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| | style="padding-left:10px"|<center>[[File:SMW Star.gif]]'''Important!'''[[File:SMW Star.gif]]</center>All my replies to your messages are done on ''this talk page'', ''not'' on your talk page; it's easier to read our conversations! If you have left a message on my talk page, please do check my talk page from time to time if I have responded to it! | | | style="padding-left:10px"|<center>[[File:SMW Star.gif]]'''Important!'''[[File:SMW Star.gif]]</center>This user replies to messages made on this talk page directly on this talk page, ''not'' on the poster's talk page. If you have left a message on my talk page, please do check my talk page from time to time if I have responded to it! |
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| | style="padding-left:10px"|[[MarioWiki:BJAODN/Lists#List_of_power-ups|This user's pronouns are '''she/her'''!]] | | | style="padding-left:10px"|[[MarioWiki:BJAODN/Items#List_of_power-ups|This user's pronouns are '''she/her'''!]] |
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| [[File:My Nintendo Mario's Head.png|thumb|Suddenly, a short man wearing a blue and red outfit, ever so casual, with a bulbous nose, bright sapphire eyes and a multi-swoosh mustache, bombs through the door, eyes dilated, almost scared out of his pale skin. Luigi looks over, Daisy flipping looks from one man to one --- child? Man? She couldn't tell --- in shock. The differences were there, like Luigi had a double-swoop mustache and a taller head, the other looking short on all angles. Even his idea was short.]]
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| Is [https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Mrs._Shroomlock&curid=2011&diff=4225259&oldid=4103320 this edit] going too far with descriptions again? Particularly the dress description. [[User:Super Mario RPG|Super Mario RPG]] ([[User talk:Super Mario RPG|talk]]) 17:09, May 24, 2024 (EDT) | | Is [https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Mrs._Shroomlock&curid=2011&diff=4225259&oldid=4103320 this edit] going too far with descriptions again? Particularly the dress description. [[User:Super Mario RPG|Super Mario RPG]] ([[User talk:Super Mario RPG|talk]]) 17:09, May 24, 2024 (EDT) |
| :Yes, I've undone the edits. {{User:Mario/sig}} 17:21, May 24, 2024 (EDT) | | :Yes, I've undone the edits. {{User:Mario/sig}} 17:21, May 24, 2024 (EDT) |
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| [[File:MarioParty4USCommercial.png|thumb|Mario is so relentless at dominating his rivals in party games that he has hundreds wrenches of the differing sizes to pry open the games' source codes and change them so all his opponents become bumbling, yellow garlic-huffing fodder.]]
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| Hello. I saw that you added the datamine references for the foreign names of the [[Sandwiched]] minigame from [[Super Mario Party Jamboree]]. I was wondering what tool I should use to extract and view the text strings of the languages in this game like you did. Thanks. --[[User:GDias|GDias]] ([[User talk:GDias|talk]]) 13:30, October 20, 2024 (EDT) | | Hello. I saw that you added the datamine references for the foreign names of the [[Sandwiched]] minigame from [[Super Mario Party Jamboree]]. I was wondering what tool I should use to extract and view the text strings of the languages in this game like you did. Thanks. --[[User:GDias|GDias]] ([[User talk:GDias|talk]]) 13:30, October 20, 2024 (EDT) |
| :Hi, thanks for asking. This is an involved multistep process and I don't know if you're familiar with general file management in the computer and whatnot, but I'll do a summary in the quickest way I can. | | :Hi, thanks for asking. This is an involved multistep process and I don't know if you're familiar with general file management in the computer and whatnot, but I'll do a summary in the quickest way I can. |
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| :#Open <code>message~enUS.nx.bea</code>, open the folders inside this archive, find <code>im_mg.msbt</code> ("mg" is abbreviated for "minigame" in the file partition typically). You'll see a list of minigames under generic names. The first one is <code>im_mg0101_name</code> and it corresponds to <code>Lumber Tumble</code>. This name "im_mg0101" is found in the other languages, so if you open <code>message~frCA.nx.bea</code> (frCA = French Canadian) in the same manner and look for that same <code>im_mg.msbt</code>, check the field for <code>im_mg0101</code> which will be Canadian French for Lumber Tumble (Pont en déconstruction). | | :#Open <code>message~enUS.nx.bea</code>, open the folders inside this archive, find <code>im_mg.msbt</code> ("mg" is abbreviated for "minigame" in the file partition typically). You'll see a list of minigames under generic names. The first one is <code>im_mg0101_name</code> and it corresponds to <code>Lumber Tumble</code>. This name "im_mg0101" is found in the other languages, so if you open <code>message~frCA.nx.bea</code> (frCA = French Canadian) in the same manner and look for that same <code>im_mg.msbt</code>, check the field for <code>im_mg0101</code> which will be Canadian French for Lumber Tumble (Pont en déconstruction). |
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| :Now, I don't want you to scare you away with this, and I could offer more detailed explanations how I got there (that'll really bog down the process), but if you're willing to get your gloves a little dirty, this is definitely rewarding. It really opens up a lot of other opportunities, like you can decompile other Switch games and find their foreign names, or you can extract sprites and models, even animations to go with the models (the reason I uploaded some Super Mario Bros. Wonder renders). | | :Now, I don't want you to scare you away with this, and I could offer more detailed explanations how I got there (that'll really bog down the process), but if you're willing to get your gloves a little dirty, this is definitely rewarding. It really opens up a lot of other opportunities, like you can decompile other Switch games and find their foreign names, or you can extract sprites and models, even animations to go with the models (the reason I uploaded some Super Mario Bros. Wonder renders). {{User:Mario/sig}} 16:33, October 20, 2024 (EDT) |
