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| Can you really state the reason a last warning is issued? | | Can you really state the reason a last warning is issued? |
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| <nowiki>{{last warning|2=insulting other users}}</nowiki> (Just an example) | | <nowiki>{{lastwarn|2=insulting other users}}</nowiki> (Just an example) |
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| Now let's see what it looks like. | | Now let's see what it looks like. |
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| {{last warning|2=insulting other users}} | | {{lastwarn|2=insulting other users}} |
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| Doesn't work. | | Doesn't work. |
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| What really sucks is that I can't fix this! >X( | | What really sucks is that I can't fix this! >X( |
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| <nowiki> {{last warningg|2=inserting false information on [[page]]}}</nowiki> | | <nowiki> {{lastwarng|2=inserting false information on [[page]]}}</nowiki> |
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| Seriously? That '''g''' at the end of '''lastwarn'''? | | Seriously? That '''g''' at the end of '''lastwarn'''? |
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| :: See, if I included that "g", the template doesn't even show up. | | :: See, if I included that "g", the template doesn't even show up. |
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| <nowiki>{{last warningg|2=inserting false information on [[page]]}}</nowiki> | | <nowiki>{{lastwarng|2=inserting false information on [[page]]}}</nowiki> |
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| Instead ^this^ crops up. {{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 19:25, 29 March 2011 (EDT) | | Instead ^this^ crops up. {{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 19:25, 29 March 2011 (EDT) |
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| == Reasons == | | == Reasons == |
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| I see this has been discussed before, but why isn't a reason necessary with this warning template? I made a test draft [http://www.mariowiki.com/User:Driftmaster130/sandbox#Revamped_.7B.7Blastwarn.7D.7D here] which allows users to add a reason for issuing the last warning (the last sentence is optional; if they don't specify a reason it will read like how it is now, similar to how a regular {{tem|warning}} does without an input).--{{User:Driftmaster130/sig}} 12:44, 4 June 2016 (EDT) | | I see this has been discussed before, but why isn't a reason necessary with this warning template? I made a test draft [http://www.mariowiki.com/User:Driftmaster130/sandbox#Revamped_.7B.7Blastwarn.7D.7D here] which allows users to add a reason for issuing the last warning (the last sentence is optional; if they don't specify a reason it will read like how it is now, similar to how a regular {{tem|warning}} does without an input).--{{User:Driftmaster130/sig}} 12:44, 4 June 2016 (EDT) |
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| I see we never got around to commenting on this, so I'll go ahead. In short, what RandomYoshi said. To comment further, all of the disciplinary user templates are designed around the idea that the first template (reminder) is going to lay down what the issue is and each subsequent template is basically saying "that? stop that". This sort of eliminates the need to elaborate in this one, but the template has enough flexibility that if further notes are needed, they can either be jury rigged in or added just under the template after it's posted. Further, the idea was to avoid a checkbox type system where any fool can (and will) make use the templates for any old thing. Having a rigid "check this box if Billy is being a dick" system removes the inherent feeling of "is this actually proper use of the template" that the current method provides. It's the knife Dr. Clef hands you before you waste his time and it's worked pretty well so far. -- {{User:Ghost Jam/sig}} 05:41, 25 June 2016 (EDT) | | I see we never got around to commenting on this, so I'll go ahead. In short, what RandomYoshi said. To comment further, all of the disciplinary user templates are designed around the idea that the first template (reminder) is going to lay down what the issue is and each subsequent template is basically saying "that? stop that". This sort of eliminates the need to elaborate in this one, but the template has enough flexibility that if further notes are needed, they can either be jury rigged in or added just under the template after it's posted. Further, the idea was to avoid a checkbox type system where any fool can (and will) make use the templates for any old thing. Having a rigid "check this box if Billy is being a dick" system removes the inherent feeling of "is this actually proper use of the template" that the current method provides. It's the knife Dr. Clef hands you before you waste his time and it's worked pretty well so far. -- {{User:Ghost Jam/sig}} 05:41, 25 June 2016 (EDT) |
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| Due to the template's effects on whether or not a user is blocked, would a category for users with last warnings be necessary? The title would be [[:Category:Users with last warnings]] or some variant thereof, and the text might go like this:
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| This is a category for users with [[MarioWiki:Warning policy#Level three offenses|last warnings]].
