Editing Template talk:Welcome

The problem I mentioned in my edit summary when I protected the page is this: Any time somebody clicks "[edit]" near one of the headers when the template is on their talk page, it makes them edit the template rather than their talk page. --{{User:Yoshi626/sig}} 21:27, 27 March 2007 (EDT)
:That's been something long time needed to be fixed -- thanks {{User:Wayoshi/sig}} 22:05, 27 March 2007 (EDT)
::You're welcome. --{{User:Yoshi626/sig}} 23:30, 27 March 2007 (EDT)

Also someone forgot to add the Wanted Pages list in the Welcome template. The user also forgot to put blocking policy so when being welcomed the users read the reasons why Admins can block them.([[User:Super F22 Pilot|Super F22 Pilot]] 04:13, 8 December 2007 (EST))
:Listen dude, no one '''forgot''' to add those things. This template was created before the blocking policy was. {{User:Wayoshi/sig}} 09:07, 9 December 2007 (EST)

==I have an idea==
{| class="navbox; expandable" width=200% style="border:1px solid #000000; background:transparent; font-family:Arial; font-size:11px"
!colspan=3 style="background:whitesmoke; font-size:13px; color:black"|<span style="font-size:150%">Welcome, {{{name|{{PAGENAME}}}}}!</span>
|-
|[[Image:SMW Mario2.png|right|200px]]

Welcome to the '''Super Mario Wiki!''', a collaborative knowledge-base dedicated to the [[Marioverse]]. We're glad to have you as a member. If you have any questions, just post it on the [[MarioWiki talk:FAQ|FAQ talk page]] or ask an experienced member and/or [[Special:Listusers/sysop|sysop]].

The following articles contain guidance and information about reading, authoring, and participating in the Super Mario Wiki community. If this is your first time visiting, please read our [[MarioWiki:Introduction|Introduction]].

<font size=4>How do I do that?</font>

*[[MarioWiki:FAQ|Frequently asked questions]]
*[[Help:Editing|Editing information]]
*[[MarioWiki:Userspace|User page standards]]
*[[MarioWiki:Changing username|How to have your username changed]]

<font size=4>Specific Help</font>

*[[Help:Article|Article]] &ndash; Help creating, expanding, improving an article
*[[Help:Chat|Chat]] &ndash; Information on using the MarioWiki Chatroom
*Color codes &ndash; Help translating colors to hexadecimal
*[[Help:Communication|Communication]] &ndash; How to handle and use talk pages
*[[Help:CSS|CSS]] &ndash; Help creating an unique monobook.css file for each user
*[[Help:Format|Format]] &ndash; Help formatting text
*[[Help:Gallery|Gallery]] &ndash; Help creating a picture gallery
*[[Glossary]] &ndash; Help understanding terms used on the wiki
*Icon &ndash; Help adding an icon
*[[Help:Image|Image]] &ndash; Help putting an image on a page
*[[Help:License|License]] &ndash; Help selecting the license for uploaded media
*[[Help:Link|Link]] &ndash; Help creating a link
*[[Help:List|List]] &ndash; Help creating a list
*[[Help:Redirect|Redirect]] &ndash; Help creating a redirect
*[[Help:Media|Media]] &ndash; Image, audio, and video information
*[[Help:Signature|Signature]] &ndash; Help creating a signature
*[[Help:Table|Table]] &ndash; Help creating a table
*[[Help:Template|Template]] &ndash; Help creating and using a template
*[[Help:Preferences|User preferences]] &ndash; Help with your preferences
*[[Help:Userbox|Userbox]] &ndash; Help creating a userbox
*[[MarioWiki:Vandalism|Vandalism]] &ndash; Help stopping a vandal
*[[Help:YouTube|YouTube]] &ndash; Help embedding YouTube videos ''for your userpage only''

<font size=4>Categories</font>

You are welcome to browse through the following categories:
*[[:Category:Help|Category:Help]]
*[[:Category:Policies|Category:MarioWiki policies]]
*[[:Category:Writing guidelines|Category:Writing guidelines]]

<font size=4>External Resources</font>

*[[metawikimedia:Help:Contents|MediaWiki User's Guide]]
<font size=4>Things you can do</font>
*'''[[MarioWiki:Manual of Style|Start an article]]'''.
*'''[[MarioWiki:List_of_PipeProjects|Join a PipeProject]]'''.
*'''[[MarioWiki:BJAODN|See what you shouldn't do in an article]]'''.
*'''[[Special:Mypage|Create your user page]]'''.
*'''[[MarioWiki:Chat|Communicate in our chatroom]]'''.
*'''[[MarioWiki:The 'Shroom|Write for our local newspaper]]'''.
*'''[[Mariowiki:Pipe Plaza|Check out the site's latest news]]'''.

