Editing User talk:A Link to the Past

{{Block|length=infinitely|reason=being a sockpuppet of [[User:NARCE|NARCE]]}}
Stop redirecting the toys. We '''Do''' need toy articles. [[:Category:Toys|Look at all the toy articles we have]]! Also, about the villains, and Metal Luigi thing, talk about that in their talk pages. And don't redirect the toy pages again,or you '''could''' get blocked. <span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''aper '''Jorge'''</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Paper Jorge|Need to tell me something? Go to my talk page.]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Paper Jorge|Contributions]]<tt>&middot;</tt></small>) 17:07, 8 October 2006 (EDT)

And you didn't need to add those old main page discussions to the archive. They were in the wrong section anyway. That was over a year ago and we're making sure all our content is original now. --<span style=" -variant: small-caps;">'''[[User:Porplemontage|Steve]]''' (''[[User talk:Porplemontage|talk]]'')</span> 17:12, 8 October 2006 (EDT)

== Merging ==

Merging what? {{User:Wayoshi/sig}} 23:19, 6 May 2007 (EDT)
:Oh, a bunch of stuff. For instance, merge Axem Rangers all together (there really isn't enough to say about each of them individually), merge Tuff Puffs into Huff N. Puff, et al. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] 23:20, 6 May 2007 (EDT)
::I have to oppose both merges because each are separate enemies with different stats, and are thus different from the group. And looking above I remember you now: you were very resistant about redirecting what you thought was the same. Don't start up another issue. {{User:Wayoshi/sig}} 23:23, 6 May 2007 (EDT)
:::...Fine. Leave Tuff Puffs alone, but merge the Axems. I'm watching to make sure nothing is lost. {{User:Wayoshi/sig}} 23:26, 6 May 2007 (EDT)

== Sky Land ==

This message is regarding your edit to [[Sky Land]]. What's wrong with the individual level info in the article?? Please explain with as much detail as you can. [[User:Koopa lover|Koopa lover]] 10:33, 7 May 2007 (EDT)

==Wario FA==
Is reading like an ad ''a bad thing?'' Why so? I always thought that was a good thing, and purposly strived for it in the article. {{USer:3dejong/sig|it looks like a FLAME WAR! Too bad I'm grounded.}}
:Because an article is to be neutral. A Wiki isn't for the sake of selling a product or product associated with a subject. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] 01:19, 7 May 2007 (EDT)
::Oh. Well. Whatever. I just tried to make it sound exciting. Time for a rewrite... once I'm not grounded. {{User:3dejong/sig|don't turn around... der kommissar's in town..}}
:::Actually, creative subtitles and writing are a good thing. See the [[Yoshi]] article for evidence of this. {{User:Plumber/sig}} 21:03, 7 May 2007 (EDT)

== Merge ==

Beforing Merging '''Anything''' bring the topic up on the talkpage first. [[User:Great Gonzo|Great Gonzo]]

== Counter ==

Because the l33t hammer bros. were characters in PiT. They deserve their own article. [[User:Great Gonzo|Great Gonzo]]

l33t hammer bors. is long and well written article, end of discussion it stays seprate. [[User:Great Gonzo|Great Gonzo]]

I will get around to helping neglected articles, but for now the l33t hamm3r broz. Stay unless a admin say otherwise. [[User:Great Gonzo|Great Gonzo]]

Before making '''Any''' Radical changes, consult an admin, patroller, or put this on the page.

 ==Vote==
 ===Support Merge===
 ===Oppose Merge===
And see if any other users oppose it...like me of course. [[User:Great Gonzo|Great Gonzo]]

[[Special:Listusers/sysop|sysops]] or  [[Special:Listusers/patroller|patrollers]]

That wasn't an option, the merging is left up to, admins and also the majority of users votes. [[User:Great Gonzo|Great Gonzo]]

Look here smarty, STOP merging articles without putting the merge template on and letting other users decide. Got it? [[User:Great Gonzo|Great Gonzo]]

Please use a talk page before making major edits, or after having it reverted as to discuss the issues. -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]

:Hence the need to bring this up on a talk page so we can figure out such criteria. But such rash edits are upsetting. Please use the talk pages so we can figure out criteria together. -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]

::I only protected to prevent you and Great Gonzo from countlessly reverting. I don't have opinion on this issue right now. I just wanted to stop the edit war and bring the issue to the talk page. I do not neccessarily agree with how the article is composed right now. -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]

