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As you can clearly see, Bowser Jr's kart is the same size as Baby Luigi's (a Lightweight), while the Middleweight Luigi's is clearly larger. He is a Lightweight, end of story. --{{User|Burb}} 14:57, 11 February 2017 (EST)

All official material for the game states that there are three weight classes. This isn't Mario Kart 7 where Bowser and DK are in different classes; they're both regarded as Heavyweights in 8 regardless of Bowser having a higher weight stat. It doesn't matter that Cat Peach and Female Villager are lighter than all the Middleweights. They are still Middleweights. This isn't even unique to Mario Kart 8. In Super Circuit, Yoshi was heavier than Peach and Toad, and Bowser was heavier than DK and Wario. Both were called a Light and Heavyweight respectively despite the difference. In addition to that there is nothing to suggest that Bowser Jr is going to be a special case like the Metals, and have a frame size that doesn't match his weight stat. "He was Medium in Mario Kart Wii!" isn't a valid point, and it's the only argument that can really be made. All we have to base judgment off is the frame size, and because of that, we should consider him a Lightweight unless some official news actually comes out that says otherwise. --{{User|Burb}} 21:45, 11 February 2017 (EST)

Uhh.....we leave Bowser Jr. as a Lightweight since that's what he seems to be. Nobody's questioning the classes for Dry Bones, Inkling, and King Boo, and there's no more evidence that they are what the Template says they are than there is for Bowser Jr being a Lightweight. As it stands right now, all actual evidence points towards him being Light, and anything regarding him being Middle is speculation based on a single previous entry in the series. As for the PRIMA vs official site topic, I agree with Baby Luigi that the official site is a more valid source than a strategy guide that wasn't even made by Nintendo. Nintendo themselves used the expanded weight class system in MK7 and ditched it in MK8. Female Villager and Cat Peach should both be considered Medium because they're derivative of Male Villager (Female Villager was an alternate in the orignal version of MK8) and Peach, both of whom are Middleweights. --{{User|Burb}} 10:29, 12 February 2017 (EST)

Again, I raise the point about past Mario Kart games featuring different stats, yet stick to the three weight class system. Super Circuit features differences within the Light and Heavies, yet we don't consider Yoshi and Bowser to have their own weight classes. Each character has their own individual weight in Mario Kart DS, yet we still use the weight class system even though everyone's completely different. There's nothing "outdated" about sticking to the three class system. Mario Kart 7's system isn't the rule, it's the exception. Besides, we're getting way off track, here. This is about Bowser Jr's weight. Given that frame size was evidence enough for all the other new characters in MK8 Deluxe, there is no valid reason as to why Bowser Jr should be viewed any differently. By the logic of "Jr could have a small frame but the weight of medium characters!", we could also say that King Boo might be use large karts but have the weight of a middleweight, or the Inklings might be lightweights with medium frames. --{{User|Burb}} 11:09, 12 February 2017 (EST)

The guide's isn't accurate judging from the list posted earlier that placed Cruiserweights after Heavyweights: in Mario Kart 7 (which officially used this weight system, unlike Mario Kart 8) Cruiserweights were between Heavies and Mediums, not the heaviest class. That inconsistency alongside being sourced by a third party should be enough to invalidate Prima's claims. On top of that.....it's a strategy guide, of course it's going to go more in-depth about the characters' differences. That doesn't mean its class system is official, especially when they didn't even get the classes' names correct. --{{User|Burb}} 12:32, 17 February 2017 (EST)