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| :By the way, I don't think it's legal for me to just provide the <code>im_mg.msbt</code> for each corresponding language file due to the file format being proprietary but maybe there are ways to convert msbt into a readable table. I did manage to extract one msbt to a csv file, readable by spreadsheet applications such as Excel and LibreOffice. {{User:Mario/sig}} 16:33, October 20, 2024 (EDT)
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| ::Update: Good news, I've converted these files to a more readable csv format, so if anyone is interested, check the official server in [[MarioWiki:Discord servers]]. Sorry that I can't provide another way to access it for those who don't like Discord. I will explore other options if needed. {{User:Mario/sig}} 17:23, October 20, 2024 (EDT)
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| :::Another update, check out the spreadsheet I put together for [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VwcvvuzRu9YvyVr3LRlOm6YLCre6WsXROBtfTHnBwso/edit?usp=sharing Super Mario Party Jamboree's minigames in other languages]. {{User:Mario/sig}} 18:13, October 20, 2024 (EDT)
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| I thought through carefully about some of the things I'd like to continue doing. One of them is still updating the citations as necessary. Another is making sure gallery pages aren't too short, otherwise they'd need re-merge. Some of the "History of" articles need to be readded still, if they're under 150,000 bytes. I want to revise like ''[[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]'', since I have a feeling some of the older games has writing that needs to be updated. [[User:Super Mario RPG|Super Mario RPG]] ([[User talk:Super Mario RPG|talk]]) 17:54, October 21, 2024 (EDT)
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| From what I could tell, most people were in support of icons staying that way (I'm far from the only person who uploads them in that manner), and that much was stated in at least a few of the opposition votes - that some should be at their native dimensions, but not all, and not none. Calling that consistent data "utter bullshit" I do ''not'' appreciate. The reminder was less for the reversion and more the wordlessness of it, as it ultimately came off as "I'm too important to engage in any way, let alone listen to any reasons or give any counterpoints," as that is indeed edit warring to force a change in one fell swoop on ''55'' images that has not been discussed and goes against how we deal with that sort of image historically. Anyways, if there is going to be debate on what has been an unofficial rule for years now, I've made a different proposal that is more aligned with this specific issue. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 15:53, October 28, 2024 (EDT)
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| :While Mario's curt words may have been harsh, it came out of sincere frustration from what staff saw as very discourteous actions from you.
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| :From the perspective of staff, it seemed like you abandoned a proposal that was not going in the direction you wanted to (which was perfectly fine for you to do) and then imposed your interpretation onto the actions of a fellow user anyways, citing "unwritten rule" that are absolutely not followed by everyone involved with assets on the site. I do not want to put words in Mario's mouth, but I at least thought that was 100% not okay and was discourteous to everyone who shared their perspective in that proposal (including Mario and Ray Trace, who are sprite and asset rippers themselves). You are one of the most active users on the wiki. You must have known that that was not okay. - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 18:42, October 28, 2024 (EDT)
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| ::It's also not OK to revert a change (on ''55'' pages with a single fell swoop upload!) without even an attempt at contact. That's where the "edit warring" came into play, and TBF was far more discourteous, as it came off as an "I'm too important to engage". Given {{file link|MarioOlympicGames icon.png|another user}} also was reverting their icon crops for a different game for the exact same reasons at the same time, it seemed perfectly fine. And you yourself said there was a place for keeping the full parameters when it was to the wiki's benefit on that proposal. Had that user at least left me a message on that subject or added a summary, then I'd have probably let it be. But they didn't, and that just comes off as incredibly dismissive. So you should understand that I too was feeling frustrated about that. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 18:47, October 28, 2024 (EDT)
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| You... do realize the current proposal ''explicitly'' does ''not'' require the native dimensions, right? Because your comments and arguments were still revolving around it doing so. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 01:09, October 31, 2024 (EDT)
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| :Yes I do realize. I had to make major changes to my first comment after rereading your proposal. After that, that's not my argument. {{User:Mario/sig}} 02:11, October 31, 2024 (EDT)
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| == [[Special:Diff/4429551]] ==
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| The citations in the intro section of the [[KONG Letters]] page made it a slog to edit, so I attempted to clean it up using a different system for citing sources. Is this okey-dokey, or does it add other problems that make the previous code preferrable? {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 06:41, November 12, 2024 (EST)
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| :Is there a way to cite the particular page number when the same source is cited multiple times? {{User:Mario/sig}} 21:17, November 12, 2024 (EST)