:::But we can find a consensus on what is included in the main Characters list. We already have a [[Donkey Kong Characters]]. -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]

::::Species or creatures should not be on the Characters list for sure. The wiki has generally supported giving any officially named feature (character, item, etc.) its own article. Most people like it that way. And it's not bad if we have short articles - someone can always find content somewhere. -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]
The problem is, how do you decided what is included in a bigger list article or not, if they are all independently named? And I'm sorry but I do have to go. -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]

==About our Standards Here==
Here's the deal, Mr. Link to the Past. You're causing trouble. Again. You '''are''' being bold, which is '''good''', but '''not in the way you're doing it.''' '''Be bold by proposing these changes on the talk page first, not actually making the changes without consensus.''' Your big changes were rash and as shown opposed by the community. If you still think the changes need to be instituted, present some reasons on the talk page again discussing why you still think these changes are needed. Then, users will respond a second time, and if it's still opposed a second time, it probably won't work the other times, so I advise you to not bother.

I'm going to respond to your "second-chance reasons", which I gathered from the talk pages. You think we need a "criteria for inclusion", that is, the subject in question has to be at a certain level of importance/not too specific that it has enough information to fill in for a "fair" article. If not, such as minor items, they go into a list to create one good fairly-sized article. You'll proposing List of Goomba varieties, List of Treasures from Wario Land 3, etc. This sounds like Wikipedia's standards: dump everything in a list for a nice article.

''We are '''NOT''' Wikipedia.'' Here at the Super Mario Wiki we are here to create an article about everything in the [[Marioverse]] &ndash; even down to the tiniest details and collectibles. Each article, as my colleague Son of Suns pointed out, has potential for more details, with every new game there's new information to add to 100s of articles, even featured articles can always be improved. True, some subjects make small articles, but there's always at least a good paragraph or two to write about &ndash; or, that is our goal. There's '''always''' something to add.

I will point out in a couple of cases we have merged &ndash; [[Badges]] and [[List of Catch Cards]], [[List of Sammer Guys]]. But Axem Rangers? From what I've seen now, each has a different personality. Also, [[MarioWiki:Importance Policy]] accepts the Smash Bros. series on this wiki, as well as other series related to Mario, but not necessarily staring him.

Now that I've explained the above, you will be warned for any more rash edits and blocked if it continues. {{User:Wayoshi/sig}} 16:43, 7 May 2007 (EDT)

== Reply: Possessed ==

Okay, thanks for clearing that up. -- [[User: Sir Grodus|Sir Grodus]]

#Proposing a merge for every single minor, insignificant aspect of the Marioverse is not being bold. Asking permission because there just MIGHT be opposition towards an edit is the exact opposite of being bold.
#Are you implying that Pokémon Pikachu is notable to the point where it warrants an article? Can you expand it any more without making it an article on the product (which is not very relevant on this Wiki, since aspects of the product aren't ever mentioned in the game)?
#Just because you have no standards whatsoever as to what warrants an article does not mean that I should "quit". Pardon me for saying, but it is a matter of fact that in the end, the Mario Wiki will '''not''' be quality. A quality Wiki doesn't prefer scattered petals over a full flower. Why are thousands of sentence-long articles better than a larger, more informative article?
#And another thing - you see, the priorities of this Wiki are completely screwed. You wish to give coverage of all Mario-related concepts, but how in the world are the Mario games stubs if this is so? Maybe this Wiki would be better if you didn't care so much more about using this Wiki to write about everything Mario-related that you couldn't write about on Wikipedia than you do about the games in the series. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] 21:06, 7 May 2007 (EDT)

If you don't like this wiki, that doesn't mean you have to stay here. {{User:Plumber/sig}} 21:13, 7 May 2007 (EDT)

Plumber, please understand that A Link to the Past does have good intentions. -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]
:My biggest reason I don't like this wiki is that the regulars don't want to meet me half-way on the criteria. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] 21:18, 7 May 2007 (EDT)
::Never mind Plumber &ndash; I'm willing to consider some of your points, but I must disagree on others. In response to your four points:
#You were bold to edit those articles without asking the community for a consensus first. You certainly did not "ask for permission".
#I removed all the useless Pokemon-only info from [[Pikachu]], and, admittedly, it is kinda scarce besides game info. There's a chance a List of 3rd Party SSB Characters will do good here.
#Perhaps it's time for a change in the way we work around here. I highly disagree that the wiki will ''never'' have quality, with hard work anything is possible.
#A wiki is a continuous project. Do we wish that every game article was detailed & complete? Of course, but that's not going to happen overnight. I admit again, we have been neglecting work on our game articles. Since you're so concerned about them, maybe you can do your part here and expand those game stubs.
{{User:Wayoshi/sig}} 21:22, 7 May 2007 (EDT)

