Editing Template talk:Userspace

Should this be protected? I don't want a vandal removing all of the content and replacing it with "(insert username here) is a(n) (insert swear word here)".

{{User:DK and Diddy Kong vs Bowser and Bowser Jr./sig|What if somebody uses an offensive word?}} 15:19, 8 April 2011 (EDT)

:I totally agree. I shall therefore contact an Admin about this A.S.A.P. {{User:RandomYoshi/sig}} 15:10, 25 September 2011 (EDT)

This issue has been resolved months ago. Try not to reply old comments without checking to see if there is still an issue to be resolved.--{{User|Knife}} 16:00, 29 September 2011 (EDT)

== Unfair ==

I think this is unfair. What's the problem of edit our userspace a time more than the wiki? Some time, we will edit the Wiki again. They don't need to worry. {{User:Goomblob/Sig}} 18:51, 4 November 2011 (EDT)
:But there are people like [[SmashWiki:Special:Contributions/Etbmax|this]], or users who mostly make excessiveness edits to their userpage, and clog recent changes, and who's mainspace are few and often poor. This is not Facebook or whatever, this is the Super Mario Wiki. {{User:Nintendo64Fan/sig}}
::Who cares about recent changes. It will not change the wiki at all. Soon, we'll be prohibited of even HAVE an userpage, or making a little typo unintentionally. {{User:Goomblob/Sig}} 10:07, 6 November 2011 (EST)

== Unfair!!! ==

I totally agree with Ultra_Fuzzy!!! It's ok when users edit Userspaces twice as Mainspaces, but, it's totally unfair that you receive a warning because you made ONE (Or a few) userspace edit(s) more than Mainspace edits !!! And, don't tell me the wiki would be "poor" if it happens, because a few users editing Userspaces won't ruin the wiki!!! I see that, there are users that seems to edit EVERY single page in the wiki, so, it wouldn't be a problem; Oh, and it doesn't means we're gonna NEVER edit the wiki again! {{User:ThePremiumYoshi/sig}} 10:00, 6 November 2011 (EST)
:The point is, editing your userspace means you are focusing on making your userspace look good, and neglecting the mainspace, which is what we are all here for. Regardless of what you say, editing your userspace does affect the mainspace. In small ways at first, like using up time that could be used doing better things, but sooner or later, more users will start and it will get severe. The focus of the wiki will shift from Mario to userpages. That's why we have these rules. {{User:Marioguy1/sig}}

== :) ==

I understand that, but please take a look at Nintendo64fan's Edit Count! He complains about userspace edits, but, he made 446 User talk edits against 288 normal edits!!! He couldn't even post that comment above!!! {{User:ThePremiumYoshi/sig}} 10:40, 6 November 2011 (EST)

:I agree. {{User:Goomblob/Sig}} 10:42, 6 November 2011 (EST)
::I fail to see how Nintendo64fan's editcount has anything to do with the validity of this template. Also could you please not create a new header every time you post a comment. {{User:Marioguy1/sig}}

== How much is a "large ratio of userspace to mainspace edits"? ==

What's the ideal ratio for a userspace warning? Something like 2:1/3:1, more, or less? {{User:Goomba/sig}} 03:48, 16 March 2013 (EDT)

:A ratio shouldn't be how you determine whether to issue a userspace or not. Say if a user made excessive userspace for a long period of time, and then began to focus on mainspace, the ratio will still be there but the user would not deserve a userspace. However, if we reversed that situation, and the user made many mainspace edits over a long period of time, and ''then'' they began to make a whole lot of userspace edits, then the ratio wouldn't really be there, but they ''would'' deserve a userspace to get them back on track. So basically, don't look at the ratio on their edit counts. Look on the user's recent contributions instead.

:{{User:YoshiKong/sig}} 04:08, 16 March 2013 (EDT)

::I see, that makes more sense. {{User:Goomba/sig}} 04:13, 16 March 2013 (EDT)

== Effectiveness ==
{{talk}}
Does this userspace warning actually encourage people to make more edits to the mainspace? I've seen so many users get this warning, it bothers me. I don't think this warning is effective. This, or maybe userspace policy needs to be amended. When people are blocked because they edit their userspace a lot, do they change their behavior or do they tend to continue it? If they change, then the block has done its purpose. If many users have been blocked multiple times simply because of this, then something is not working. After all, a punishment is meant to avert a certain behavior.

