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| -Looks like it works! [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 19:54, March 8, 2025 (EST) | | -Looks like it works! [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 19:54, March 8, 2025 (EST) |
| :Side note: [[MarioWiki:Image use policy]]:
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| <nowiki>If a screenshot needs to be cropped from the hardware output to remove black borders or have transparency added (if a game element overlaps the border), this should be noted in {{aboutfile}} parameter #4.</nowiki>
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| :I wonder if this should be challenged for removal or a revision to encourage the use of the template rather than make the crop permanent. Ever since the permanent crop rule was first implemented, I HATED it. Now this on-the-fly crop template exists. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 23:39, April 3, 2025 (EDT)
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| ::Sounds like a thing you can pursue! The black-bar removal thing is something I myself am uneasy about, especially given how often UI elements invade them. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 23:59, April 3, 2025 (EDT)
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| :::I am not very active on {{SITENAME}} anymore. I just thought I mention it in passing to further embrace the new template. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 00:08, April 4, 2025 (EDT)
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| ::::If you are curious, I brought this issue up to {{user|Porplemontage}}. I did have discussion like this [[MarioWiki talk:Image use policy#Cropping Letterboxing Mandated|years ago]]. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 16:15, April 5, 2025 (EDT)
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| ## As an extension of the above, putting a blackbg on these world map sprites in the gallery doesn't reflect how they actually appear in-game. The Spade Panel has a 1-pixel black outline around it, which is easily seen in-game when surrounded by other colored tiles, but it fades into the black gallery box. I suggested changing these sprites such that what is currently "transparent" just be colored black directly, and then the gallery can use colored bgs that correspond to the unique "ground" color that the maps use. [https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/297596959026446337/1350633847402004490/image.png?ex=67d7734a&is=67d621ca&hm=a772df4a89e2dd90db0dc01193c9f219350e966a9a131a578adb458401146584& hopefully this discord image link should work] | | ## As an extension of the above, putting a blackbg on these world map sprites in the gallery doesn't reflect how they actually appear in-game. The Spade Panel has a 1-pixel black outline around it, which is easily seen in-game when surrounded by other colored tiles, but it fades into the black gallery box. I suggested changing these sprites such that what is currently "transparent" just be colored black directly, and then the gallery can use colored bgs that correspond to the unique "ground" color that the maps use. [https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/297596959026446337/1350633847402004490/image.png?ex=67d7734a&is=67d621ca&hm=a772df4a89e2dd90db0dc01193c9f219350e966a9a131a578adb458401146584& hopefully this discord image link should work] |
| --[[User:PopitTart|PopitTart]] ([[User talk:PopitTart|talk]]) 22:39, March 15, 2025 (EDT) | | --[[User:PopitTart|PopitTart]] ([[User talk:PopitTart|talk]]) 22:39, March 15, 2025 (EDT) |
| :I understand (and don't disagree with) most of that, I'm a completionist and needed to scratch the "all variants of the HUD" itch (and to make it clear when something is not the "only" version of something, because having only one version does kinda give off that implication, unfortunately). And I thought the colors would be fun and consistent with what the SMB1 article does, but I probably overdid it a bit lol. The Map tiles work better on tabular images that don't have the gallery padding; see the [[Panel (Super Mario Bros. 3)]] article, they look fine there. I just wanted it abundantly clear that despite the common misconception, the "grass" color on the map is not the actual transparency. Also, the black being the transparency actually does come into play with palette flashes, such as when a whistle or Hand Trap is activated - and ones like {{file link|SMB3 Map Stage 10.png|this}} with hidden details that can't be seen when it's opaque black. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 22:46, March 15, 2025 (EDT) | | :I understand (and don't disagree with) most of that, I'm a completionist and needed to scratch the "all variants of the HUD" itch (and to make it clear when something is not the "only" version of something, because having only one version does kinda give off that implication, unfortunately). And I thought the colors would be fun and consistent with what the SMB1 article does, but I probably overdid it a bit lol. The Map tiles work better on tabular images that don't have the gallery padding; see the [[Panel (Super Mario Bros. 3)]] article, they look fine there. I just wanted it abundantly clear that despite the common misconception, the "grass" color on the map is not the actual transparency. Also, the black being the transparency actually does come into play with palette flashes, such as when a whistle or Hand Trap is activated. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 22:46, March 15, 2025 (EDT) |
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| I'm sorry for replying so late to this topic, however, I've been meaning to share a perspective that I can hopefully reference further. For the time being, I do not know where else it is currently relevant to air it.<br>The one point of contention I easily agree on here is that the sheer amount of sprites were hampering the gallery's loading performance, something I can experience first-hand looking at its corresponding revision. It goes without saying that the content that exists on this site should be managed acceptably and digestibly so that users can actually, well, use the site. Where I disagree is that these sprites are objectively "uninteresting" or that the wiki should be as conservative as possible with such uploads because of an unspoken rule that governs media franchise wikis. OK, the encyclopedic part of the site, which relies on explanatory material first and foremost, should harmonize the reference material (pictures, music snippets, quotes, etc.) with the user-generated contents to fulfill its purpose as an educational resource. Even galleries, the wiki's current media repositories, ought to be well put together rather than act as a simple dumping ground.<br>I do find it very concerning, however, that there is so much contention to the simple act of ''having'' certain game assets such as those uploaded by Doc, or the aforementioned Mario Kart Tour icons, somewhere on the wiki. In the proposal that concerned the latter, one user unfavorably likened this practice to hosting every single texture used in 3D games. My question is why, systematically and principially, is it ''not supposed'' to do this? Who decides this? The community of signed-up users, who may or may not have a personal interest in such minutiae, do not represent the entire readership. Indeed, there are people who take interest in in-game particle effects and utilitarian assets, and the wiki can serve these enthusiasts. You'll be surprised to learn that there were people on Reddit [https://web.archive.org/web/20250325182818/https://old.reddit.com/r/MarioKartTour/comments/ym3945/drivers_who_have_never_had_a_course_icon_fun_fact/ discussing] [https://web.archive.org/web/20250325183402/https://old.reddit.com/r/MarioKartTour/comments/uab0g6/ever_since_the_samurai_tour_it_just_feels_so/ those Mario Kart Tour] [https://web.archive.org/web/20250325182857/https://old.reddit.com/r/MarioKartTour/comments/1c8cy7q/heres_a_pic_of_every_driver_who_lost_their_course/ icons] <small>(archive.org)</small>. Just looking up the word "[https://www.reddit.com/r/MarioKartTour/search/?q=icons icons]" <small>(reddit.com)</small> in that subreddit brings up dozens of threads of people making literal ''fan art'' of these icons. I assume they used the wiki to draw these images for their posts, since Spriters' Resource has yet to upload them.<br>So, should we agree that the worth of these assets is ultimately subjective and it's not our call to restrict them for that reason, what kind of threat do these sprites uploaded by Doc pose?
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| *That they bloat the Super Mario Bros. 3 gallery? They can easily be split into dedicated sub-galleries, leaving the prominent ones on the parent gallery for illustrative purposes.
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| *That they occupy space in the storage? Not only has Porplemontage [[User_talk:Porplemontage/Archive_16#A question about revisions in history|stated]] that [[User_talk:Porplemontage/Archive_16#A_question_regarding_your_server_storage|storage space is not currently a problem]], but I have some serious trouble figuring out how a bunch of pixel art from a some-hundred-kilobyte game will ever bog it down.
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| *That hosting them is illegal? The wiki has ostentatiously paraded visual assets that qualify as copyrighted for 2 decades now, so that's moot.