I think you have some valid complaints. Things like Pokemon Pikachu should be merged into a larger article, as they are only in the game for monetary value. There are no special techniques or descriptions, just value. That is suited for a list. The problem is, where do you draw the line? We should probably create one big article for all Mario enemies. You can get all your info in one article. What we need to figure out is what has potential and what doesn't. -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]
:My purpose here is to cover bases not covered. There needs to be someone to stop the endless supply of new articles every once in a while, but everyone should be expanding the game stubs, not just me.
:And I never suggested merging all enemy articles into one. I suggested a very reasonable prospect - move one-shot generic Goomba species into a list of Goombas and possibly merge variations of Hyper Goombas and Gloombas together. Simple. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] 21:26, 7 May 2007 (EDT)

Variations deserve their own articles. Some lesser things like Pokemon Pikachu don't deserve as much. {{User:Plumber/sig}}
:Bellhop Goomba does not warrant an article, and would only help the project by making a quality list of Goombas. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] 21:29, 7 May 2007 (EDT)

Well you really can't stop users from doing what they do. I try to erase as many one sentence articles as I can. They don't offer any info. We don't like those articles, but they pop up, and need to be deleted in some cases. You can make suggestions, but you can't expect everyone to follow your lead, ya know? -- [[ User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]
:Well, I'll happily make a list of one-sentence articles. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] 21:30, 7 May 2007 (EDT)
::Okay. We do need to keep those in check, especially new ones. We don't like one-sentence articles. We want users to write at least a full paragraph per new article if they can. -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]
:::Well, when you see my user page as blue, you'll know when I'm finished. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] 21:33, 7 May 2007 (EDT)
:::If you will, please delete/merge the sports special move articles. Fairly unnecessary. And I suggest making a list of Mario Hoops 3-on-3 characters, and merge Cactuar, White Mage, etc. into it. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] 21:35, 7 May 2007 (EDT)
::::Again, each of those has potential I feel. Maybe others don't, but I think a lot of users respect the fact that we keep articles seperate and distinct. You can definately suggest these things on talk pages, and call for votes, but we won't simply change them. -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]
:::::Minor characters deserve their own articles, as do sports moves. Only if they are one sentencestubs they should be merged and if they get bigger later, will get their own article. Don't merge once sentence articles that have recently been made (mainly ''Super Paper Mario''), as we get more information, we will expand them later. {{User:Plumber/sig}}
::::::We shouldn't allow new one sentence articles to begin with though. They should be deleted on spot, forcing users to write a fuller article. -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]
:::::::We need to give them time. At least warn them beforehand. Often, I will create an article on Wikipedia and expand it over time. Additionally, why do minor characters warrant articles? Even a single paragraph is a dubious size for an article. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] 21:43, 7 May 2007 (EDT)
::::::::Again, it has to do with potential. Also, users prefer them I believe, so they will stay as independent articles for the time being, unless more users want things to be different. -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]
:::::::::Create a criteria, then. People can argue their points. THis isn't a vote - if one side provides a better rationale than the other, then they win, even if they're fewer in number. Additionally, Plumber, please merge Audience into Paper Mario TTYD and Super Paper Mario (the appropriate stuff - TTYD content into TTYD, SPM content into SPM). The TTYD article barely covers the game mechanics, so if I didn't already play it to death, I would have no idea what the game was like. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] 21:47, 7 May 2007 (EDT)
::::::::::But it's all very subjective. What is "better" for one does not mean it is "better" for another. I think this has to be more of a case by case basis. Like Audience for example, as a gameplay mechanic, does it deserve its own article? It some ways yes and some ways no. What we need is consensus, not rule by the few. -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]