Besides, I don't get why people are stressing out over other people's mainspace edit counts when we have a good lot of editors in the first place. I'd be way more concerned if we're a small wiki. Not that I'm discouraging mainspace edits for userspace edits. I just think this "encouragement" is flawed. <br>{{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 17:48, 4 November 2013 (EST)
:Well, editing just your userpage is not what this wiki is about. Having users who edit their user page is no help to this wiki. However big this wiki is, it still needs a lot of help and having users ignore some of the help it it needs in favor of their userpages isn't right. That's why we have all of those restrictions there. MarioWiki is NOT a place purely to socialize and spend most of your time and effort creating userpages, you're supposed to help out with Mario information.
:That being said, this template does rarely change user's behaviors but if users continue making userspace edits after the friendly reminder, this puts them on ground for punishment. It's just like some people who keep putting false or misleading information in articles. We HOPE that they may change but this isn't guaranteed, hence why we SHOULD giving them a reminder/warning for blissfully IGNORING what we just notified of them doing. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 18:01, 4 November 2013 (EST)
::I never said that this wiki is about editing one's userspace. It isn't. It's all about getting voluntary contributors. But we also shouldn't be criticizing here and there to people that edit their userspace, ''especially'' those that are new to wiki editing. The first rung of the wiki editing experience ladder is perhaps an exciting one, and people may be excited to edit their userspace a lot at first (after all, this is what [http://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Baby_Luigi&dir=prev&target=Baby+Luigi you] and [http://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/LeftyGreenMario&dir=prev&target=LeftyGreenMario I] did in the beginning; we, especially I, would've gotten a userspace warning). As you said, this template in general does nothing to encourage people to make more mainspace edits, so why must we have to take the next step to issue a reminder, a warning, and then a block? This just shows that this template is ineffective. This template '''is''' being treated as a reprimanding a user for mainspace edits. And it doesn't work. Ideally, once a user gets this message, the user should NOT get a reminder/warning/block after this, but this often isn't the case. OFTEN is a key word here. Of course there are people that will ignore those kind of things, but this reminder is ineffective, and something needs to be addressed. <br>{{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 18:38, 4 November 2013 (EST)

I agree. A userspace warning doesn't seem like a warning to me, and if a user is committing a userspace violation, they should receive a standard reminder instead. [[User:Ztar Power|Ztar Power]] ([[User talk:Ztar Power|talk]]) 18:42, 4 November 2013 (EST)
:Weird. I've regarded this template as punishment, and it's even dreaded among some users. <br>{{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 18:46, 4 November 2013 (EST)

I like to see input from other users. {{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 18:11, 8 November 2013 (EST)

:@LeftGreenMario: I don't want to argue (well actually I do), but your argument is lacking in depth. First, you are implying that a block isn't enough, and there should be a greater, more severe plateau of punishment to deter users from excessive userspace edits? I can't think of anything we can do while still remaining as a legal website. Second, you have been making sweeping generalizations that the userspace and warning hierarchy has absolutely no effectiveness on the userbase. If a user chooses to ignore the ''informative'' and ''tailored'' template which is the Userspace, just like most other offenses the warning hierarchy will come into play and the situation will escalate. And say if a block doesn't work, and they continue to make excessive userpage edits, it is acceptable for a sysop to fully protect their userpage for an amount of time, in order to entice them to go somewhere else. If you are complaining about the lack of user acknowledgement to talk reminders and warnings, why single out the Userspace as the main issue? There are many users out there who ignore and choose to not adhere to regular warnings: that's their problem, not the systems. As well as this, in response to your belief that ''"this template in general does nothing to encourage people to make more mainspace edits"'', is a standard {{tem|Reminder}} ''any'' more encouraging? As I stated earlier, the Userspace is perfectly tailored to inform users about why such excessive edits isn't desired, and provides suggestions to how the user in question may be able to positively contribute. How could this be any more encouraging? This is what is lacking about your argument: that fact that you are complaining about something while not providing any solid incentives on how the issue could possibly be addressed.