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| ::I looked up some time ago how official American style guides do it and found [https://web.archive.org/web/20221203145608/https://www.studyhood.com/english/mla_style.htm this] <small>(studyhood.com, section "ORDER OF ELEMENTS FOR A BOOK REFERENCE" (2nd))</small> for MLA and [https://libguides.up.edu/chicago/short_form this] <small>(libguides.up.edu)</small> for Chicago Manual of Style. To synthetize what both these guides recommend: the first time a source is cited, list the rigmarole that you normally would (author last name, author first name, publication date, title, publisher etc.); if the document then requires that you cite a different page from the same source, use a shortened form that contains the bare necessities.<br>The two style guides may prioritize different such "bare necessities" for shortform citations. MLA dictates that you should use the author's last name and the relevant page if you source only one work by that author, and additionally list a shortened form of the work's title if you cite multiple works by that author on the same document. Chicago, on the other hand, dictates that you always use the author's last name, title of work (again, a short form!), and page name even if you only cite one work by that author.<br>Shortform citations help cut down on redundant information. Their usefulness has already led me to [[Big Penguin#References|integrate]] [[Stretch Shroom#References|this brand of citations]] in articles. However, since the wiki doesn't strictly follow an official style guide (especially concerning citations), I've been taking the liberty of always writing the work's entire title rather than resorting to a self-created variant of that title, which IMO falls in line with the wiki's general stance on conjectural names. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 18:26, November 13, 2024 (EST)
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| :::Makes sense vs doing repetitive footnotes. Even if wiki policy says you must always do this, I'd recommend ignoring the rules THAT time. :> {{User:Mario/sig}} 19:43, November 14, 2024 (EST)
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| == Spreading some WikiLove...! ==
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| Looks like not even [[MarioWiki:WikiLove|WikiLove]] can escape the clutches of Wario! Hope you enjoy this new title. --{{User:OmegaRuby/sig}} 08:26, December 6, 2024 (EST)
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| :I DON'T EVEN WORK HERE, OMEGA RUBY.... You're really asking for sapphires in your Christmas stockings this year! {{User:Mario/sig}} 20:25, December 17, 2024 (EST)
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| ::In the true spirit of Wario: MORE MONEY FOR ME! {{User:OmegaRuby/sig}} 07:59, December 18, 2024 (EST)
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| == My Lord! The enemy is building a dike to the side of Fan Castle! ==
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| {{User:Ray Trace/sig}} 21:37, December 20, 2024 (EST)
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| :A dike? Oh no! {{User:Mario/sig}} 21:44, December 20, 2024 (EST)
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| == Congrats ==
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| Congrats on the promotion. [[User:Super Mario RPG|Super Mario RPG]] ([[User talk:Super Mario RPG|talk]]) 18:22, December 24, 2024 (EST)
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| : You've done it! (Becoming a bureaucrat!)
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| The day has finally come - Mario has officially became a bureaucrat on the Mario Wiki! Quite a joyous celebration, especially since it's on Christmas Eve.
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| To celebrate your amazing accomplishment, I have dug up this commemorative photo of Mario's friends witnessing a triumphant victory over Wario. Look! He's punched in the face by our hero!
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| May you serve well as a bureaucrat, and continue showing no mercy against that yellow troublemaker! '''WAHOO!!''' Congratulations! {{User:Sparks/sig}} 22:08, December 24, 2024 (EST)
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| :Thanks to all who serve the wiki! May this toast bring further Wario misery for the years to come! {{User:Mario/sig}} 15:03, December 26, 2024 (EST)
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| ::Congratulations! --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 15:55, December 26, 2024 (EST)
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| Horribly late, but congratulations for your promotion! Definitely deserved considering your activity here is really something else (I think I read like 15 years? My gosh…)! At this point the only thing missing is the logical next step: Mario owning the Super Mario Wiki. You should move fast, I heard there is some planet-owning ultra fat guy in yellow and purple overalls who is eyeing said purchase…—[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 11:21, January 3, 2025 (EST)
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| :{{@|Mister Wu}} I've always seen Mario as the site owner, to be honest, since it matches Mario being the protagonist of the ''Super Mario'' franchise. Bureaucrat is the highest rank, and the only thing missing is that she does not host the wiki directly. [[User:Super Mario RPG|Super Mario RPG]] ([[User talk:Super Mario RPG|talk]]) 11:37, January 3, 2025 (EST)
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| ::Wha? Planet-owning? I thought subjugated Fat Idiot Man Land (Wario's name, not mine) earlier.
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| ::And YES I've been here around 15 years, probably longer than some users being alive! It's been quite a ride, haha, and I definitely prefer my upcoming 30s than my teen years when I joined! You can definitely see the difference in how I posted at 2009-2010 vs 2024-2025! Wait... I joined at 14, I'm turning 30 this year... I've been spending over half my life having an account here? Mama mia. {{User:Mario/sig}} 13:48, January 3, 2025 (EST)
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| [[File:Mario.png|3px|center|Don't let the microscopic Mario know he's here.]]
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| == Main page ==
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| [[File:Wario (Chain Gear) - Mario Strikers Battle League.png|thumb|left|130px|Wario studies the main page (which has been protected to prevent him from editing)]]
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| I was wondering if you had any input that you wanted to provide over the [[Talk:Main Page#Other changes?|main page]]. There's been a few things I'd been considering, and another user also gave input about the to-do tasklist. I'm glad that there's now a to-do list on the main page, but it kind of feels like a bit is missing.
