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::::{{User|Porplemontage}} might get a bot to make all those edits for you if you explain this to him. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 18:26, 6 August 2017 (EDT)
::::{{User|Porplemontage}} might get a bot to make all those edits for you if you explain this to him. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 18:26, 6 August 2017 (EDT)


I was going to give you a spiel about rolling up your sleeves and getting to work, but now that I've looked into it, the issue is a bit more complicated than that. The flags are appearing on pages through the use of [[Template:Flag list]], and they are called using the names of the files. For example, <nowiki>{{release|Japan|November 1, 2007}}</nowiki> would cause the Japanese flag to appear, as the name of the original image is [[:File:Flag of Japan.png|File:Flag of '''Japan'''.png]]. Since these names are going to be referenced often, they're named in such a way that they're convenient to reference, which is why it's [[:File:Flag of USA.png|Flag of USA.png]] and not "Flag of the United States of America.png". With that in mind, it may be best to keep the flags with their original names. Yes, the flag that we're using for "Europe" is really for the European Union, but we've still called it "Europe" because it's more convenient for editors, and those are the people who are going to be using it the most. If you had to type "Hong Kong" on dozens of pages, as you dreaded doing, you'd also prefer having a more convenient alternative, which is why the name of the file is "Flag of HK.png". Your heart's in the right place, but I'd say we should leave things as they were. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 18:31, 6 August 2017 (EDT)
I was going to give you a spiel about rolling up your sleeves and getting to work, but now that I've looked into it, the issue is a bit more complicated than that. The flags are appearing on pages through the use of [[Template:Release]], and they are called using the names of the files. For example, <nowiki>{{release|Japan|November 1, 2007}}</nowiki> would cause the Japanese flag to appear, as the name of the original image is [[:File:Flag of Japan.png|File:Flag of '''Japan'''.png]]. Since these names are going to be referenced often, they're named in such a way that they're convenient to reference, which is why it's [[:File:Flag of USA.png|Flag of USA.png]] and not "Flag of the United States of America.png". With that in mind, it may be best to keep the flags with their original names. Yes, the flag that we're using for "Europe" is really for the European Union, but we've still called it "Europe" because it's more convenient for editors, and those are the people who are going to be using it the most. If you had to type "Hong Kong" on dozens of pages, as you dreaded doing, you'd also prefer having a more convenient alternative, which is why the name of the file is "Flag of HK.png". Your heart's in the right place, but I'd say we should leave things as they were. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 18:31, 6 August 2017 (EDT)
:Yeah, that's what I'm also thinking, but I'm still not sure if they should stay with their original name. I'll let you know if I change my mind. Until then, DO NOT use the new names. [[User:Gold Luigi|Gold Luigi]] ([[User talk:Gold Luigi|talk]]) 18:34, 6 August 2017 (EDT)
:Yeah, that's what I'm also thinking, but I'm still not sure if they should stay with their original name. I'll let you know if I change my mind. Until then, DO NOT use the new names. [[User:Gold Luigi|Gold Luigi]] ([[User talk:Gold Luigi|talk]]) 18:34, 6 August 2017 (EDT)
::After some thinking, I actually decided to change the current names back to their original names. Should I do it, or will you do it for me? And just to let you know, I did those changes on the main page for MK7, so I'm not sure if this changes anything, but if it does, go do the changes there if you want. [[User:Gold Luigi|Gold Luigi]] ([[User talk:Gold Luigi|talk]]) 18:50, 6 August 2017 (EDT)
::After some thinking, I actually decided to change the current names back to their original names. Should I do it, or will you do it for me? And just to let you know, I did those changes on the main page for MK7, so I'm not sure if this changes anything, but if it does, go do the changes there if you want. [[User:Gold Luigi|Gold Luigi]] ([[User talk:Gold Luigi|talk]]) 18:50, 6 August 2017 (EDT)
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Hi Gold Luigi! I noticed that you've been spreading the idea that DS Cheep Cheep Beach doesn't have new music across the Mario Kart 8-related articles and doubling down upon edits, which doesn't accurately represent its soundtrack. For example, the instrumentation has been updated to resemble those in live bands (Presumably Live Recorded by the Mario Kart Band, though I can't explicitly prove that haha), a new funk guitar line panned to the right has been added in the C section, and the countermelody created by the string section has been slightly altered. Further, the original makes use of the Mario Kart DS Soundfont, while the remix in 8 has no trace of it. Though it has not been drastically changed, in my eyes it still constitutes an overhaul for those reasons.