:{{User:YoshiKong/sig}} 07:31, 9 November 2013 (EST)
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 == Effectiveness ==
+{{talk}}
 Does this userspace warning actually encourage people to make more edits to the mainspace? I've seen so many users get this warning, it bothers me. I don't think this warning is effective. This, or maybe userspace policy needs to be amended. When people are blocked because they edit their userspace a lot, do they change their behavior or do they tend to continue it? If they change, then the block has done its purpose. If many users have been blocked multiple times simply because of this, then something is not working. After all, a punishment is meant to avert a certain behavior.
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 :{{User:YoshiKong/sig}} 07:31, 9 November 2013 (EST)
-== Make a change to the template - idea ==
-I think the template need to change the image. I think that Francis, is not what the template represent. I proposed to change it to Monita if you are agree with me, because Monita appear in Nintendo Land and give some trick and details on the activities of Nintendo Land . This template give details about what the user could make on the Super Mario Wiki and Monita is the character that would best suit this template. What do you think about it?--{{User:LudwigVon/sig}}  15:45, 2 August 2015 (EDT)
-{| class="{{#if: {{{overturned|}}}|mw-collapsible mw-collapsed|notice-template reminder}}" style="background:white;margin: .15em;border:1px solid black;padding: .5em 1em;border-radius:1em" width="100%"
-{{#if: {{{overturned|}}}|
-{{!}}-
-{{!}}<center>'''This Reminder has been overturned by the MarioWiki staff. The original Reminder can still be viewed.</center>
-}}
-|-
-|
-[[File:Monita.png|left|55px|link=]]
-'''Hello, {{BASEPAGENAME}}!'''
-The Super Mario Wiki sure is a great place, huh? We strive to have the most comprehensive articles and best resources available about our favorite plumber.
-{{#ifeq: {{{2|}}}|0
-|This is accomplished by having a well-built community that follows our rules and policies as a whole. Which brings us here. It has recently come to our attention that you are violating the [[MarioWiki:Userspace|Userspace Policy]]. Your infringements may include the following:
-{{br|left}}
-*Creating unnecessary [[MarioWiki:Userspace#What about user subpages?|user subpages]].
-*Having too much substantial or non-permitted userspace content, like excessive swearing or personal information. Fake "New Messages" boxes and other fake notice templates, spam, and illegal game links (such as ROMs) are also not allowed.
-*Custom formatting that interferes with the basic appearance of the wiki, such as hiding the sidebar or editing tabs.
-*Archiving your talk page too frequently (it should only be done in big, periodic intervals).
-We advise you to adhere to this notice, or the situation may escalate and a [[MarioWiki:Warning policy#Procedure|Warning]] will be issued. Please remove/alter said content, and tag all unnecessary subpages with <code><nowiki>{{delete}}</nowiki></code> to comply with the rules.
-Please don't take this as a discouragement from enjoying the community. We just need to make sure that your userspace follows our guidelines. Thank you, and keep contributing!
-|This is done by having a nice mix of quality editing and a supportive community. Which brings us here. It has recently come to our attention that the vast majority of [[Special:Contributions/{{BASEPAGENAME}}|your edits]] seem to be on userspace pages ([[MarioWiki:Userspace|userpages]], [[MarioWiki:Userspace#What about user subpages?|user subpages]], talk pages, etc). While we understand how important it is to become known in the community, the wiki as a whole would benefit more from edits on mainspace pages ([[MarioWiki:Manual of Style|articles]], [[MarioWiki:Categories|categories]], [[Help:Template|templates]], etc).
-If you are unsure as to how you can help in the mainspace, you could:
-*Try to expand an article on our [[:Category:Stubs|stub list]].
-*Click "[[Special:Random|Random page]]" in the navigation box to the left. Maybe you'll happen upon a problem no one else has found!
-Please don't take this as a discouragement from enjoying the community. The wiki is, first and foremost, for mainspace edits related to Mario. However, we do have other community geared channels, such as:
-*The [[mb:|Super Mario Boards]].
-*The [[MarioWiki:Chat|Super Mario Wiki Chat]].
-*The user driven community [[userpedia:Main Page|Userpedia]].
-Together, we can make the Super Mario Wiki a fun and informative place for all. Thank you, and keep contributing!
-}}
-{{User|{{{1}}}}}