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| When I did that proposal, I thought ''Super Mario''-themed images were going to correspond to each task on the front page, like Nookipedia on theirs. A ''Super Mario'' theme, at least to each of the to do list graphics, could inspire newcomers and editors alike. The social media links aren't grouped together either, like on Nookipedia's front page, and I think the last time a main page proposal was done, most wanted the icons together but others didn't want the complete design of the main page proposed.
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| Also, I'm glad you helped clean up the display of a user page. [[User:3Dejong|This one]] utilizes a similar dark green background and may need to be fixed as well, though the text color's different. [[User:Super Mario RPG|Super Mario RPG]] ([[User talk:Super Mario RPG|talk]]) 15:00, December 26, 2024 (EST)
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| :Thank you for the inquiry. Just for the sake of conversation, my responses will be on [[Talk:Main Page]].
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| :And yes, I'm going to have to change several talk pages for readability reasons too. I do believe we have a passed proposal[https://www.mariowiki.com/MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/58#Make_tables.2C_templates.2C_and_other_areas_in_the_mainspace_compliant_with_WCAG_2.1] that's intended to reduce these readability problems in the wiki. Its scope, however, is limited to mainspace rather than userspace, so we may need to extend this proposal to cover at least backgrounds that span entire user pages, basically areas that are going to be text heavy (so infoboxes and userboxes may be exempt, just to avoid being draconian about contrast). {{User:Mario/sig}} 15:09, December 26, 2024 (EST)
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| ::I think for inactive users it's one thing, but if we're to do such a proposal, I think it would be guidelines for users to follow who are currently active. [[User:Super Mario RPG|Super Mario RPG]] ([[User talk:Super Mario RPG|talk]]) 15:12, December 26, 2024 (EST)
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| :::Yeah, for active users perhaps they're just guidelines, you don't have to follow, but if other users request a change and there's enough others chiming in, then it's best to use guidelines to help you pick your colors. We have signature policy already that limits what users do just for the usability's sake, so it wouldn't be too extreme to have color guidelines for userspace as well. {{User:Mario/sig}} 15:16, December 26, 2024 (EST)
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| ::::There's a user page that had a dark blue background with red text (arguably less readable than the dark green background) and it was copy pasted onto another user page, which could not be considered efficient for maintenance in case of broken file links. [[User:Super Mario RPG|Super Mario RPG]] ([[User talk:Super Mario RPG|talk]]) 19:51, December 26, 2024 (EST)
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| The proposal was about content from within explicit media; the section on the Internet references list concerns strictly website figures, which are perfectly innocuous. Also, you don't have to beat others over the head with the fact that you're an admin. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 19:50, December 26, 2024 (EST)
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| :I'm going to take discussion to [[Talk:List_of_references_on_the_Internet]]. As for the second remark, please assume good faith in my edit summary: I brought up my status to try to diffuse a potential argument taking place here. I'd rather avoid an edit war over this all together. {{User:Mario/sig}} 20:04, December 26, 2024 (EST)
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| == Two changes to main page ==
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| [[File:SMRL-Line-DryBones-Soccer.gif|thumb|Yes, looks like a feature I've known since I first registered here now has the lights mostly shut out. Farewell. ⚽]]
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| The main page talk is a bit disorganized, since I've been brainstorming on how to give more of a ''Super Mario'' personality to the front page. The to-do list aside, I felt I'd give the summary thus far. There are two other things that I like about Nookipedia's front page, including how each of the subjects at the upper right have a corresponding illustration and how the social media links are grouped together. I think that if we're to figure out the corresponding images for the to do list on the front page, each of the subjects could probably benefit from a similar type of illustration if we can find the right type.
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| I've made an attempt to replicate both the images and social media links on my [[User:Super Mario RPG/sandbox|sandbox]] page, though it's definitely not the finalized design. [[User:Super Mario RPG|Super Mario RPG]] ([[User talk:Super Mario RPG|talk]]) 18:58, December 27, 2024 (EST)
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| :Reminds me of [https://zeldawiki.wiki/wiki/Main_Page ZeldaWiki's main page]. I believe the images create too much empty room and make the main page too cluttered. Bullet list works to me unless someone can pitch in and create specialized assets for the main page akin to our custom logo. If we must use images, they will need to be compact, like in Nookipedia. {{User:Mario/sig}} 19:00, December 27, 2024 (EST)
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| ::Yeah, the images definitely need to be different and, as you said, compact. Those were just example images, but I still think they show that there's potential to be had for the representative images.
