind of crazy. I thought they were the same person sockpuppeting, back in 2008, and threatened to block them, thus forcing them to reveal they were siblings. They are good people. On the contrary, I am a horrible person that should be tried in court and sentenced to two life sentences. {{User:Paper Jorge/sig}}

==Re:Enemy expansion==
Looking good so far, probably an overdue change. I did allude to this [https://triforcewiki.com/wiki/User_talk:Doc_von_Schmeltwick/archive_1#Link's_Awakening_(2019)_internal_filename/glossary_comments once] with Doc <small><small>(and yes, I'm aware that I'm not a good wiki-multitasker and it seems things have changed a bit since my last major edits there, but I do promise to have some big contributions when I have a working scanner)</small></small>, but I'm not sure the Thwomp situation is as clear-cut as it was thought. The Shogakukan guides refer to Spiked Thwomp and Thwimp/Thwomp as being size variants of each other, and given Thwimp's similar ''Link's Awakening'' design, that would mean Spiked Thwomp was supposed to be the game's analog to ''Mario'''s Thwomp, not Mega Thwomp. They even reappear together in ''Oracle of Seasons''. The wrench in the works is the "Thwomp" that later shows up in ''Four Swords Adventures'', which looks like Mega Thwomp but behaves like Spiked Thwomp. I'd actually wanted to open a discussion on that one. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 11:59, April 13, 2022 (EDT)
:Well, I was considering doubling with the ''Link's Awakening'' option as well, but it happens to be one of my favorite 2D ''Zelda'' games (pre-remake of course), and I didn't want to give in too much to my bias there. I may go for it later if the ''Pinball'' and ''PiCTOBiTS'' proposals pass. I do want to make a follow-up at some point to see if we can then cover remaining ''Mario''-based enemies from other games, such as the Piranha Plant-derived Manhandla (probably could cover the ''Four Swords'' derivative in the same article for the wiki's sake), Head Thwomp from ''Oracle of Ages'', and Podoboo Tower from that and ''Oracle of Seasons''. I'd possibly even throw in related elements like the Fire Snakes from ''A Link to the Past'', depending on if we classify the ''Zelda'' Spark as the same as the ''Mario'' one. I always wanted to add some of these to existing infoboxes and templates, but thought they could never look right redirecting to another wiki. I'm not privvy to the thoughts of the NIWA top brass, but I imagine that Zelda Wiki situation hasn't quite put them in a comfortable position either. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 12:36, April 14, 2022 (EDT)
::Oh wow, you're on a roll. I'll put my thoughts over there then, but I will say that I think I might actually prefer a general series article that over a particular game. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 14:00, April 14, 2022 (EDT)
:::Yeah, I think visualization is in order. I have one idea. You can maybe show how a ''Zelda''-exclusive article would look if the general series article proposal does or does not pass. The ''Link's Awakening'' proposal looks like it's going to pass, so I'd pick something from another game. Podoboo Tower, for example. In my head, with a general article, you can take the opportunity to cut down on interwiki links across multiple articles, and reserve them for the general article. So you'd have Podoboo Tower as first appearing in ''{{fake link|The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons/Ages|The Legend of Zelda#The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons/Ages}}'' (check that out), directing you to Mario Wiki's description of said game, which will then take you to other links if you want. You can show that this would be incongruous with our hypothetical treatment of ''Link's Awakening'' content. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 10:21, April 16, 2022 (EDT)
::::Well, we can see how ''Link's Awakening'' implementation goes in practice to get more ideas on how to improve coverage. Then later on, there can be a revised proposal for the general article (I'd personally make it about trading the ''Link's Awakening'' article with that). It does severely irk me that the outrageous, self-identified sloppery slope argument with the italics, bold, and big text is the one getting the attention. Maybe it's better to cut losses there and start fresh after the other proposal. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 10:36, April 16, 2022 (EDT)
:::::Honestly, I think those are completely different, for the reason I calmly explained to our outrageous friend in the comments: ''Zelda'' appearances typically aren't 1:1 and for all intents and purposes integrate the ''Mario'' content as their own rather than serving as just a means of cross-promotion for the most part, even extending to their designs falling out of the jurisdiction of notoriously stricter mandates for remakes. Other games/series simply don't get that luxury. Take Lakitu in ''The Minish Cap''. It's got angry eyes, hides in its cloud as a shield, tosses lightning bolts similar but not identical to Thunder Lakitu, and then can be defeated after its cloud disappears and it's on the floor, which are characteristics it never had in the ''Mario'' series. The only segment of these games that does earnestly come across as cross-promotion is, ironically, in ''Link's Awakening'', where Goombas and Piranha Plants are common early sights in the side-scrolling sections to convey to the player that these sideways areas are not unlike the ''Super Mario'' series. Even then, Goombas have a grin instead of a grimace and more of a unibrow, and Piranha Plants have a slightly different stem and bulb shape than usual. That's not getting into the Spiny. Bottom line, none of this is applicable to stuff like ''Punch-Out'' or ''Densetsu no Sta<s>[[Talk:Densetsu no Starfy 3|r]]</s>fy 3'', which aren't nearly as transformative. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 11:12, April 16, 2022 (EDT)