-<small>This notice is [[MarioWiki:Warning policy#Level One Offenses|official]] and is considered to be a ''permanent record'' focusing on the edit history for your account. This notice is ''not'' to be removed under any circumstances; any attempt to remove this notice will lead to a [[MarioWiki:Warning policy#Level Two Offenses|Warning]] being issued. If this notice was not issued by an [[MarioWiki:Administrators|administrator]] and you feel you have received it in error, you may [[MarioWiki:Appeals|appeal it]].</small>
-|}
-:Monita really isn't a Mario character though. Perhaps something else can work. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 15:47, 2 August 2015 (EDT)
-::Maybe with Toadbert, since he mostly do the same thing has Monita and he's a Mario character. This artwork would be good since he point the sentences with his hand.--{{User:LudwigVon/sig}}  15:52, 2 August 2015 (EDT)
-{| class="{{#if: {{{overturned|}}}|mw-collapsible mw-collapsed|notice-template reminder}}" style="background:white;margin: .15em;border:1px solid black;padding: .5em 1em;border-radius:1em" width="100%"
-{{#if: {{{overturned|}}}|
-{{!}}-
-{{!}}<center>'''This Reminder has been overturned by the MarioWiki staff. The original Reminder can still be viewed.</center>
-}}
-|-
-|
-[[File:Toadbertmlbis.PNG|left|55px|link=]]
-'''Hello, {{BASEPAGENAME}}!'''
-The Super Mario Wiki sure is a great place, huh? We strive to have the most comprehensive articles and best resources available about our favorite plumber.
-{{#ifeq: {{{2|}}}|0
-|This is accomplished by having a well-built community that follows our rules and policies as a whole. Which brings us here. It has recently come to our attention that you are violating the [[MarioWiki:Userspace|Userspace Policy]]. Your infringements may include the following:
-{{br|left}}
-*Creating unnecessary [[MarioWiki:Userspace#What about user subpages?|user subpages]].
-*Having too much substantial or non-permitted userspace content, like excessive swearing or personal information. Fake "New Messages" boxes and other fake notice templates, spam, and illegal game links (such as ROMs) are also not allowed.
-*Custom formatting that interferes with the basic appearance of the wiki, such as hiding the sidebar or editing tabs.
-*Archiving your talk page too frequently (it should only be done in big, periodic intervals).
-We advise you to adhere to this notice, or the situation may escalate and a [[MarioWiki:Warning policy#Procedure|Warning]] will be issued. Please remove/alter said content, and tag all unnecessary subpages with <code><nowiki>{{delete}}</nowiki></code> to comply with the rules.
-Please don't take this as a discouragement from enjoying the community. We just need to make sure that your userspace follows our guidelines. Thank you, and keep contributing!
-|This is done by having a nice mix of quality editing and a supportive community. Which brings us here. It has recently come to our attention that the vast majority of [[Special:Contributions/{{BASEPAGENAME}}|your edits]] seem to be on userspace pages ([[MarioWiki:Userspace|userpages]], [[MarioWiki:Userspace#What about user subpages?|user subpages]], talk pages, etc). While we understand how important it is to become known in the community, the wiki as a whole would benefit more from edits on mainspace pages ([[MarioWiki:Manual of Style|articles]], [[MarioWiki:Categories|categories]], [[Help:Template|templates]], etc).
-If you are unsure as to how you can help in the mainspace, you could:
-*Try to expand an article on our [[:Category:Stubs|stub list]].
-*Click "[[Special:Random|Random page]]" in the navigation box to the left. Maybe you'll happen upon a problem no one else has found!
-Please don't take this as a discouragement from enjoying the community. The wiki is, first and foremost, for mainspace edits related to Mario. However, we do have other community geared channels, such as:
-*The [[mb:|Super Mario Boards]].
-*The [[MarioWiki:Chat|Super Mario Wiki Chat]].
-*The user driven community [[userpedia:Main Page|Userpedia]].
-Together, we can make the Super Mario Wiki a fun and informative place for all. Thank you, and keep contributing!
-}}
-{{User|{{{1}}}}}
-<small>This notice is [[MarioWiki:Warning policy#Level One Offenses|official]] and is considered to be a ''permanent record'' focusing on the edit history for your account. This notice is ''not'' to be removed under any circumstances; any attempt to remove this notice will lead to a [[MarioWiki:Warning policy#Level Two Offenses|Warning]] being issued. If this notice was not issued by an [[MarioWiki:Administrators|administrator]] and you feel you have received it in error, you may [[MarioWiki:Appeals|appeal it]].</small>
-|}
-:::The template's perfectly fine as-is: no need for arbitrary changes. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 16:41, 2 August 2015 (EDT)
-== Userspace Violation  ==