Feel free to delete this message when you're done reading it. After all, your user space belongs to you. I hope this information is helpful, and that you'll have a great experience contributing to our knowledge-base and our community. Remember to enjoy your experience here and also {{{3|have fun!}}}

{{{2|Sincerely}}},<br />
[[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]], [[User talk:{{{1}}}|My talk page]]
|}

<s>Do you like them, the first one allows you to sign like this:<nowiki>{{Welcome|~~~~}}</nowiki> so that you can put your whole signature in</s> and the second has a link to the talk page!--[[Special:Random|<font color="red">Marioguy1</font>]] My talk page <sub>([[Special:Mypage|haha]], no [[User talk:Marioguy1|link]] for you [[User:Marioguy1|)]]</sub> 23:13, 5 July 2009 (EDT)
:Being able to sign using your signature and including a time stamp sounds like a great thing at first, but when you start thinking about the problems sigs cause some users, the hassle of re-educating people how to sign the welcome template (if they don't stay on top of how it's done and don't preview, they could dole out quote a few botched welcomes before realizing their mistake, which would be bad), and other potential problems such as straining the server with the page within a page within a page (sig in Welcome in talk page), the cons outweigh the pros. Simply adding the talk page is much more straightforward, but wait until you get some more positive feedback before making any changes. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 21:01, 9 July 2009 (EDT)
::OK, I deleted the first one but the second, I think is very good. Do you want me to contact everybody on the recent changes list (in the active users part) and ask them to give feedback? (I will do it) {{User|Marioguy1}}
:::You could try asking the online Sysops for second-opinions, but don't go bothering all the random active users, as it may just annoy them. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 21:27, 9 July 2009 (EDT)
::::Do you think I should make a proposal, this way it would educate all users (not that they '''need''' to be educated) and it would provide a chance to vote! I '''know''' users love voting, it gives them a sense of power and who doesn't like power? {{User|Marioguy1}}
:::::Although it's not 100% necessary, I don't see the harm in adding a talk link. --{{User:KPH2293/sig}} 00:14, 10 July 2009 (EDT)

Well, not bad by the moment. It will work for a new user to talk with the guy who sent such message and tell about some basic rules, blah-blah... Just a small comment: Is it possible to change the second "talk" word for "talk to this user"? {{User:Coincollector/sig}}
:OK, coincollector, I changed the part where it says talk to a sysop to:Talk to me on my talk page!, do you like it? I can change it back... {{User|Marioguy1}}

:Oh, no MarioGuy, I was talking about the user's link on the bottom of the template, changing the talk link to "talk to this user"... {{User:Coincollector/sig}}
::So instead of:  "[[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|'''Talk''']])", it'd read "[[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|'''Talk to this user.''']])". The first bit should go back to "talk to a Sysop" - the "talk to me" stuff will be covered by the talk bit of the ending signature. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 02:16, 10 July 2009 (EDT)

Yep, in that way. {{User:Coincollector/sig}}

Ya good idea Walkazo! {{User|Marioguy1}}

Per Walkazo, or maybe "Talk to me" {{User:Tucayo/sig|SHROOM!}}
:Maybe we could make it:[[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]], [[User talk:{{{1}}}|My talk page]] - that would make (if I did the welcome):[[User:Marioguy1|Marioguy1]], [[User talk:Marioguy1|My talk page]], like it? {{User|Marioguy1}}

