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| ==Regarding SMBE French names== | | ==Regarding SMBE French names== |
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| Hi. As you said the french SMBE isn't published by [[Dark Horse Books|Dark Horse Comics]] but it doesn't mean that the book is legitimate. I already said it on [https://www.mariowiki.com/User_talk:PiNGOUiN my userpage] but the French version of SMBE make a LOT of mistake. Certainly less than the english version, but enough for the book to lose his legitimacy. There is a ton of names that were stolen from english, ennemies that were confused with other, and ennemies that were roughly translated from english containing the mistakes made by the english SMBE (conjectural names). Even the different games has not been translated correctly. | | Hi. As you said the french SMBE isn't published by [[Dark Horse Comics]] but it doesn't mean that the book is legitimate. I already said it on [https://www.mariowiki.com/User_talk:PiNGOUiN my userpage] but the French version of SMBE make a LOT of mistake. Certainly less than the english version, but enough for the book to lose his legitimacy. There is a ton of names that were stolen from english, ennemies that were confused with other, and ennemies that were roughly translated from english containing the mistakes made by the english SMBE (conjectural names). Even the different games has not been translated correctly. |
| Some of translations are good. But a majority are bad/stolen/roughly translated. What are we doing then ? [[User:PiNGOUiN|PiNGOUiN]] ([[User talk:PiNGOUiN|talk]]) 18:24, October 22, 2024 (EDT) | | Some of translations are good. But a majority are bad/stolen/roughly translated. What are we doing then ? [[User:PiNGOUiN|PiNGOUiN]] ([[User talk:PiNGOUiN|talk]]) 18:24, October 22, 2024 (EDT) |
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| I do not personally like putting information that can be incorporated elsewhere in trivia (especially if it is a paragraphs worth of information), and I do not think this is specifically trivial information. And, personally, I do not really understand why that comparable bit in the [[Nipper Dandelion]] article is tucked away in trivia. Many enemy articles talk about the entomology of the subject's English name in the opening. The fact that these publishers utilized our site instead of exercising their own resources for these subjects does not make it less important, so while I assume you have good reason for it, it is not immediately clear to me what makes this information "indulgent." - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 17:58, October 22, 2024 (EDT) | | I do not personally like putting information that can be incorporated elsewhere in trivia (especially if it is a paragraphs worth of information), and I do not think this is specifically trivial information. And, personally, I do not really understand why that comparable bit in the [[Nipper Dandelion]] article is tucked away in trivia. Many enemy articles talk about the entomology of the subject's English name in the opening. The fact that these publishers utilized our site instead of exercising their own resources for these subjects does not make it less important, so while I assume you have good reason for it, it is not immediately clear to me what makes this information "indulgent." - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 17:58, October 22, 2024 (EDT) |
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| == Quick questions involving Yoshi's Island bosses and some other stuff that's not as important (or maybe is?) == | | == Quick question == |
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| *Does [[Priscilla the Peckish]] have a gender in Japan? Or is it referred to as by gender-neutral terms like most other Yoshi bosses?
| | Does [[Priscilla the Peckish]] have a gender in Japan? Or is it referred to as by gender-neutral terms like most other Yoshi bosses? --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 13:00, October 24, 2024 (EDT) |
| *In a similar vein, does the Super Mario Advance Guide (the English one) refer to [[Marching Milde]] and [[Sluggy the Unshaven|Sluggy]] with different pronouns from the original SNES Guide? (In addendum to the Sluggy part, does her parent species have an alt. artwork where the spots are colored blue? Or are Sluggies exclusively colored red/pink in artwork?)
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| *Is the name "[[Bashful Burt]]" ever used outside of cards?
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| *Is there any version of [[Barney Bubble]]'s artwork that colors with its purple and blue coloration from the sprite, or are they all red and white? Could also be a case of Melon Bug there.
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| *Is the name [[Seedy Sally]] actually used to refer to the Needlenose throwing ones, or the watermelon ones? How do the "Level Guide" pages handle/use the term? Is it used for both types? Is the guide inconsistent in that matter?