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| ::Are the social media icons okay? I put the text of the site names between, which should prob be integrated on my sandbox, but those were markers for me while testing as I listed one after the other (i.e. Bluesky, X, Discord, and the forums) that will probably make navigation to other outlets of the site much easier. I think [[MarioWiki:Chat]] could be removed from the front page since I don't think anyone uses that either. [[User:Super Mario RPG|Super Mario RPG]] ([[User talk:Super Mario RPG|talk]]) 19:07, December 27, 2024 (EST)
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| :::Yeah, I can see icons working, but I just am a stickler for cute graphics. :3 Anyhow, just for the sake of clarity, I (with chat op approval) removed the chat link (end of era, moment of silence; it was here since I registered) {{User:Mario/sig}} 21:36, December 27, 2024 (EST)
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| ==FINALLY following up on the Thieves category thing==
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| Yo! We finally sat down and consolidated everything in regards to the conversation held in [[Category talk:Thieves]] towards the start of the year. Let us know on there if we missed anything, or if there are any last minute objections to what articles to prune/add. {{User:Camwoodstock/sig}} 15:23, December 30, 2024 (EST)
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| There's something about that infoboxes that I never really liked. They look too blocky, whereas the style of this site has a round mushroom graphic, a round main page, and round tabs, making it inconsistent. I remember proposing about a year ago for round infobox and navigation template, but it failed mainly since the community (at least then) didn't want round navigation templates. I was wondering if you felt similar. Taking a look on Nookipedia, I like the personality that the infoboxes have there. I'm not saying we need to copy those over directly, but I think it would be nice to see if the wiki could take more inspiration from the Nookipedia infoboxes.
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| Also, when you said you're a stickler for cute graphics, I think that works as well because then this could help establish the tone of the ''Super Mario'' franchise around the wiki. I hope we can see more of that around the wiki, and I imagine {{@|Sparks}} would like that as well. [[User:Super Mario RPG|Super Mario RPG]] ([[User talk:Super Mario RPG|talk]]) 13:47, December 31, 2024 (EST)
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| :I would support this idea! {{User:Sparks/sig}} 14:01, December 31, 2024 (EST)
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| ::There has to be a reason to justify the new infoboxes design rather than a preference for rounded edges. Nookipedia's infoboxes probably work better since the articles there are much more heavily reliant on repetitive spread-sheet like information. I do think the infoboxes here work fine, but is there a particular design, rather than the blockiness, you have in mind? {{User:Mario/sig}} 13:01, January 1, 2025 (EST)
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| :::Basically the infoboxes that we already have but with round edges. I suppose not everyone may agree or see a practical purpose behind it, but my reason was due to consistency with the aforementioned round elements of this wiki's design. [[User:Super Mario RPG|Super Mario RPG]] ([[User talk:Super Mario RPG|talk]]) 13:05, January 1, 2025 (EST)
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| Do you think that Nintendo101's franchise pages will each organize information about nearly everything that isn't in the ''Super Mario'' franchise? I think I've stated a few times that I think ''The Legend of Zelda'' articles in the community garden subpage is a great idea to clean up and organize ''The Legend of Zelda'' content when it involves ''Super Mario'', though my other concern is the waters being muddied with ''Super Smash Bros.'' on the franchise pages, whether the wikitables and galleries for the SSB material exists or not. [[User:Super Mario RPG|Super Mario RPG]] ([[User talk:Super Mario RPG|talk]]) 21:19, January 2, 2025 (EST)
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| :You should query Nintendo101 for that matter! I believe he has a much better idea of what his vision for these pages will be! {{User:Mario/sig}} 21:30, January 2, 2025 (EST)
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| ::Maybe {{@|Nintendo101}} could provide input here? [[User:Super Mario RPG|Super Mario RPG]] ([[User talk:Super Mario RPG|talk]]) 21:31, January 2, 2025 (EST)
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| :::I envision at least three major sections (on crossover articles specifically) as follows ( will use Zelda as an example):
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| :::#A history section for the <u>''Super Mario'' franchise</u>, highlighting scenarios where ''Zelda'' is alluded to or integrated in a ''Mario'' game (in this case, including ''Donkey Kong'', ''Wario'', ''Yoshi'', ''Mario Party'', ''Paper Mario'', etc.). This pretty much matches how history sections are organized throughout most other articles on the site.
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| :::#A history section for the <u>''Zelda'' franchise</u>, highlighting scenarios where ''Mario'' is alluded to or integrated in a ''Zelda'' game
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| :::#A history section for <u>mutually shared space</u>, like high profile crossovers where ''Mario'' and ''Zelda'' interact, such as ''Super Smash Bros.'', ''Captain Rainbow'', and ''NES Remix''. I do not yet know how in-depth this section should be, but these are notable instances where the franchises interact in an official capacity.