::Yes, that also sounds good, altough newbies may not know what exactly is a talk {{User:Tucayo/sig|Well, maybe}}
:::Perhaps another option is "Talk to this user on their discussion page". Just a thought. {{User|Super Mario Bros.}} 12:37, 10 July 2009 (EDT)
::::Hmm... too long.. --[http://www.mariowiki.com/User:Tucayo Tucayo]([[User talk:Tucayo|talk]]) [[MarioWiki:The_'Shroom|<span style="font-family:font; color:Green; cursor:crosshair"><font>The 'Shroom</font></span> ]] 12:43, 10 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::Maybe, Tucayo's idea of Talk to me is looking very good now... {{User:Marioguy1/sig}}
::::::Here, I'm going to put a little thing saying what the current change is below, please do not add comments below it or change it unless we've decided to. --[[Special:Random|<font color="red">Marioguy1</font>]] My talk page <sub>([[Special:Mypage|haha]], no [[User talk:Marioguy1|link]] for you [[User:Marioguy1|)]]</sub> 12:54, 10 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::::I don't see why we can't just stick with "talk". Other templates (like {{tem|user}}) use this format. --{{User:KPH2293/sig}} 13:52, 10 July 2009 (EDT)
Or why not just <nowiki>{{user</nowiki>? {{User:Tucayo/sig|ME!}}

That's a great idea! But, when the user sees the word "Talk page", are you sure he/she will know what a talk page is, I know I didn't when I first came to wikis (I thought it was a place to write about yourself and have others comment) {{User|Marioguy1}}
:I moved the coding that was at the bottom to the example template, since it seemed like a clunky way of doing things. Now just use the example template to show the current version of the proposed changes. Anyway, I agree with KPH: the standard [[Template:User|User template]] is just "Name (talk)", so having the Welcome template follow that formatting would seem just as consistant as the current <nowiki>[[User:Name|Name]]</nowiki> method. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 00:40, 11 July 2009 (EDT)

we need something other than bjaodn to say what not to do. thats why i customized my welcome template{{User:YourBuddyBill/sig||Mario|Mario}}
:If new users read the Help and MarioWiki pages linked to on the standard Welcome template, hopefully they won't need to be told what ''not'' to do, as they would then know what they ''should'' do. The template is perfectly fine a resource as it is, though there's nothing wrong with customizing your own personal Welcome template and elaborating on the aspects you think need more coverage (as long as you cover all the bases of the standard one). - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 02:18, 11 July 2009 (EDT)
::@Walkazo, Tucayo the rest of the people that are contributing to '''this''' discussion: (Talk) was my first idea, that's what I '''wanted''' to do, then someone came along saying a user might not know what a talk ''is'' so I changed my proposal. @YourBuddyBill: This discussion is to discuss the changes to the end actually but I'm not saying your comment was bad, in fact, it was a good idea! The only problem being that nobody ever reads the welcome template, they just ask the question to the person that signed it. Besides, where are we going to get an article of what '''not''' to do? - {{User|Marioguy1}}

==Idea 2==
{| class="navbox; expandable" width=100% style="border:1px solid #000000; background:transparent; font-family:Arial; font-size:11px"
!colspan=3 style="background:whitesmoke; font-size:13px; color:black"|<span style="font-size:150%">Welcome, {{{name|{{PAGENAME}}}}}!</span>
|-
|[[Image:SMW Mario2.png|right|200px]]

Welcome to the '''Super Mario Wiki!''', a collaborative knowledge-base dedicated to the [[Marioverse]]. We're glad to have you as a member. If you have any questions, just post it on the [[MarioWiki talk:FAQ|FAQ talk page]] or ask an experienced member and/or [[Special:Listusers/sysop|sysop]].

The following articles contain guidance and information about reading, authoring, and participating in the Super Mario Wiki community. If this is your first time visiting, please read our [[MarioWiki:Introduction|Introduction]].