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| --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 13:00, October 24, 2024 (EDT) | |
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| == guide to mainline subjects that still need articles ==
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| Hi, LinkTheLefty. Over the past few weeks, I have been working to put together a large guide to subjects in the mainline series that still need articles on the wiki. It includes a brief description of each subject, an attested English name, and their Japanese name. My hope is that other users can use this as a launching point to research and make these articles themselves, and to directly copy and paste the name citations. I thought this guide may interest you, so please feel try to check it out right [https://www.marioboards.com/threads/48110/ here on Mario Boards]. - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 04:36, January 14, 2025 (EST)
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| ==Voting in own proposals==
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| I'm planning on doing a couple of TPPs. How do I vote in my own proposals? [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 09:06, January 15, 2025 (EST)
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| :I'm not sure if I understand the question. You vote with <nowiki>#{{User|PrincessPeachFan}} [per]</nowiki> just like how you normally vote in proposals. If you have multiple options, you can vote for multiple. I've seen some proposers vote oppose for their proposals, which I guess raises an eyebrow but it's not unheard of. Just don't vote for every option and you're good to go. Follow the format [[MarioWiki:Proposals#Basic proposal formatting|here]] and you'll be a pro in no time. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 09:25, January 15, 2025 (EST)
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| :: All right, I copied it, put the TPP on and there is a proposal on the page for [[Dangan Mario]]. Thanks! [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 20:00, January 15, 2025 (EST)
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| == Families ==
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| You said “times where families get..screwy” in my wonderful proposal and then you mentioned [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2g0uXcTF3mA&t=281s a video that shows Mario and Peach have a freaking son]. I was wondering: you said “ times where '''''FAMILIES''''' get..screwy”. “Families”, plural. Do you know any other case like that? [[User:Weegie baby|Weegie baby]] ([[User talk:Weegie baby|talk]]) 13:58, January 25, 2025 (EST)
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| :The Kong family is an obvious example of one that can look pretty bad if you take the designers' telephoning too literally. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 07:25, January 30, 2025 (EST)
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| == Big Fire Piranha Plant ==
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| Howdy! I'm sure you are aware, but when Mario Portal updated the Mario Portal page for [https://www.nintendo.com/jp/character/mario/en/history/new_smb2/index.html New Super Mario Bros. 2], they render the name "Big Fire Piranha Plant" correctly. For reasons that escape me, it remains "Big Fire Piranha Plan" on the [https://www.nintendo.com/jp/character/mario/en/history/64/index.html older pages]. Do you think this is reasonable grounds for moving the page's name to "Big Fire Piranha Plant," or should we perhaps wait and see if it is used in-game or at least in association with a more recent release? (Big Fire Piranhas for some reason are not on the Mario Portal page for Super Mario Bros. Wonder.) - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 12:32, January 27, 2025 (EST)
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| :My gut says to wait like with Bomber Bill. I've thought about the possibility of filling in unnamed appearances with Portal names, but that'd lead to even more anachronisms and clashes with legacy names. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 07:25, January 30, 2025 (EST)
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| ::Understandable. Though I do feel like Big Fire Piranha Plants are far less likely to be name dropped in a future release than Bomber Bills were. - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 13:19, January 30, 2025 (EST)
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| == Puzzle in SM64 ==
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| Hi, LinkTheLefty. I saw you move [[15-Piece Puzzle|this article]]. I disagree that this is supposed to be the subject's actual name. It correlates with the name of the mission as written in Japan, which does not match what the puzzle's name is when mentioned in isolation. I think the only correlation to its name in Japanese is "puzzle." - 20:02, March 16, 2025 (EDT)