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| :::The [[User:Nintendo101/community garden|example article]] I have drafted is structured that way, currently. I do <u>not</u> see it being applied to to the history sections for normal subject articles (like Chain Chomps, Shy Guys, Wart, etc.) where an enemy or object makes an occasional appearance outside of ''Mario''. - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 21:44, January 2, 2025 (EST)
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| ::::I admittedly still feel down over the fact that my Pokemon proposal got overturned since it was shoehorned into that omnibus ''Super Smash Bros.'' proposal. I liked the proposal because it had great ideas for handling the ''SSB'' coverage, but not that it affected a proposal that I made despite, even though Pokemon in SSB are referenceable on at least a few other NIWA wikis. [[User:Super Mario RPG|Super Mario RPG]] ([[User talk:Super Mario RPG|talk]]) 13:27, January 3, 2025 (EST)
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| :::::To be honest I just forgot that proposal since the discussion below was a quite a show(no offense)! You garnered some support regardless. Maybe you can work off what worked and what didn't work, and try again. {{User:Mario/sig}} 13:54, January 3, 2025 (EST)
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| == Here for Advice ==
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| Good day, friend. Do you have a moment to <s>talk about our lord and savior Yoshi</s> answer a question? More or less looking for some advice, as being a patroller is new to me, but I do have a simple question. I understand that the red ! on edits are edits that have yet to be patrolled. Are we looking to make sure those red ! are gone and cleared? I'll admit, being added to the patrollers is a morale booster for me so I wanna make sure I'm contributing in ways I feel I can so I'm just looking for advice. {{User:Tails777/sig}}
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| :The lord and savior Noshi? Sure! I think Noshi is extra special and deserves to be promoted to major Mario character one day. For our recent changes, I'm not asking you to clear an entire column of red ! BUT it's appreciated even if you do clear a couple. Our admins don't do this regularly, and I can't be here 24/7 to clear these all, but it'll make it slightly easier if you reviewed edits and marked them! I'm thinking about reinstating autopatrol to make this job even easier too at some point. {{User:Mario/sig}} 18:34, January 3, 2025 (EST)
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| ::Honestly, reviewing edits is definitely something I can do. It could easily lead to further things I can help out with. Thanks for answering. I will also be sure to pass word to Nintendo about giving Noshi extra attention. {{User:Tails777/sig}}
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| == Main page colors ==
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| [[File:Cursor Wario - Mario Party Superstars.png|thumb|left|If I didn't destroy Wario, Wario would've farted on this page and made the text yellow on purple background, which would be quite horrible for your eyes.]]
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| I just remembered you mentioned a proposal about visual accessibility on mainspace, of which the Main Page is also included. Since the main page colors have been bothering my eyes for a while now. I've taken a look at the five heading colors on the front page and got these results from webaim.org when using #FFF on them:
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| *'''Featured article heading''' (#009D00). It has a contrast ratio of 3.6:1. It fails the WCAG AA and WCAG AAA tests when it's small text, but as large text it passes at WCAG AA but not WCAG AAA.
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| *'''Mario & Nintendo news''' (#1C49FF). Contrast ratio is 6.09:1. It only fails WCAG AAA small text.
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| *'''Community poll''' (#9B04FF). Contrast ratio is 5.44:1. It only fails WCAG AAA small text, like the aforementioned.
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| *'''Did you know''' (#FF8000). Contrast ratio is 2.51:1. It fails both small and large WCAG AA and AAA tests.
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| *'''Mushroom World Encyclopedia''' (#FF4868). Contrast ratio is 3.29:1. It fails both small and large AAA tests and passes only the large text AA.
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| *'''The Shroom''' (#EC0000). Contrast ratio is 4.59:1. It only fails WCAG AAA small text.
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| Now granted, the border colors weren't in these tests, and they may affect the results of a few of them. But at least one of the headings is not meeting the WCAG AA guidelines, the Did you know. [[User:Super Mario RPG|Super Mario RPG]] ([[User talk:Super Mario RPG|talk]]) 12:29, January 5, 2025 (EST)
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| :I feel like you should raise this in the talk page for the main page. I personally like the saturated playful colors, but if people agree they seem too difficult to read, maybe we can find something that works. {{User:Mario/sig}} 22:24, January 5, 2025 (EST)
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| == What did Wario do to you ==
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| Look at those abs, Mario could never (I mean I could never either but still). Are you just jealous of him?
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| [[File:3DS WarioWareGold-Amiibo-Wario.png]]<br>
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| [[User:Technetium|Technetium]] ([[User talk:Technetium|talk]]) 22:49, January 5, 2025 (EST)
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| :I don't have any issue with his appearance! I don't judge. He can be fat and pink-nosed for all I care. He can have the face of Brad Pitt! It's just that his sore-loser attitude, his greedy behavior, his arrogance, and his poor hygiene I can't stand! {{User:Mario/sig}} 22:02, January 8, 2025 (EST)
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| == A rare specimen... ==
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| [[File:Random pic.jpg|thumb|left|An anime characters with swirly eyes in 3D/CGI. A rare speciment, indeed. Treat with caution and care.]] It's not everyday you see anime characters have facial expressions like this in 3D/CGI. Protect it from Wah-ser at all costs! [[File:MP8 Bowser Candy Wario.png]] --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 10:28, January 6, 2025 (EST)
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| :Why did you invite this Wahser in the talk page to begin with??? I thought I had pretty decent anti-Wario defenses on this, but turns out maybe not? Sighhh. *takes out the Wario proof spray*. {{User:Mario/sig}} 18:36, January 10, 2025 (EST)
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| == cleanup ==
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| Can we also clean up [[User:Shroobario|this user page]]? It's hard to read. Thank god the wiki's way past those days, to be honest. It appeared to be an absolute nightmare for accessibility. [[User:Super Mario RPG|Super Mario RPG]] ([[User talk:Super Mario RPG|talk]]) 15:53, January 8, 2025 (EST)
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| :It's been done. {{User:Mario/sig}} 18:33, January 10, 2025 (EST)
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| == BROTHER DUN!! I LEAVE THE REST TO YOU! ==
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| {{User:Ray Trace/sig}} 10:00, January 14, 2025 (EST)
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| 🥬🥬🥬🥬🥬🥬 He left the lettuce to me. {{User:Mario/sig}} 00:49, January 16, 2025 (EST)
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| == I'm confused ==
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| [[File:SMS sunglasses and shirt.png|thumb|Mario's terrible and sensitive blue eyes mandate he wears both a hat and strong sunglasses to read user pages with red backgrounds and bright green text. Due to ongoing regulations respecting private property he cannot change these to his liking.]]