Typically an officially named character warrants an article. If there is no official name for a specific character (like some nameless Doogan in Rogueport) info should go into a different article. -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]
:That's a pretty weak criteria - having a name doesn't seem like something that would say how notable they are. By the way, most Doogans and Goombas etc. in Rogueport do have names. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] 21:56, 7 May 2007 (EDT)
::I know. Some don't though. And I don't see how having a name is weak criteria. Nintendo took the the time to name them, so we should honor that decision with an article. It's a conceptual statement we are making about games - that even the minor is important. It's a mindset that people find pleasing, regardless if it conforms to convetional style. The concept of article itself is a more important criteria than style, and it is something to be respected, I think. Perhaps this idea will phase out in time, but it is still a legitimate form of intellectual expression. -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]
:::The purpose of a Wiki is information. Like I said earlier (although not quite as eloquently), a flower is more beautiful than scattered petals. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] 22:03, 7 May 2007 (EDT)
::::Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I love scattered petals on the ground, as opposed to the flower itself. The flower is not pleasing, only its fragmentation is. -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]
:::::But you can't find all the petals, at least the flower is all there and you can look at it all quite easily. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] 22:06, 7 May 2007 (EDT)
::::::That's what categories are for. ;) -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]
:::::::And lists are for those one paragraph articles. ;) - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] 22:08, 7 May 2007 (EDT)
::::::::Well, I'm getting tired. I need some sleep. Goodnight, and I hope we can all reach some compromises both ways. -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]
:::::::::There's a list for people like you, too, Link to the past! The block list! ;){{User:HK-47/sig}}
::::::::::A respondant who's upset by change... Republican? - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] 22:14, 7 May 2007 (EDT)

I dont like this user. {{User:isyou/sig}}
:I'm not offended by not being liked by someone with your signature. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] 22:15, 7 May 2007 (EDT)
::I'm offended by someone trying to pass themself off as cool with that SN. When you aren't.{{User:HK-47/sig}}
:::I don't really care about impressing anyone - for instance, perhaps you enjoy coming off as cool by featuring a username named after a KOTOR character. Nice to know that the populace of this place feels this threatened by improvement. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] 22:19, 7 May 2007 (EDT)

Lol flame war. Actually, it really isnt improvment...{{User:isyou/sig}}
:I don't believe I flamed anyone. It was a retort.
:Additionally, speaking from someone who has actually featured video game articles (Katamari Damacy), video game character articles (Lakitu and Wario; albeit removed due to an increase in criteria to be an FA, such as more references being necessary), actor articles (Henry Fonda), and real-life articles (Cat), I'd say what I was doing was a significant improvement, especially since your featured articles read like ads and need much more work than you've done on them. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] 22:24, 7 May 2007 (EDT)

No, the aritlces and stuff that you did to get this whole thing started. And, I wasnt talking to you- HK-47 said somethign about a ban list. {{User:isyou/sig}}
:Are you implying that there should not be a criteria for inclusion? - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] 22:28, 7 May 2007 (EDT)

You can play as [[Rabbit Wario]]. it deserves its own article. 
{{User:isyou/sig}}
:In which game? - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] 22:31, 7 May 2007 (EDT)

Did you even ''read'' the aritcle? {{User:isyou/sig}}
:At what point could you consider yourself a Mario aficionado? The Rabbit Wario form is only in Super Mario Land 2. Wario is a BOSS in Super Mario Land 2. You cannot play as a boss. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] 22:36, 7 May 2007 (EDT)

DAMNET. Uhh- I mean... Umm... Oh alright fine. {{User:isyou/sig}}
:Well, I'm going to go and merge Hyper Goomba articles together, noting that I will allow you to unmerge if you are not satisfied on the condition that you allow me to go through will it. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] 22:39, 7 May 2007 (EDT)

Wait- what? No. No. No. No. No. No. no. They are all different enemies. No. No. No. {{User:isyou/sig}}

Never mind. I understand now. [[User:Isyou|Isyou]]

== The merges. ==

Instead of just merging them with no discussion, make REASONS. For example the Hyper Goomba sub-species are seperate enemies. So you should actually DISCUSS the merges. [[User:TheGreatBlockyBoo|TheGreatBlockyBoo]] 23:07, 7 May 2007 (EDT)
:There was a discussion. And I didn't redirect the pages because I was waiting for opposition. On top of that, is there any stylistic reasons why Hyper Goomba cannot be about the species and not just that one type? - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] 23:15, 7 May 2007 (EDT)
::Because they are specific named  subspecies. Plus, if we have a lot to say on a topic, shouldn't it be its own articles?
:::But there isn't a lot to say without becoming a guide from the perspective of some Mariopedians. Again, it's not a stylistic problem at all. The article is of fine quality with them merged. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] 23:19, 7 May 2007 (EDT)
::::Look. I just want to say that there should be a discussion of this WHOLE topic on the main page. [[User:TheGreatBlockyBoo|TheGreatBlockyBoo]] 23:21, 7 May 2007 (EDT)