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| {{User:TheDarkStar/sig}} 23:43, October 22, 2019 (EDT)
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| :That's a bad idea for '''''several''' reasons'', starting with the fact that it's essentially keeping a list of potential targets for trollbaiting by others. Not to mention highlighting particular users in such a manner will certainly make them ''feel'' unfairly targeted to say the least, which in turn is very likely to impact how they react to any further reprimands or administrative actions. --{{User:Lord Grammaticus/sig}} 00:09, October 23, 2019 (EDT)
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| ::<nowiki>*slaps own face*</nowiki> Well, thanks for the reasoning behind that. {{User:TheDarkStar/sig}} 00:13, October 23, 2019 (EDT)
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| :::Also, we haven't even had a category for users for more than 10 years, and there's no reason to have one now, let alone this very specific type of subcategory which doesn't add any realistic convenience towards handling administrative matters, on top of the above. The templates themselves and the system governing them are an adequate means of tracking user infraction history as is. --{{User:Lord Grammaticus/sig}} 00:53, October 23, 2019 (EDT)
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| == Be as more specific as the {{tem|reminder}} and {{tem|warning}} templates ==
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| {{Settled TPP}}
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| {{Proposal outcome|passed|4-2|Be as specific as the reminder and warning templates}}
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| The {{tem|reminder}} and {{tem|warning}} templates seem to have options for both the <code>page</code> parameter and the <code>reason</code> parameter. This time, the <nowiki>{{last warning}}</nowiki> needs an option for said parameters.
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| The template currently reads as follows:
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| ! colspan="2" {{!}} This last warning has been overturned by the MarioWiki staff. The original warning can still be viewed.
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| | [[File:Lastwarn.svg|45px|link=]]
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| | This is your '''[[MarioWiki:Warning policy#Level three offenses|last warning]]'''. The next time you break the rules in any way, you ''will'' be '''blocked from editing the Super Mario Wiki'''.<br><span style="font-size:smaller">If you feel this last warning was undeserved, you may [[MarioWiki:Appeals|appeal]] it.</span>
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| | This is your '''[[MarioWiki:Warning policy#Level three offenses|last warning]]'''. The next time you break the rules in any way, you ''will'' be '''blocked from editing the Super Mario Wiki'''.<br><span style="font-size:smaller">If you feel this last warning was undeserved, you may [[MarioWiki:Appeals|appeal]] it.</span>
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| However, if we add an option for both the <code>page</code> parameter and the <code>reason</code> parameter right after the proposal passes, then the template will read as follows:
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| ! colspan="2" {{!}} This last warning has been overturned by the MarioWiki staff. The original warning can still be viewed.
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| | [[File:Lastwarn.svg|45px|link=]]
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| | This is your '''[[MarioWiki:Warning policy#Level three offenses|last warning]]'''. The next time you break the rules in any way such as ''{{{reason|{{{2|your disruptive editing}}}}}}'' {{#if:{{{page|{{{1|}}}}}}|regarding the page {{#ifexist:{{{page|{{{1}}}}}}|[[{{{page|{{{1}}}}}}]]|''{{{page|{{{1}}}}}}''}}}}, you ''will'' be '''blocked from editing the Super Mario Wiki'''.<br><span style="font-size:smaller">If you feel this last warning was undeserved, you may [[MarioWiki:Appeals|appeal]] it.</span>
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| | This is your '''[[MarioWiki:Warning policy#Level three offenses|last warning]]'''. The next time you break the rules in any way such as ''your disruptive editing'', you ''will'' be '''blocked from editing the Super Mario Wiki'''.<br><span style="font-size:smaller">If you feel this last warning was undeserved, you may [[MarioWiki:Appeals|appeal]] it.</span>
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| Here are some good examples.