<font size=4>How do I do that?</font>

*[[MarioWiki:FAQ|Frequently asked questions]]
*[[Help:Editing|Editing information]]
*[[MarioWiki:Userspace|User page standards]]
*[[MarioWiki:Changing username|How to have your username changed]]

<font size=4>Specific Help</font>

*[[Help:Article|Article]] &ndash; Help creating, expanding, improving an article
*[[Help:Chat|Chat]] &ndash; Information on using the MarioWiki Chatroom
*Color codes &ndash; Help translating colors to hexadecimal
*[[Help:Communication|Communication]] &ndash; How to handle and use talk pages
*[[Help:CSS|CSS]] &ndash; Help creating an unique monobook.css file for each user
*[[Help:Format|Format]] &ndash; Help formatting text
*[[Help:Gallery|Gallery]] &ndash; Help creating a picture gallery
*[[Glossary]] &ndash; Help understanding terms used on the wiki
*Icon &ndash; Help adding an icon
*[[Help:Image|Image]] &ndash; Help putting an image on a page
*[[Help:License|License]] &ndash; Help selecting the license for uploaded media
*[[Help:Link|Link]] &ndash; Help creating a link
*[[Help:List|List]] &ndash; Help creating a list
*[[Help:Redirect|Redirect]] &ndash; Help creating a redirect
*[[Help:Media|Media]] &ndash; Image, audio, and video information
*[[Help:Signature|Signature]] &ndash; Help creating a signature
*[[Help:Table|Table]] &ndash; Help creating a table
*[[Help:Template|Template]] &ndash; Help creating and using a template
*[[Help:Preferences|User preferences]] &ndash; Help with your preferences
*[[Help:Userbox|Userbox]] &ndash; Help creating a userbox
*[[MarioWiki:Vandalism|Vandalism]] &ndash; Help stopping a vandal
*[[Help:YouTube|YouTube]] &ndash; Help embedding YouTube videos ''for your userpage only''

<font size=4>Categories</font>

You are welcome to browse through the following categories:
*[[:Category:Help|Category:Help]]
*[[:Category:Policies|Category:MarioWiki policies]]
*[[:Category:Writing guidelines|Category:Writing guidelines]]

<font size=4>External Resources</font>

*[[metawikimedia:Help:Contents|MediaWiki User's Guide]]
<font size=4>Things you can do</font>
*'''[[MarioWiki:Manual of Style|Start an article]]'''.
*'''[[MarioWiki:List_of_PipeProjects|Join a PipeProject]]'''.
*'''[[MarioWiki:BJAODN|See what you shouldn't do in an article]]'''.
*'''[[Special:Mypage|Create your user page]]'''.
*'''[[MarioWiki:Chat|Communicate in our chatroom]]'''.
*'''[[MarioWiki:The 'Shroom|Write for our local newspaper]]'''.
*'''[[Mariowiki:Pipe Plaza|Check out the site's latest news]]'''.

You can delete this template once you are finished reading it. After all, your user space belongs to you. I hope this information is helpful, and that you'll have a great experience contributing to our knowledge-base and our community. Remember to enjoy your experience here and also {{{3|have fun!}}}

{{{2|Sincerely}}},<br />
[[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]], [[User talk:{{{1}}}|My talk page]]
|}

Well, Ralphfan made a proposal and here is a nice expandable welcome template! Now users can just have a sliver there instead of a block. {{User|Marioguy1}}
:The idea is wonderful, the only thing is that it is very wide. Perhaps hit enter after a couple of sentences so it will shorten it? {{User:Super Mario Bros./sig}} 13:58, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
::I wouldn't know where to begin, I can't find where I should hit as most of the width is due to the image. {{unsigned|Marioguy1}}
:::I think I found out how to fix it. You had the width set to 200% {twice as long as a regular page). does it look good now? {{User:Super Mario Bros./sig}} 14:09, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
::::Well, it looked good before; But Nor it looks even better! I never would of guessed that was the problem...Now we just need an admin to change the template. {{User:Marioguy1/sig}}
:::::I think you're confusing me with Ralphfan, but thanks for the support. The thing with the new template is the writing's a bit too small and I don't think using arial works, how about this? {{User|Timmy Tim}}
{| class="navbox; expandable" width=100% style="border:2px solid #000000; background:whitesmoke;"
!colspan=3 style="background:whitesmoke; font-size:14px; color:black"|<span style="font-size:100%"><big>Welcome, {{{name|{{PAGENAME}}}}}!</big></span>
|-
|[[Image:SMW Mario2.png|right|200px]]

Welcome to the '''Super Mario Wiki!''', a collaborative knowledge-base dedicated to the [[Marioverse]]. We're glad to have you as a member. If you have any questions, just post it on the [[MarioWiki talk:FAQ|FAQ talk page]] or ask an experienced member and/or [[Special:Listusers/sysop|sysop]].