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| :Wait, sorry. I misread the name, and I see you had a source for it. Sorry about that! I should look at these things more carefully. - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 20:05, March 16, 2025 (EDT)
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| ::S'cool. By the way, regarding [[Special:Diff/4786259|this]] - just reflected how ''Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia'' wrote it on page 88 (I know we don't use it as a source, but to give a little credit, that one's a direct translation). [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 21:32, March 16, 2025 (EDT)
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| == Super Mario 64 guidebook ==
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| Hi, Link. You should know this guidebook has been misrepresented in the press: We have no reason to think is an unofficial guidebook. I can provide more details in the future if you would like, but in the meantime, here are the [[:File:SM64 Guidebook Licensing credentials.png|licensing credentials]] for the book, which attribute Nintendo as the copyright holder. The editor-in-chief for this guidebook is [https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%85%83%E5%AE%AE%E7%A7%80%E4%BB%8B Shusuke Motomiya], the contractible managing director of ONEUP who has been affiliated with Nintendo since the 1990s, including writing the [https://vgmdb.net/artist/41276 booklets] for licensed albums and continues to work for the Pokémon Company from 1997 to as recently as [https://www.ptcgic-cr.com/2024/en/column/article-9/ 2024]. The guidebook was published by {{iw|bulbapedia|Media Factory}}, which is an accredited publisher in Japan and was the licensed distributor for the Pokémon Trading Card Game in Japan in the 1990s. I'm not familiar with any proof that this is not an officially-licensed product. - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 13:06, March 19, 2025 (EDT)
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| :We have this [[MarioWiki:Naming#Acceptable sources for naming|codified in policy]]: "''For Japanese names, guides published by [[Shogakukan]] (Nintendo's official guidebook licensee) take priority over other publications.''" This is because they have consistently been, until very recently (roughly SFC-to-NS era), the one with closest oversight. Insofar as the copyright, it's not clear if it's attributing it to the game or the book. They can be tricky like that. As for the publication and staff, I'm not sure if that's good enough to put it in the clear. Prima also had guides that they marked as unauthorized, with a few familiar names rotated from their licensed guides. As I understand it, the laws are a little different: gaming guides were more of a "wild west" until, I believe, a certain incident that happened sometime after the ''Super Mario 64'' (I'm not 100% on this, but it seems that there was a Square/Enix lawsuit that shook that industry). You can refer to an older discussion [[User talk:Mister Wu#Non-Kōshiki Japanese guides|here]] for what we look for. Mister Wu probably knows more. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 13:35, March 19, 2025 (EDT)
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| ::The impression I have from that policy is that Shogakukan is prioritized, not that other Japanese sources are inherently invalid, and Mister Wu seems to substantiate that impression. I do not personally feel convinced this Media Factory guidebook was not an officially licensed product even if Nintendo's own staff did not help write the text themselves, for while it does not include the sentiment "written in collaboration with" or an equivalency, it includes names we have encountered subsequently and elsewhere and their licensing logos/info within and on the outside of the book (a sentiment that Mister Wu seems to support in the thread you have shared). That is substantive enough for me in lieu of other Japanese sources for ''Super Mario 64''. If a Shogakukan book or equivalency surfaces, great. But this is adequate in lieu of that. - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 14:25, March 19, 2025 (EDT)
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| :::Eh, I've been meaning to upload more Shogakukan pages anyway, so I'll do that at some point. For now, let's just stick with 'safe' Shogakukan citations unless there's a notable contradiction, like you noticed with Sushi or Big Mr. I. But in general, it seems that all of the ''kōshiki''/official guides pride themselves being credited with Nintendo collaboration/supervision (this understandably makes them stand out from their competition), and we make sure Japanese guides by other companies hold themselves to the same standards (many cited ones do, or at least, association is known via an official Nintendo website). I think it's fishy that the licensing credentials has a part asking readers not to submit questions about the book's contents. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 14:56, March 19, 2025 (EDT)
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| ::::I think that's reasonable. I apologize for being headstrong: I can afford to be less stubborn.