In the meantime, it might be prudent to garner a list of articles to create if one of the options for the ''Mario''-related subjects in ''Zelda'' games passes. I'll start with what I call the must-haves. Manhandla would be a variant of Piranha Plant, and as I mentioned for brevity's sake, I think Mario Wiki can easily cover the ''Four Swords'' derivative in the same article since two entire articles might be pushing it (though if a second article were allowed, I'd consider ''Four Swords'' Manhandla to be a notable member of recurring Manhandla). Similarly, Mini Bow-Wow could be one variant article covering the unnamed one and the CiaoCiao character, sort of like how Triforce Wiki covers BowWow under Chain Chomp. Podoboo Tower would be a variant of Lava Bubble. The Thwomps are tricky, but for now, I'd prefer if Spiked Thwomp was in the base Thwomp article since it's clearly the counterpart to the version of Thwimp; Mega Thwomp would be the one to split as a variant, with the ''Four Swords Adventures'' Thwomp also in the base Thwomp article and noting that the Thwomp in that game has the qualities of the previous Spiked Thwomp (behavior) and Mega Thwomp (non-spiked), also considering the fact that even the ''Mario'' Thwomps may or may not have damaging spikes depending on the game. Head Thwomp should be a notable member of base Thwomp (or more specifically Spiked Thwomp). Of course, Yoshi Doll would be along the lines of Mario doll, Bowser doll, and Dolly. Then we have the maybes. Stone Elevator would be a variant or relative of Mega Thwomp, but like Manhandla, I'm unsure about an offshoot article. I was a little iffy on the ''Zelda'' Spark as seen on the talk page, but I'm coming around and I don't think I'd mind giving it fuller coverage; if that's the case, the ''Zelda'' Fire Snake could also potentially have an article as a variant or relative of Spark, since it was originally composed of Sparks in ''A Link to the Past''. Bombite isn't a Bob-omb explicitly, but it appears on the [[tcrf::File:LAGB-Gomi7.CGX.png|same pad]] as many ''Mario'' enemies and it has similarities to the Bob-ombs that eventually showed up in ''The Minish Cap'', so it may at least be a relative. Same goes for the <s>Arm-</s>Hollow Mimics, which acts as an alternative to Shy Guy. Terrorpin could possibly be considered a variant of Buzzy Beetle and has some similarities with Spiny, but I may have to look into that a bit further. Sea Urchins could be given their own article as you can say at this point that they've appeared in more ''Mario'' games than ''Zelda'' games. The whirlwind that appears when the Recorder is used could be article, given that the Recorder itself was from ''Zelda'' too. I'm not sure about giving characters like Tarin and the Cucco Keeper their own articles, as while they have physical similarities to Mario and Luigi, they don't have much in common besides former's like of mushrooms. Same goes for Talon and Ingo, and their ''Majora's Mask'' counterparts. Having said that, the raccoon/''tanuki'' transformation is an interesting connection, but I'm not sure where to cover it since they physically appear much later in ''Super Mario Sunshine'', with a distinct design ala ''Super Mario 64'' penguins. If I think of other possibilities, I'll let you know. Maybe run this by Doc if/when proposal passes. <small>And, uh, yw! Again, I endeavor to refrain from comments that can be perceived as strong the wrong way here, but last I checked, there is less cross-wiki activity than there used to be on NIWA. I think it's more about users having found their "cliques" and sticking there.</small> [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 19:01, April 16, 2022 (EDT)
:Responded about Deku Baba. By the way, I think part of the reason the ''Zelda'' series article failed is because of the understanding that it'd broaden the scope of the wiki to cover an unrelated franchise. That's not how I took it. I understood it to mean that it'd be more of a general article that'd mainly cover the ''Mario''-relevant games rather than the rest of the series. But yeah, seeing as how ''Link's Awakening'' is now considered the sole guest appearance, does that mean, for example, that the Spiny coverage from ''Link's Awakening'' will have to be moved to a completely different part of the article from ''Oracle of Seasons/Ages'', ''Four Swords'', and ''The Minish Cap''? Yuck. =p By the same token, I think the interwiki link proposal should be clearer that it's not affecting the NIWA template, Zelda Wiki's standing on NIWA itself, or even the appearance of such to readers - it's just making it a tad more honest among editors that it is currently (meaning for several years) part of both NIWA and Fandom, paradoxical though it may be. Outright ignoring the issue in plain sight is what is harming the integrity of all parties involved. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 09:50, April 24, 2022 (EDT)
::You did mention the NIWA template in the proposal as something you had a reservation on, but I didn't follow what you intended to do there regarding its presentation on the template, just that the interwiki link there probably had to be changed from <code><nowiki>[[zeldawiki:]]</nowiki></code> to <code><nowiki>{{fandom|zelda}}</nowiki></code> as I understand it. Did you mean to add "(on Fandom)" or something like that visible? I wouldn't be opposed to that either, but baby steps are better than nothing. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 10:24, April 24, 2022 (EDT)