Hi Gold Luigi! I noticed that you've been spreading the idea that DS Cheep Cheep Beach doesn't have new music across the Mario Kart 8-related articles and doubling down upon edits, which doesn't accurately represent its soundtrack. For example, the instrumentation has been updated to resemble those in live bands (Presumably Live Recorded by the Mario Kart Band, though I can't explicitly prove that haha), a new funk guitar line panned to the right has been added in the C section, and the countermelody created by the string section has been slightly altered. Further, the original makes use of the Mario Kart DS Soundfont, while the remix in 8 has no trace of it. Though it has not been drastically changed, in my eyes it still constitutes an overhaul for those reasons.
I'd like to hear your take though before I undo changes in the other articles you edited on the subject, besides the main one, however. Thanks! [[User:Four-Twenty-Four Jake|Four-Twenty-Four Jake]] ([[User talk:Four-Twenty-Four Jake|talk]]) 1:31, September 17, 2023 (EDT)
I'd like to hear your take though before I undo changes in the other articles you edited on the subject, besides the main one, however. Thanks! [[User:Four-Twenty-Four Jake|Four-Twenty-Four Jake]] ([[User talk:Four-Twenty-Four Jake|talk]]) 1:31, September 17, 2023 (EDT)
:The other courses that don't have their music changed drastically also add instrumental enhancements to the soundtrack. For example, 3DS Neo Bowser City has an additional electric guitar at around the middle of the music, as does Wii Mushroom Gorge for the most part, albeit much less noticeably due to how drowned down it sounds compared to the rest of the music. As for 3DS DK Jungle and Wii Grumble Volcano, while nearly the same as their original versions, also have their own enhancements in order to make them sound more "orchestreated". Sure, DS Cheep Cheep Beach's music might be the most orchestrated of the others, but in the end, I find it essentially an enhanced version of the original DS music that was done in order to fit in with the rest of Mario Kart 8's orchestrated soundtrack, just like the other few courses I mentioned. [[User:Gold Luigi|Gold Luigi]] ([[User talk:Gold Luigi|talk]]) 05:04, September 17, 2023 (EDT)
::Oh, interesting. I didn't realize that orchestrations and slight changes in notation did not count as overhauled music for the Mario Kart 8 soundtrack on this wiki. Though, if that's the case, it would necessitate adding GCN Sherbet Land (which features no significant changes in instrumentation), 3DS Music Park (which is exactly the same except for the replacement of MIDI guitar and trumpet with live ones), Wii Wario's Gold Mine (which is an exact transcription of the Outside Variant of Wii's for live instruments, save for a few minor changes), Wii Coconut Mall (which is an exact transcription of Wii's for live instruments), and SNES Mario Circuit 3 (which only features a new drum line, with all other parts covered by original instruments from the SNES). Given the examples I have given of other courses that fit your description, where should the line of "overhauled music" be drawn? Should we add these courses to the list in each of the articles? [[User:Four-Twenty-Four Jake|Four-Twenty-Four Jake]] ([[User talk:Four-Twenty-Four Jake|talk]]) 14:58, September 17, 2023 (EDT)
:::You beat me here. I checked the samples of the soundtracks for each of these courses and they all sound considerably overhauled versions of their original music (though SNES Mario Circuit 3's musical overhaul is kinda ruined with the included SNES sample, not gonna lie). I thought DS Cheep Cheep Beach's music sounded nearly identical to the original version, but I guess all those sound effects and voice clips during gameplay sessions really drowned down the music for me. Add the fact that I never listened the course's music alone in the past as well as that I barely use Mario Kart TV (where it has the option to remove the sound effects and voices but keep the music only), and I eventually find out what I really missed from the course's new and improved music all those years. Without any more doubt, you can freely remove DS Cheep Cheep Beach from the list of courses with ''slightly'' overhauled music, without adding any of the other courses you mentioned. [[User:Gold Luigi|Gold Luigi]] ([[User talk:Gold Luigi|talk]]) 15:47, September 17, 2023 (EDT)

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