The following articles contain guidance and information about reading, authoring, and participating in the Super Mario Wiki community. If this is your first time visiting, please read our [[MarioWiki:Introduction|Introduction]].

<font size=4>How do I do that?</font>

*[[MarioWiki:FAQ|Frequently asked questions]]
*[[Help:Editing|Editing information]]
*[[MarioWiki:Userspace|User page standards]]
*[[MarioWiki:Changing username|How to have your username changed]]

<font size=4>Specific Help</font>

*[[Help:Article|Article]] &ndash; Help creating, expanding, improving an article
*[[MarioWiki:Babel|Babel]] &ndash; Help for users who speak foreign languages.
*[[Help:Chat|Chat]] &ndash; Information on using the MarioWiki Chatroom
*Color codes &ndash; Help translating colors to hexadecimal
*[[Help:Communication|Communication]] &ndash; How to handle and use talk pages
*[[Help:CSS|CSS]] &ndash; Help creating an unique monobook.css file for each user
*[[Help:Format|Format]] &ndash; Help formatting text
*[[Help:Gallery|Gallery]] &ndash; Help creating a picture gallery
*[[Glossary]] &ndash; Help understanding terms used on the wiki
*Icon &ndash; Help adding an icon
*[[Help:Image|Image]] &ndash; Help putting an image on a page
*[[Help:License|License]] &ndash; Help selecting the license for uploaded media
*[[Help:Link|Link]] &ndash; Help creating a link
*[[Help:List|List]] &ndash; Help creating a list
*[[Help:Redirect|Redirect]] &ndash; Help creating a redirect
*[[Help:Media|Media]] &ndash; Image, audio, and video information
*[[Help:Signature|Signature]] &ndash; Help creating a signature
*[[Help:Table|Table]] &ndash; Help creating a table
*[[Help:Template|Template]] &ndash; Help creating and using a template
*[[Help:Preferences|User preferences]] &ndash; Help with your preferences
*[[Help:Userbox|Userbox]] &ndash; Help creating a userbox
*[[MarioWiki:Vandalism|Vandalism]] &ndash; Help stopping a vandal
*[[Help:YouTube|YouTube]] &ndash; Help embedding YouTube videos ''for your userpage only''

<font size=4>Categories</font>

You are welcome to browse through the following categories:
*[[:Category:Help|Category:Help]]
*[[:Category:Policies|Category:MarioWiki policies]]
*[[:Category:Writing guidelines|Category:Writing guidelines]]

<font size=4>External Resources</font>

*[[metawikimedia:Help:Contents|MediaWiki User's Guide]]
<font size=4>Things you can do</font>
*'''[[MarioWiki:Manual of Style|Start an article]]'''.
*'''[[MarioWiki:List_of_PipeProjects|Join a PipeProject]]'''.
*'''[[MarioWiki:BJAODN|See what you shouldn't do in an article]]'''.
*'''[[Special:Mypage|Create your user page]]'''.
*'''[[MarioWiki:Chat|Communicate in our chatroom]]'''.
*'''[[MarioWiki:The 'Shroom|Write for our local newspaper]]'''.
*'''[[Mariowiki:Pipe Plaza|Check out the site's latest news]]'''.

You can delete this template once you are finished reading it. After all, your user space belongs to you. I hope this information is helpful, and that you'll have a great experience contributing to our knowledge-base and our community. Remember to enjoy your experience here and also {{{3|have fun!}}}