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| If I wanted to use a sprite from Super Mario Bros. 3 or Mario Kart Tour for some purpose, I would find it more convenient to download a standalone version from Mario Wiki than download a raw sheet from some other sprite repository and isolate it myself. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 14:40, March 25, 2025 (EDT)
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| :TBH, I think the galleries are just overwhelming when they are that big, though I do personally understand the appeal and desire to have a reference of visual material that is curated and all encompassing. Since the ''Mario Kart Tour'' proposal last year, we have introduced gallery series templates ([[Gallery:Yoshi|example here]]). It may be worth considering if these can be broadened for the game galleries when needed. We already do that for ''[[Gallery:Super Mario Maker|Super Mario Maker]]''. But I think it's worth bringing more voices into a discussion like that, and how this would manifest itself. - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 15:13, March 25, 2025 (EDT)
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| == Re: Donkey Kong Land sprite rips ==
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| hey there! while i really appreciate your work and effort documenting these, they're uh. A Lot. and they bloat up the galleries a lot as well. i have a feeling it'd be easier to just have two images, one displaying the sprite, and then a big sheet showing each possible alternate color (one for DK displaying each levels palette, then one for each thing that doesn't appear in every level). it would also make it easier to compare them next to eachother, too. just a suggestion! {{User:EvieMaybe/sig}} 14:29, March 21, 2025 (EDT)
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| :The actual plan for those, which for some reason I never enacted, was to implement them into the level articles themselves in their tables and counters and such. But that was nearly three years ago, so I don't quite remember all that was going on in my head then, lol. I still think that the original plan would work if it was ever actually put into place. All that said, if I ever do animations for that game, I'll probably just be sticking with monochrome. Probably. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 14:31, March 21, 2025 (EDT)
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| == Waterfall ==
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| Hi, Doc. Thank you for creating the waterfall article. I hope it does not seem like folks do not appreciate the general efforts you have put into this site, because they do. I don't think this wiki would be the same without your hard work. - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 13:05, March 24, 2025 (EDT)
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| :That's reassuring, thanks. :) [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 13:14, March 24, 2025 (EDT)
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| ::As an aside, I know you mentioned feel shy in large Discord servers, and I was nervous joining it too, but there aren't many people legitimately active in the Super Mario Wiki Discord. It's mostly a handful of other users you would recognize and myself. In my time there, I have found it to be a good platform for folks to talk about the wiki and other topics more organically, for users to understand one another more easily, to share resources, and to share their perspectives on the fly. You do not have to do anything you do not want to, but I think it is a space you would find gratifying. - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 15:17, March 24, 2025 (EDT)
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| == Recent Boom Boom sprites ==
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| Before you upload more sprites, I need to know, is there a reason we will have to document very similar looking variants of an animation, or the animation where the sprite is barely altered? {{User:Mario/sig}} 02:16, March 29, 2025 (EDT)
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| :Because it's not an exact mirror of the animation. I see it as like uploading the close-up "VS screen" Luigi sprites in some sports games (like ''Strikers'', I think) where they're slightly different to keep the "L" consistent, which is also a barely noticeable change. This is also looking forward for the ''All-Stars'' versions of those animations, which are more visibly different due to outline shenanigans (the outlines of his feet very often look off due to sharing tiles with the arms due to 8x16 space issues). As for the colors, those are mostly to put on the stage articles (ie a jumping or flying one to be clear which behavior is used, not every Boom Boom of that color). For the record, I have finished with Boom Boom. I must ask though, if we weren't to cover these differences, who would? [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 10:37, March 29, 2025 (EDT)
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| == Boom Boom and the Koopalings ==
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| Howdy! Out of curiosity, would you be willing to upload static png sprites of Boom Boom and the Koopalings in ''Super Mario Bros. 3''? I thought it would be nice to have those available and would be better for the main article for the game since most other sprites on the page are still. - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 21:25, March 29, 2025 (EDT)
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| :I mean, I suppose I could. I figured the crouched Boom Booms were static enough. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 22:07, March 29, 2025 (EDT)
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| == White Block (platform) ==
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| Howdy, Doc. I hope you've been having a nice weekend. You probably saw, but Lastro recently created the [[White Block (platform)]] article. I thought it would be great to have an animated gif of Mario using the platform. I could do that by using a YouTube video, but I don't have the means of making it the right resolution or ensuring the colors are correct. Is this something you might take interest in doing? - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 10:53, April 6, 2025 (EDT)
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| :Also, thank you for adding the Boom Boom and Koopaling sprites. I appreciate it. - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 10:53, April 6, 2025 (EDT)
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| ::Might get to that after I finished the Hammer Bro anims I'm working on. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 10:58, April 6, 2025 (EDT)
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| :::Only if you want to! - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 11:19, April 6, 2025 (EDT)
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| == RE: Oogtar ==
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| I see... I'm not sure if the two lines are similar enough to be considered nod, though. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 09:48, April 7, 2025 (EDT)
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| I saw you saying that PNG Monstrous causes lossy compression, and I would like to demonstrate how it does not so that you can use it for your images.
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| While this image appears like the colors got changed in the thumbnail, it turns out that this is a bug in the wiki's ''thumbnail displaying''. If you open either Fire Snake image revision in an image editor, you will find that they have identical colors.[[User:P-Tux7|P-Tux7]] ([[User talk:P-Tux7|talk]]) 14:54, April 17, 2025 (EDT)
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| :I don't think it ''consistently'' does so, but we outright have a template for "please don't optimize this image, it has color-changing metadata." Personally, I don't think it's really necessary for any image that isn't (pardon the accidental pun) monstrously large. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 15:06, April 17, 2025 (EDT)
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