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| [https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=User:The_RPG_Gamer&curid=202100&diff=4568499&oldid=4568244 Why was this reverted?] I thought we were allowed to clean up older user pages with accessibility issues. Besides that, this user page had a lot of broken file links as well. [[User:Super Mario RPG|Super Mario RPG]] ([[User talk:Super Mario RPG|talk]]) 09:38, January 15, 2025 (EST)
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| :I personally wouldn't touch smaller cases of color contrast problems and other minor formatting. Dealing with userspaces requires some caution and I generally act only in cases where it's detrimental to reading the page as a whole. Everything else, including broken links, should probably be unchanged. {{User:Mario/sig}} 11:23, January 15, 2025 (EST)
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| ::I will agree that the pages with the wiki content is definitely more important that they do not have color contrast issues because readers will mostly see those. I admittedly did the editing and maintenance to that user page because it was right there when there was a conflict over a comment on the talk page. Can a proposal be made about the color contrast issues? Mainly over newer user pages, which are more likely to be seen than users who are long gone. [[User:Super Mario RPG|Super Mario RPG]] ([[User talk:Super Mario RPG|talk]]) 13:15, January 15, 2025 (EST)
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| :::{{@|Super Mario RPG}} I generally view user pages as places on the wiki up to some personal discretion and artistic expression. Fixing broken directs and file links is one thing, but I have reservations for changing the infrastructure or written text on the page without the involvement or consent of the the original user, regardless of how active they are. If changes like that were to be carried out, I think they are best kept in the hands of staff.
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| :::Accessibility and readability are important, but user pages are {{wp|inside baseball (metaphor)|inside baseball}} - most traffic coming to this site are people wanting to read articles. Nearly everyone who visits user pages are users themselves, and even then the odds are likely low, especially if it is the page of an inactive user. Even if a user page does have issues with readability or color contrast, do they really need to be fixed? - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 15:47, January 15, 2025 (EST)
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| ::::{{@|Nintendo101}} I can see why it could be perceived as insignificant, and I already stated above that the content is the most important thing to focus on. The main idea here is that how this began when Mario fixed the color issues on Phoenix's user page, presumably as a matter of just so happening to stumble upon the user page, rather than actively searching for various user pages to make accessible in accordance to web accessibility guidelines. Artistic expression can still be conveyed using accessible colors on user pages. [[User:Super Mario RPG|Super Mario RPG]] ([[User talk:Super Mario RPG|talk]]) 16:58, January 15, 2025 (EST)
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| :::::I understand that, but why does it matter if a user page uses inaccessible colors? — [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 17:23, January 15, 2025 (EST)
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| ::::::The same question could also be asked to Mario. My reasoning is visual accessibility, in case someone were to stumble upon such user pages. Some of those ancient user pages hurt my eyes because the background would sometimes be more or less the same color as the text, making it unreadable without highlighting. Giving everyone the freedom to clean up accessibility issues on user pages would be too chaotic, though, which I will admit. [[User:Super Mario RPG|Super Mario RPG]] ([[User talk:Super Mario RPG|talk]]) 17:43, January 15, 2025 (EST)
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| :::::::In that case, I would still leave them alone. I only edited pages of inactive admins and older users that had sufficient time in the community just because they may have slightly more visibility than the other pages. If users are active, then you should politely tell them that their userpage needs to be accessible. Otherwise, no need to do much. {{User:Mario/sig}} 21:03, January 15, 2025 (EST)
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| == Templates ==
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| [[File:MvDK NS Mario Handstand.png|thumb|left|132px|Mario attempts to approach this problem from a different angle, sniffing for scrapbook pages like some sort of pasta hound.]]
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| Hi, first of all I'm grateful that you and others in this community have given me a chance to redeem myself after some mistakes like those templates. I think the Main page's to do list has been highly useful and inspirational for enacting proposals or cleanup.
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| Secondly, I wanted to know your thoughts on {{tem|DKC GBA enemy}}. The reason why I created it some time back (for the first two ''Country'' remakes) is because there's unique bits of data structure associated with them, especially the DK Attack scores in the first game's remake and the scrapbook locations of both games. It's based on {{tem|SMG boss}} and {{tem|SMG2 boss}}, which similarly have unique bits of data.
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| Now, Gunther added DKC3 GBA to the template, though the problem there is that there isn't a time attack or scrapbook associated, nor any photo album group in the enemy credits like the original Super Nintendo ''Country 3''. That means in-game data and information associated with those enemies are indistinct from regular platformers, unless one wants to look at it with a ''Donkey Kong'' background.