-Lately I've been seen other users get the original Userspace template regardless to whether it was a violation like I saw [[User:PrincessJojora|a user]] get a Userspace template for making user sub-pages for unconstructive purposes but it was the original, why don't we make use of the other one if it's a violation. (I am referring to this one.)
-{{Userspace|User|0}}
-So if it's a violation then why don't we use this coding instead of the original? {{User:Fawful's Minion/sig}} 18:57, 20 July 2016 (EDT)
-:That one should be used, yes. There's nothing preventing people from using it other than not knowing it exists, probably. --{{User:Henry Tucayo Clay/sig}} 19:22, 20 July 2016 (EDT)
-== Image ==
-This template has an image, but I think it's the only one (with a ''[[Mario (franchise)|Mario]]''-related image at least). None of [[Template:Rewrite|these]] [[Template:Rewrite-expand|far]] [[Template:Construction|more]] [[Template:conjecture|commonly]] [[Template:Image|used]] [[Template:Delete|templates]] have images. I think we're doing something wrong if most templates don't have an image, but this one does. Should templates have images or not? I think so, but I want to hear what everyone else has to say. (I have some ideas, in case anyone's interested. If so, ask on [[User talk:Ultimate Mr. L|my Talk Page]], not here, at least until it's decided)<br>
-{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 20:25, 17 November 2016 (EST)
-:{{tem|Delete}} and {{tem|delete-request}} used to have images but they were removed upon redesign but yeah other templates should have images as well. {{User:The RPG Gamer/sig}} 20:27, 17 November 2016 (EST)
-::OK, should I spread this idea to the other templates then?
-::{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 20:30, 17 November 2016 (EST)
-:::It honestly doesn't really matter. The other templates you linked to usually go along the top of the page and are not meant to get in the way of the article. This is a reminder, so it's supposed to be in the way. The image is just a nice touch. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 20:52, 17 November 2016 (EST)
-::::I thought about that after asking this, but something still doesn't add up. If this is going to have an image, so should [[Template:Delete-reason|the]][[Template:New stub-reason|se]].
-::::{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 21:31, 17 November 2016 (EST)
-:::::Not everything needs to have an image, you know. Though is there a particular image that comes to mind for the template? Perhaps the admins would take it under consideration. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 00:50, 18 November 2016 (EST)
-::::::Well, the one for {{tem|new stub-reason}} should definitely have [[:File:Mario head smaller.png|this image]], as it's the one used on the stub template. As for {{tem|delete-reason}}, I was thinking a [[Bob-omb]], maybe [[:File:MKDD Bob-omb.png|this image]]. You may say that the template doesn't immediately make one think of a Bob-omb, but that would mean [[Francis]] didn't fit this template either. Most of the user templates except the two that I listed and the three [[Template:Reminder|Rem]][[Template:aboutfile-reminder|ind]][[Template:imagecategory-reminder|ers]]. Should the reminders have images too? Maybe not the {{tem|aboutfile-reminder}} and {{tem|imagecategory-reminder}}, since those are very big and hard to miss, but what about regular {{tem|reminder}}? Am I going a little overboard here? The only one I'm really sure of is New-stub-reason.
-::::::{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 11:13, 18 November 2016 (EST)
-<blockquote>
-None of [[Template:Rewrite|these]] [[Template:Rewrite-expand|far]] [[Template:Construction|more]] [[Template:conjecture|commonly]] [[Template:Image|used]] [[Template:Delete|templates]] have images.<br>
-If this is going to have an image, so should [[Template:Delete-reason|the]][[Template:New stub-reason|se]].<br>
-[[Template:Reminder|Rem]][[Template:aboutfile-reminder|ind]][[Template:imagecategory-reminder|ers]]
-</blockquote>
-It should be the colors and message that distinguish each of these templates, not an image. There's little need to try and have complete image consistency between all of our notice templates, as there are many differences among the ways notice templates are presented anyway. Due to {{tem|userspace}} being so large, a small image seems fine to add to the aesthetics of the template. But having an "all or nothing at all" stance about this seems counterproductive, especially if we'd need try to find an image to represent for each individual issue notice template is stating.
-Also, [[Template talk:Construction]] contains a lot of relevant discussions which are good to refer back to.
-{{User:Shokora/sig}} 18:06, 18 November 2016 (EST)