I agree partially with you ([[Frog Luigi]] is the exact same thing as [[Frog Mario]], only that Luigi wear the frog costume, what the point?) but I don't like the way you show it. There 1 unwritten rule that each Mariowikier should know: THIS IS NOT WIKIPEDIA! WE DON'T HAVE HAVE EXACT SAME POLICIES AND INCLUSION CRITERIA! You merged Bopping toadie with Toadie even though they have next to nothing in common. "No one will look up this enemy" is a very, VERY weak argument. Thing that are called "cruft" and "obscure" are actually very welcome here. Try to ask the community before merging a page.
[[User:Gofer|Gofer]]
:Did you even read my edit to [[Bopping Toady]]? - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] 14:05, 8 May 2007 (EDT)

D'oh, me being stupid... again.
[[User:Gofer|Gofer]]

==Hammer Bro. and Wario FAs==
Will you reevaluate them? {{User:Plumber/sig|Canoe}} 23:57, 8 May 2007 (EDT)

Ok, I fixed Wario's bias statement (I think that was just referring to how they seem too tight on him) and you still haven't reevaluated Hammer Bro. {{User:Plumber/sig}} 00:09, 10 May 2007 (EDT)

== Hammer Broz. ==
The article may have to much information about the plot. Then go ahead and remove it. But the information about the Broz. themselves have to stay. As enemies, bosses (!), the qualify for having their own article. - [[User:Cobold|Cobold]]

People have thought that your opposition reason is too trivial. Please re-evalute the article. {{User:Plumber/sig}} 19:48, 12 May 2007 (EDT)

It was agreed by the community. Re-evalute or the opposition will be disqualified. {{User:Plumber/sig}} 13:42, 13 May 2007 (EDT)

:Plumber, have you checked the nomination page? It seems there are a list of objections. Have they been completed? -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]

Most, if not all, of those objections are the most trivial objections I have ever seen. {{User:Plumber/sig}} 14:00, 13 May 2007 (EDT)

:Doesn't matter. Minor errors need to be fixed. When I review the article, I'll probably add to the list, as the article on first glance looks really poor and is in need of expansion. -- [[User: Son of Suns|Son of Suns]]

== About This Wiki ==

Why do you always have negative comments on this wiki?{{User:Fg/sig}}

He's been here for a '''''long''''' time. He's been inactive for 7 or 8 months.--{{User:Aipom/sig}}--

== Stop ==

Please stop, use the sandbox for that and if you continue to do this action you will be warned.{{User:Fg/sig}}

... What? AllTp edit are perfectly legit.
[[User:Gofer|Gofer]]

uh... So you got permission to merge the Wario Forms? OK... {{User:Maxlover2/sig}} I'm... well, I know... uh... bye.

== Mario Party articles?  ==

NO WAY. {{User:Maxlover2/sig}} A. They are to long to be in a list, there are about 50-100 in each game, and they are all unique games.

You should add a Usermessages thing to your page. {{User:Maxlover2/sig}}

== Mario Strikers Charged ==

Listen first of all we are not in europe so don't move it to Mario Stikers Charged Football and who cares if football is more popular in europe than here?{{User:Fg/sig}}

Meh, has the wiki specially said to be American?
[[User:Gofer|Gofer]]
:I don't believe so.
:If it comes out in Europe first, especially by such a large period of time, it should follow the European conventions. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] 17:42, 16 May 2007 (EDT)

That makes no sense. MOST of us live in the USA, so It makes more sense to go by That name. {{User:Maxlover2/sig}}
:We don't cater to the writers. Most of the people who care are those who care about the sport. Most of the people who care about the sport live outside of the US. Voila. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] 17:59, 16 May 2007 (EDT)

I'm sorry... but why exactly did you post on my talk page with such an irritated tone?  Did I insult you by making the article?  I'm so sorry.  I should have left it as the stub I found it and not drummed up interest for it by updating it.  My bad.  Unfortunately for you, you've made me really dislike you with one single post, but you already have quite a reputation, I see.  I've set up a vote on the talk page for you, so maybe you'll go and be democratic about it instead of imposing your will on the majority on this Wiki.  --[[User:Stumpers|Stumpers]]