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| ::::Do you have the Shogakukan guidebook for ''Super Mario 64''? I'm sure you have other things on your plate, but I was curious to know if there is a list of items and objects in the book, and whether they correlate to any of the subjects in [[Super Mario 64#Items and objects|our article]] or [[User:Nintendo101#Super Mario 64|this list]]. Would you be willing to look into that at some point? No worries if that is a big ask. I just feel like we can systematically afford to document items and objects a bit better than we do. - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 18:26, March 19, 2025 (EDT)
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| :::::No worries. Most of us here are at least a little bit headstrong. It basically comes with the territory!<br>Yes, I have a number of guides. You can see through my past uploads which ones I have (there's more, including ''Super Mario 64'' and ''Super Mario 64 DS'' Shogakukan, but I ran into technical issues some time back). Scanning enemy artwork and profiles seemed harmless enough since that's what I imagine most people are interested in, and I got motivated when one of our good sources, the imgur uploader of ''Perfect Ban Mario Character Daijiten'' and more, suddenly privated his account and made a lot of his hard-to-find stuff inaccessible. Some guides do have object lists too. When I can do more scans, plus objects, I will. I don't want to be uploading if it'll lead to some unused files that end up on the delete list, but I guess I can put it on your talkpage or in a gallery. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 06:36, March 20, 2025 (EDT)
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| ::::::Inserting myself here to say that this wiki could make use of a strategy guide checklist as a project page or something. It just happens I got SM64 and SM64DS Shogakukan guides among others as well because I didn't know LTL got them at some point as well. Such a checklist could be used for pointing out if a guide has been uploaded on Internet Archive or who here owns a copy to see if someone else considers getting one as well, granted they can tell what a book says if they can't provide scans like me. [[User:SmokedChili|SmokedChili]] ([[User talk:SmokedChili|talk]]) 03:50, March 30, 2025 (EDT)
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| :::::::Not a bad idea. One idea on the form it could take would be to base it on the userboxes. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 09:21, March 30, 2025 (EDT)
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| Hi, Link. I wanted your perspective on something. We currently have a conjecturally named [[log]] article about an unnamed platform from the ''Mario vs. Donkey Kong'' games. I think we should have an article about the log platforms from ''Super Mario Bros. 2'' and ''New Super Mario Bros.'' that are named "logs" in an official capacity. Do you think it is reasonable for them to all share an article, or should this one from MvsDK be moved to "log (''Mario vs. Donkey Kong'' series)?" Because while the latter is certainly a log in an objective sense, it is mechanically different from the other two, and I am not particularly jazzed about the idea of creating a generic "log" article. I'd rather relay ''Mario''isms.- [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 13:32, March 22, 2025 (EDT)
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| :Personally... I'd rather not split unless we use a unique name, as identifiers are more for necessity. That said, I think the article is due for expansion, especially since there are other log-derived subjects. [[Template talk:Conjecture#Split and rework the "partial conjecture" aspect of this template|Partial conjecture was recently updated]], so that seems like an appropriate use of the ''Mario vs. Donkey Kong'' series platforms for now. I'm not sure how active this user is, but {{User|Hiccup}} got a few of the ''Mario vs. Donkey Kong'' internal names a long while back; you could try asking for the designation of the log platforms for the next step. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 09:21, March 30, 2025 (EDT)
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| ::I think that's reasonable, or at least for now. I just don't like having "{{wp|wastebaset taxon|wastebasket}}" articles. Maybe I will reach out to Hiccup down the road. - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 12:31, March 30, 2025 (EDT)
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| ==Frost Piranha's name in New Super Mario Bros. Wii==
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| So, I asked DBB about the Mario Portal and this was part of the response I got: "However, I'm pretty sure it's because a Nintendo-hosted website such as the Mario Portal is run directly by Nintendo." when I brought up on the talk page for Frost Piranha to change the NSMBW name to Ice Piranha Plant. [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 09:06, March 28, 2025 (EDT)
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| :I'm pretty sure it was an admin request, though the change was rather [[Special:Diff/4119814|sudden]]. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 09:21, March 30, 2025 (EDT)
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| ==Pipe Cannon Proposal==
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| I created a proposal to clean up the [[Pipe Cannon]] page. Could you please add it to the list of talk page proposals so users can vote? [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 13:14, April 7, 2025 (EDT)
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| :I took care of it! {{User:Sparks/sig}} 13:22, April 7, 2025 (EDT)
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| ::@PrincessPeachFan You should really do that yourself when you make a new proposal rather than ask someone else to do it. {{User:Nightwicked Bowser/sig}} 13:24, April 7, 2025 (EDT)
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