== Clarification ==

You can rewrite your proposal within the first three (six for TPPs) days of creation, per rule 14, and what you added hardly qualifies as a rewrite anyway. So your edit was perfectly fine. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 13:07, April 13, 2022 (EDT)
:That's good to know. I asked a Mario Wiki staff member & they said it's fine per that reason you mentioned. Sorry if the proposal is a bit weird though :P [[User:Results May Vary|Results May Vary]] ([[User talk:Results May Vary|talk]]) 13:17, April 13, 2022 (EDT)

== RE:Mario Wiki scope ==

I support these ideas with a few caveats; as I've mentioned in the Proposals page, it's important to set clear distinctions between your planned features and the items that already exist, so you cause as little content redundancy as possible. I'm saying "as little as" because I imagine it's almost impossible to recount ties between the development histories of two fictionally-unrelated games without mentioning what is already covered by a "List of references" page somewhere.<br>On the topic of "coverage creep", so to speak, wait until you hear my proposition. I've been thinking for a while that we should extend our coverage of [[List of Mario references in film|Mario references in films]] by going beyond only artistic motion pictures. That would include documentaries and, of course... <div class="contentbox mw-collapsible mw-collapsed">pornography.</div> Regarding the latter, I've always been perplexed by the opening paragraph on the [[List of Mario references on the Internet]] page, stating that "This list does not include [...] content with pornography, sex, or other adult-based content that Nintendo has not acknowledged", despite the wiki's adamancy to pre-empt censorship. If something has a respectable degree of notability, even if it is not acknowledged by Nintendo, and makes some allusion to the wiki's pertinent franchise, what limits it from being covered here like other media is? Problem is, I have no idea to initiate a discussion on this topic; beyond being a little pudic about it myself, and having virtually no willingness to actually enact any decisions should there be a consensus, I'm not even really knowledgeable on examples. :P Regarding references to ''Mario'' in documentaries, this is a pretty rare occurence--I remember seeing a poster with a 1-Up Mushroom in a documentary film about Wikileaks, but I can't remember which film it, and it most certainly wasn't an intended reference to Mario anyway (see [https://www.marioboards.com/threads/43768/post-2266610 this explanation] by Glowsquid on a related forum topic). Anyway, both of these could be pretty contentious topics, but I think sooner or later they ought to be brought up somewhere. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 19:16, April 14, 2022 (EDT)