No. The JAPANESE title is ''Mario Strikers Charged''. Unless the game was MADE in Europe, Japenese Wins. {{User:Maxlover2/sig}}
:So change it to the Japanese title - not the transliteration, the Japanese title. And Max, are you implying that we change it back to soccer? - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] 18:05, 16 May 2007 (EDT)
:And let me assess you guys - "some Americans who prefer it when the world rotates around their way of thinking". - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] 18:06, 16 May 2007 (EDT)

I don't know! Figure that out yourself! The Japenses title is Mario Strikers Charged! That's all I'm worried about! I don't give if you change the article to Football, It's not in the Japenese name!
:The Japanese title is not Mario Strikers Charged. If you wish, I shall go move it to the official Japanese title. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] 18:10, 16 May 2007 (EDT)

Y'know what? FORGET IT! I'm sorry, but thanks to you, this whole Wiki is faling apart! I feel ready to start swearing! {{User:Maxlover2/sig}} And I cam/will/should!
:I think you meant to say "Forget it, you're making it too hard to make the Wiki biased towards everything I want, because I'm just some spoiled American brat who thinks the world bows down before me!". - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] 18:12, 16 May 2007 (EDT)

THANKS TO YOU, THE COOLEST USER IN THE WORLD QUIT, EVERYBODY'S ANGRY, '''NO ONE''' LIKES YOUR EDITS, AND... AND... JUST GO BACK TO YOUR STUPID WIKIPEDIA! GO MERGE 10 BILLION ARTICLES TOGETHER THERE FOR ALL I CARE!!!!!!! {{User:Maxlover2/sig}} AHHHH!!! JUST SHUT UP!!!!!!
:I think you meant to say "damn, I lost, and I couldn't argue my way out of a wet paper bag." - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] 18:16, 16 May 2007 (EDT)

Don't make generalizations about Americans.  Would you be happy if I did the same for you?  Because you're acting like a real monarchist right now.  "Some Europeans can't get over the fact that the opinion of large groups often pleases more people than the opinion one of." In short, let's actually debate here and not act like toddlers. --[[User:Stumpers|Stumpers]]
:Large group? So billions of people who view it as football is not quite large enough? Did it ever occur to you that we cater to the reader and NOT the writers? - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] 18:14, 16 May 2007 (EDT)

Hey ALTTP you sound a little like {{User:Maxlover2/sig}} when he was new here.{{User:Fg/sig}}
:What, was he against bias as well? - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] 18:19, 16 May 2007 (EDT)

SCREW YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! {{User:Maxlover2/sig}} EVERYONE HATES YOU, YOU'RE A HINDER TO THE WIKI... I JUST WISH YOU'D GET BLOCKED!!!!
:Someone who screams when he fails and wants the Wiki to be biased. What a great asset. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] 18:19, 16 May 2007 (EDT)

:::Alright everyone calm down before someone gets blocked. [[User:Great Gonzo|Great Gonzo]]
::::I do believe I'm being perfectly calm. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] 18:20, 16 May 2007 (EDT)

Yes max was against bias.{{User:Fg/sig}}



Let him get blocked! Loser! {{User:Maxlover2/sig}}

:>_> Max it could be you that gets blocked, everyone Stop, now [[User:Great Gonzo|Great Gonzo]]

... <small>*mumbles bad things*</small> {{User:Maxlover2/sig}}

::Listen to you... you're a real peach, Link, you know that?  Max2 is worth more to this Wiki than you'll ever know, anger and all. --Stumpers

Thx... But... Let me handle this, K? {{User:Maxlover2/sig}} look. STOP. STOP NOW. END OF DISCUSSION. GOOD BYE.
:So should I stop systematically destroying you in every argument we have, or should I stop trying to educate you that the world does not consist of the US only? - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] 18:27, 16 May 2007 (EDT)

You should debate like a gentleman.  Not like a boy.  I don't know how old you are, and I don't care how Max2 acts, I just know that everyone else has been exceedingly reasonable with you, but received no reason back.  And yes, most Americans are aware that there are other countries in this world, contrary to your assumptions about people you obviously know nothing about. --[[User:Stumpers|Stumpers]]
:What should I assume of Max? That despite wanting everything on this Wiki to be biased towards North America conventions, he does not have a biased perspective? And I do believe I debate like a gentleman. I was the one originally asking people to even meet me half-way, and I eventually got my wedge into the divide and got my ideals into the Wiki. Even then, I amended the policy of merging to require discussion before it is done, by my own choice. Most of the members here have not given me even that much courtesy. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] 18:34, 16 May 2007 (EDT)