{{{2|Sincerely}}},<br />
[[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]], [[User talk:{{{1}}}|My talk page]]
|}
:What did you do and how did you do it? {{User|Marioguy1}}
::I made the font larger, got rid of arial as the font and made the background 'whitesmoke'. I also made the header big, like it? {{User:Timmy Tim/sig}}
:::The second version is good. In the other one, the font is too small. {{User:Time Q/sig}} 14:53, 11 August 2009 (EDT)
::::So, will you change it? I think Timmy Tim made a proposal to change this, I'll check it up. Until then think about it. {{User|Marioguy1}}
:::::You have my vote, but I think we should wait for more. {{User:Time Q/sig}} 15:19, 11 August 2009 (EDT)
Both missing babel --[http://www.mariowiki.com/User:Tucayo Tucayo]([[User talk:Tucayo|talk]]) [[MarioWiki:The_'Shroom|<span style="font-family:font; color:Green; cursor:crosshair"><font>The 'Shroom</font></span> ]] 15:31, 11 August 2009 (EDT)
:I added babel to mine. {{User:Timmy Tim/sig}}
::I just added Babel to the second Show/Hide one. {{User:Super Mario Bros./sig}} 14:31, 16 August 2009 (EDT)
:::Never mind, I see that Timmy Tim already did that, I thought he meant his custom welcome. {{User:Super Mario Bros./sig}} 14:33, 16 August 2009 (EDT)
::::I did that too. ;) {{User:Timmy Tim/sig}}
==Editprotected==
Change:<pre>-moz-border-radius: 1em</pre>To:<pre>border-radius:1em</pre>Because there's more browsers than just FireFox. {{User:SWFlash/Sig}}

== How is this sent? ==

Do we have a bot that sends this out, or is this manually sent to every new user? [[User:Andymii|Andymii]] ([[User talk:Andymii|talk]]) 22:16, 24 January 2015 (EST)
:There's a bot. When you join, you see the template right away, and then it disappears without creating a talk page. It used to be manually done, but we stopped that practice as a waste of time and server space. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 22:45, 24 January 2015 (EST)

Okay, thanks; I read your post on my talk page. --[[User:Andymii|Andymii]] ([[User talk:Andymii|talk]]) 22:47, 24 January 2015 (EST)
:I wrote that before I noticed this. Anyway, it's good to have it on record here for future reference. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 22:53, 24 January 2015 (EST)

== abandoned ==

Shouldn't this page get the {{tem|abandoned}} template, since it's not meant to be used anymore? {{User:Lord Bowser/sig}} 01:56, 28 May 2017 (EDT)

:Yeah, it should. I'll go ahead and do that, thanks. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 02:02, 28 May 2017 (EDT)

:Interesting question. Technically it's still in-use [[MediaWiki:Welcomecreation-msg|here]] and should be kept up-to-date since new users will continue to see it. So while its use has changed, it's not actually abandoned. --{{User:Porplemontage/sig}} 02:04, 28 May 2017 (EDT)

::Oh, didn't know it used the template. My bad. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 02:06, 28 May 2017 (EDT)

::Perhaps reword the sitenotice then so we don't get the wrong idea? Like instead of saying it's been retired, say it's being scaled down or something? Just a thought really. {{User:Lord Bowser/sig}} 02:08, 28 May 2017 (EDT)
:::I say you can just <code><nowiki><noinclude>{{abandoned}}</noinclude></nowiki></code>. It won't affect [[MediaWiki:Welcomecreation-msg]], but from the template page and [[:Category:Abandoned features]], it will be abandoned for general use. It's not like the staff is looking to delete abandoned features. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 02:11, 28 May 2017 (EDT)
::::I realize that, but the notice template says it's kept only for historical reference. That is 100% wrong - it's meant to be kept updated since new users will continue to see it. I'll add a custom notice template instead. --{{User:Porplemontage/sig}} 02:20, 28 May 2017 (EDT)

== Citations? ==

Why isn't the link to [[MarioWiki:Citations]] there?  I spent half a year not knowing this vital skill.  It would look like this:<br>
[[MarioWiki:Citations|Citation]] &ndash; Help on citing sources used in articles.

-{{User:YoshiFlutterJump/sig}} 00:14, 20 November 2017 (EST)

== A direct quote from this ==

"Good writing – Elements to avoid when writing an article" That should be fixed, but it's fully protected. {{User:PinkYoshiFan/sig}} 11:21, May 19, 2020 (EDT)
:What's wrong with it? {{User:Alex95/sig}} 11:25, May 19, 2020 (EDT)