== RE:So many Nintendo Kids Space red links ==

Patience, friend. Soon, the world, as you know it, will change.<br>I gotta say, though, bringing content here over from another place is more tedious than it sounds, at least with my approach. Nevermind that I'm a slowpoke for days, too... Hope I'll be done with it by the end of the month. Currently on the final section of the site, which has manga strips that I'm gonna have to summarise individually. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 17:20, April 15, 2022 (EDT)
:No worries. I don't normally talk <small>(or vent)</small> about my work here, but when I do, I do it with passion! And even if your comment was meant to push me, that'd be more than welcome, 'cuz I'm lazy and need the motivation :)) {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 17:28, April 15, 2022 (EDT)
::Sorry for the double-posting, but I do want to ask you to let me know about any other interesting official ''Mario'' content you find specifically on the internet. Anything cut from the same cloth as Play Nintendo or social media, so to speak. Currently planning on making an article about that ''Odyssey'' photo contest you told me about, so please be on the lookout! {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 17:32, April 15, 2022 (EDT)
:::Eh, I'm just currently going through a rut of some sort, rendering me a little slower and less motivated than I usually am. Must be the seasonal changes lol, should go away in a few weeks. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 18:48, April 15, 2022 (EDT)

== Hello: ==

Hello once again. --[[User:DarkMatterMan4500|DarkMatterMan4500]] ([[User talk:DarkMatterMan4500|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/DarkMatterMan4500|contribs]]) 10:46, April 18, 2022 (EDT)

== RE: Porple D Joke ==
Lol, that D joke thing was a trip. Kind of hard to explain the context, it's been so long, but I was teasing him about being slow at demoting a rogue admin and he told me to shut the f- up uncensored and it was an iconic moment for me. Being talked to like that from the site owner was hilarious. Yes, Porple started a community of closely linked, related wikis. It all started with a Wario Wiki and a Donkey Kong Wiki as a trial run of sorts, but things didn't really progress that way. They weren't very popular. We still have the NIWA community which is pretty much what the dream was, I just ''think'' Porple wanted to be the one to make them all, lol and not just be affiliated with them. 

Another thing we used to have was Banjo-Kazooie and Conker articles on this very wiki when that Donkey Kong Wiki failed. The idea was that Diddy Kong Racing was so ingrated with MarioWiki, that Banjo and Conker were seen as sub-series to Mario, but most ended up disagreeing with the choice, myself included. I love Banjo! I just don't think it's a Mario sub-series ''at all''. {{User:Paper Jorge/sig}}

== Reason for ban ==

“other disturbing behaviors within affiliate communities”

Does this mean he caused trouble enough around NIWA?

{{User:Remembered Old Buddy/sig}}
:From what I heard, it was down to nasty stuff he said to other community members in places like discord. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 14:47, May 21, 2022 (EDT)
::He stalked and harassed a few people, had a tendency to subtly lie and gaslight, and whenever he'd get blocked from anywhere his main recourse was to scream every slur he could think of at them. His biggest deception, though, was making us think he had actually improved as a person. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 15:02, May 21, 2022 (EDT)