"waves hand" can I say something? You're '''all''' idiots. I thought that when I came here, I was with intelligent, civilized people, who would not start a stinkin war over an article title. No one probably cares, but I'm sickened. This wiki is made so that all nations can come and write/read about Mario. The fact that a WRITER lives in a certain place does not change that. The fact that some writers are (or seem to be) racist, does not change that.I have no opinion whatsoever on the article title, but the title is not that important anyway, why make it such a big deal? - [[User:Ultimatetoad|Ultimatetoad]]
:It's also about football versus soccer. I am an American - I hold no bias whatsoever. On Wikipedia, I've fought for the usage of the American title in one case, the European title in another, and finally a Japanese title in another. I do not care what region is favored, as long as it's correct to do so. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] 18:34, 16 May 2007 (EDT)

::So why were you dissing Americans then?  That's pretty wild. Perhaps there's a way to include all three titles as the article header? --[[User:Stumpers|Stumpers]]
:::I never dissed America. I was pissed at a handful of Americans here who want things there way. I hate snobby European asses who think that Americans ride in SUVs, eating hamburgers, and watching NASCAR all at once as well. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] 18:38, 16 May 2007 (EDT)
::::Y'know what?  You're pretty cool when you're not... doing what you did above... let that side shine!  Anyway, you should know that, as they say, "For any one complaint, there are 500 other people who didn't say anything." Whether that's true or not, I'd bet money that more people than me felt insulted by your comments. --[[User:Stumpers|Stumpers]]

:::::I am now ending this discussion by saying <big? '''Wait until Charged is released. When it is released we will move the title to the AMERICAN NAME OF THE GAME because this is an AMERICAN Wiki and not a EUROPAN Wiki. Case closed.''' </big> {{User:Paper Jorge/sig|I took care of that I hope.}}

::I meant to say Englsih. Whatever the case is, the American/Japanese name remains. [[Image:Paperjorgesp.png]] <span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|<span style="color:Blue;">P</span>]][[User talk:Paper Jorge|<span style="color:Green;">J</span>]]'''</font></span>'''[[Super Paper Mario|<span style="color:Black;">{{{1|}}}</span>]]''' [[Image:Paperjorgesp.png]] <big> '''''[[Fracktail|You lost everything. Way to go genious.]]''' </big>
:::Fine. But I still want to use football over soccer. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] 19:26, 16 May 2007 (EDT)

......PJ....... Europe is an english country.... oh, who cares anyway. - [[User:Ultimatetoad|Ultimatetoad]]\

I addressed the issue on the page with this: "soccer (football in Europe)" Now, English viewers who don't know the American term will be fine.  Hope that helps. --[[User:Stumpers|Stumpers]]

== Stop. ==

OK, that's the last straw. Stop unsulting about every 8 out of 9 users here, Mr. Crumpets! [[User:Maxlover2|Blimey, old bean!]] someone pass me the keys to my shoppe! THERE! HA HA HA!!!!
:Um, '''take your own advice'''? - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] 18:34, 16 May 2007 (EDT)

Alright this has gone long enough, please stop insulting members of the Mariowiki. [[User:Great Gonzo|Great Gonzo]]

He's insulting us! {{User:Maxlover2/sig}} I had to!

Gonzo's talking to everyone, Max.  Don't worry, anyone can see what's been going down with A Link to the Past... and everyone knows you're a cool guy, so I wouldn't worry about anything, okay? --[[User:Stumpers|Stumpers]]

ALttP is cool too...... you all are just taking this whole thing yoo far.... - [[User:Ultimatetoad|Ultimatetoad]]

You know what! I can't stay here with you! someone, tell me when Link is blocked, then I'm coming back! {{User:Maxlover2/sig}}
:Well, until I go on some poorly attempted insult tirade, that'll be a while. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] 18:43, 16 May 2007 (EDT)