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| I was wondering what your take on this is. Due to indistinct parameters applying to DKC3 enemies (in the remake, at least), I've brought this up on Gunther's talk page and asked that he don't do anything unless we hear a response from you or another staff member about this. The original DKC3 actually had the Photo Album classifications at the end, so I think the three templates could be split to DKC enemy, DKC2 enemy, and DKC3 enemy for efficiency (something I brought up on Gunther's talk page). [[User:Super Mario RPG|Super Mario RPG]] ([[User talk:Super Mario RPG|talk]]) 14:41, January 18, 2025 (EST)
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| :As with {{tem|SMG boss}}, I do think it's not quite as useful to summarize this information into the stats page. The stats page are intended to organize verbiage into something more easily gleaned, such as an array of character traits including speed, power, health, and so on. If you can write information into prose, then I don't think this is really necessary. Most enemy and obstacle articles don't have these kinds of tables to summarize information like this, and I'm not sure if scrapbook or score attack numbers are enough to have to put them in a stat page rather than in the history section of the article. {{User:Mario/sig}} 19:21, January 18, 2025 (EST)
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| == Deleting templates ==
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| [[File:MvDK NS Bubble Mario.png|40px|right]]
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| Generally speaking, we don't delete-delete those, we use {{tem|abandoned}} on them so it doesn't eff up old page revisions if you look in the page history. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 01:22, January 19, 2025 (EST)
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| :All right then. But we tend to delete template redirects and ''that'' tends to mess up page history something fierce. {{User:Mario/sig}} 03:00, January 19, 2025 (EST)
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| ::Another reason I don't like moving those unless absolutely necessary. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 11:01, January 19, 2025 (EST)
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| :::Yeah. I'm not sure the benefit for deleting template redirects. I do try to post diff examples for some past problems a wiki had (for instance the vertical RPG enemy infoboxes being laid side by side, see my support vote[https://www.mariowiki.com/MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/44#Redesign_RPG_infoboxes_and_bestiaries]) and then when I reviewed that revision recently, it was just red links which would obfuscate points I've made, or it'll hamper my ability to at least tell newer users what things were like back then. Sucks. Even if redirects aren't going to solve everything, as templates themselves are prone to major changes over the course of the years. {{User:Mario/sig}} 14:02, January 19, 2025 (EST)
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| == Exciting Invitation to Join Animal Crossing Wiki! ==
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| Hey Mario,
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| I hope you're doing well! I wanted to invite you to check out the Animal Crossing Wiki at indy.snowsherrill.com. It's a great resource for everything Animal Crossing, and I think you'll really enjoy being a part of the community there.
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| See you on the island!
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| Best, [[Special:Contributions/139.180.62.75|139.180.62.75]] 16:45, January 24, 2025 (EST)
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| :Years ago, I've edited at [https://nookipedia.com/wiki/Main_Page Nookipedia]. {{User:Mario/sig}} 16:47, January 24, 2025 (EST)
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| Please join the new wiki. [[Special:Contributions/139.180.62.75|139.180.62.75]] 16:47, January 24, 2025 (EST)
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| :I don't have any plans to follow links I don't recognize. {{User:Mario/sig}} 16:56, January 24, 2025 (EST)
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| Hey Mario, you can join [link redacted] where it is a iPads and videos wiki. [[Special:Contributions/139.180.62.75|139.180.62.75]] 17:18, January 29, 2025 (EST)
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| :I don't follow links I don't recognize. {{User:Mario/sig}} 20:01, January 29, 2025 (EST)
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| == Re: Princess Peach Showtime voice actors ==
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| I verified [https://www.kenproduction.co.jp/talent/21 Yuhko Kaida based on her talent agency] and voice clips which matches that of Grape's. --{{User:L151/sig}} 15:13, January 25, 2025 (EST)
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| == English (United Kingdom) language for certain games on Switch ==
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| Hey. I just came here after seeing one of [[User:PaperSplash|PaperSplash]]'s edits. In their edit they said that even though the English script for Princess Peach: Showtime! is just the same one it’s put on separate en_US and en_GB language files in different folders, so English (United Kingdom) was added but I removed it after. Eventually I thought of readding it but with a note somewhere. The only problem is I couldn’t put a note after “en_gb=y” explaining that. I tried what I could, but the note still wouldn’t show up. How should I add that note? [[User:CarlosYoshiBoi|CarlosYoshiBoi]] ([[User talk:CarlosYoshiBoi|talk]]) 19:35, February 4, 2025 (PST)
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| :If you mean the names are shared, it's best to not distinguish the English. This was the case for the Super Mario Party Jamboree minigame names, if I recall correctly, where the file sizes were virtually identical. {{User:Mario/sig}} 20:11, February 5, 2025 (EST)
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| ::I’m talking about the whole localization itself (the English version was made at NoA) which was being added onto separate en_US and en_GB language files despite being the same according to that edit. How were they stored in the coding for Princess Peach: Showtime? [[User:CarlosYoshiBoi|CarlosYoshiBoi]] ([[User talk:CarlosYoshiBoi|talk]]) 18:51, February 4, 2025 (PST)
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| :::I don't have the game's files currently so I can't confirm at the moment. {{User:Mario/sig}} 19:43, February 9, 2025 (EST)
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