The problem, for me at least, is that I never knew Link before he burned me on my talk page about the article.  You can look if you want.  By the way, Linkie, please drop it.  Max's arguements are best buried with the rest of the debate. --[[User:Stumpers|Stumpers]]
:I dislike regionalists. While I look on you in a better light now, Max just comes off as very American-biased. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] 18:48, 16 May 2007 (EDT)

Well, I gotta go.... good day. Max and PJ have both left for different reasons, but one of which invloves a petty, ridiculous argument. I hope the wiki can recuperate... we have entered dark times. - [[User:Ultimatetoad|Ultimatetoad]]

:I'm sorry you saw me while I was in my "combat-mode," first.  I'm quite the savage beast when I feel threatened in any way.  I guess the same goes for you, too! :D --[[User:Stumpers|Stumpers]]  P.S. I hope you didn't chase Max away... :(

== Sorry. ==

look, let's talk. I'm sorry I bursted a <s>little</s> '''Lot'''le, but Soccer is not "unofficial" just because it's called Football more. Why don't we put:

soccer (Football outside of North America)...

Instead? as Plumber stated, MOST Wikiers are American. But, that does not mean we should start insulting each other about the names. I'm sorry. {{User:Maxlover2/sig}}

Actually, that's what I did on the article! Great minds think alike, lol. --[[User:Stumpers]]

You're back... thank god.... I don't think we could have survived losing SoS, PJ, and you at the same time.(although PJ might still come back...) - [[User:Ultimatetoad|Ultimatetoad]]

I almost busted a gasket reading teh "debate". :D I hope we don't go OUT OF CONTROLZOR like that again. {{USer:3dejong/sig|I hate when I miss stuff.}}

== Ghost Jam ==

Do you know who's Ghost Jam?{{User:Fg/sig}}

Because on ghost jam's page;His page is talking about you and jelly soup who were overzealous about mario.{{User:Fg/sig}}
:And you felt the need to say this...why again? My roommate (Jelly) and Link argued. End of story. -- [[Image:Shyghost.PNG]][[User:Ghost Jam|Chris]][[Image:Shyghost.PNG]] 17:58, 6 June 2007 (EDT)
::This is the same idiot Link? For some reason I hate him even more now.{{User:HK-47/sig}}
:::I hate how he sometimes acts, not the person himself. Still, seeing these arguments, I would have suspended a number of people before this went on for half as long as it did. -- [[Image:Shyghost.PNG]][[User:Ghost Jam|Chris]][[Image:Shyghost.PNG]] 00:30, 7 June 2007 (EDT)

== About Certain Insults ==

A Link to the Past has this to say: "I accept Max's apology and apologize for calling everyone 'American brats'." {{User:Wayoshi/sig}} 17:08, 18 May 2007 (EDT)

== Football/soccer ==

Hey, I nee your help. I need you to go to [[Talk:Mario_Strikers_Charged]] and vote for football to be used over soccer. I know that is what you want, anyway. [[User:Red.Tide|Red.Tide]] 13:54, 28 May 2007 (EDT)
:While it is perfectly fine to advertise an on-going discussion, please do not ask a person to vote in either direction. It could result in a persons vote being skipped due to bias. -- [[Image:Shyghost.PNG]][[User:Ghost Jam|Chris]][[Image:Shyghost.PNG]] 05:49, 9 June 2007 (EDT)

== Look, ==

Let's just make peace, OK? {{User:Max2/sig}} Thanks.
:Stop bringing this up. If you want to 'make peace' forget the past and just do what you do. -- [[Image:Shyghost.PNG]][[User:Ghost Jam|Chris]][[Image:Shyghost.PNG]] 22:21, 18 June 2007 (EDT)

== w00t! ==

You're back!  Nice to see you again.  I just wanted to talk with you so that we don't get each other banned again.  Seriously, you're a great contributor... and yeah, we need all we can get (plus you're awesome on the chat rooms, but that's another story).  Anyway, if you want to work out an agreement, just let me know. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 00:28, 19 June 2007 (EDT)

Welcome back! As Stumper's said, you are awesome on the chatroom, but that,s another story. You may probably know it, but everyone here want your head burning on a stalk.
[[User:Gofer|Gofer]]

Well, not everyone.  But there are still some crazies around. :( {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 13:43, 19 June 2007 (EDT)

==Welcome Back Back==

What the header say. <s>Gofer</s> {{User:Blitzwing/sig}}. To get a (very very very) small idea of what happened in the last few months, go [[User:Crypt Raider/Event Log|thar]].