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| <code><nowiki>{{last warning|reason=making major changes without an approval}}</nowiki></code>
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| {{!}} [[File:Lastwarn.svg|45px|link=]]
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| {{!}} This is your '''[[MarioWiki:Warning policy#Level three offenses|last warning]]'''. The next time you break the rules in any way such as ''making major changes without an approval'', you ''will'' be '''blocked from editing the Super Mario Wiki'''.<br><span style="font-size:smaller">If you feel this last warning was undeserved, you may [[MarioWiki:Appeals|appeal]] it.</span>
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| {{!}} This is your '''[[MarioWiki:Warning policy#Level three offenses|last warning]]'''. The next time you break the rules in any way such as ''your disruptive editing'' regarding the page [[Super Mario Bros.]], you ''will'' be '''blocked from editing the Super Mario Wiki'''.<br><span style="font-size:smaller">If you feel this last warning was undeserved, you may [[MarioWiki:Appeals|appeal]] it.</span>
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| {{!}} This is your '''[[MarioWiki:Warning policy#Level three offenses|last warning]]'''. The next time you break the rules in any way such as ''making major changes without an approval'' regarding the page [[Super Mario Bros.]], you ''will'' be '''blocked from editing the Super Mario Wiki'''.<br><span style="font-size:smaller">If you feel this last warning was undeserved, you may [[MarioWiki:Appeals|appeal]] it.</span>
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| {{!}} This is your '''[[MarioWiki:Warning policy#Level three offenses|last warning]]'''. The next time you break the rules in any way such as ''your disruptive editing'', you ''will'' be '''blocked from editing the Super Mario Wiki'''.<br><span style="font-size:smaller">If you feel this last warning was undeserved, you may [[MarioWiki:Appeals|appeal]] it.</span>
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| {{!}} This is your '''[[MarioWiki:Warning policy#Level three offenses|last warning]]'''. The next time you break the rules in any way such as ''making major changes without an approval'', you ''will'' be '''blocked from editing the Super Mario Wiki'''.<br><span style="font-size:smaller">If you feel this last warning was undeserved, you may [[MarioWiki:Appeals|appeal]] it.</span>
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| {{!}} This is your '''[[MarioWiki:Warning policy#Level three offenses|last warning]]'''. The next time you break the rules in any way such as ''making major changes without an approval'' regarding the page [[Super Mario Bros.]], you ''will'' be '''blocked from editing the Super Mario Wiki'''.<br><span style="font-size:smaller">If you feel this last warning was undeserved, you may [[MarioWiki:Appeals|appeal]] it.</span>
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| What do you think of this idea?
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| '''Proposer''': {{User|GuntherBayBeee}}<br>
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| '''Deadline''': August 7, 2024, 23:59 GMT
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| ====Support====
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| #{{User|GuntherBayBeee}} Per proposal
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| #{{user|Arend}} It is kinda strange that the last warning template doesn't have options like these, when the reminder and regular warning templates, and even the block template, do.
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| #{{User|Jdtendo}} Per Arend.
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| #{{User|Super Mario RPG}} Works for me.
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| ====Oppose====
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| #{{User|Power Flotzo}} This kinda feels unnecessary to me. The phrase "in any way" means any further infraction can result in the user getting blocked.
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| #{{User|Sparks}} The [[Template:Reminder|Reminder]] and [[Template:Warning|Warning]] templates state the reasons why they were given so that the users would know how to improve and avoid any future ones. If the same were to be done with the Last Warning template, users who received it would give them the impression that they can do anything else that would usually result in a reminder or warning and still go off unblocked. In other words, users would try to do other actions not stated on the template they received (for example, if they got it for "removing comments", they might try to participate in an edit war because "the last warning didn't state it"). Last Warnings are meant to firmly tell users to follow the rules, guidelines and policies in general because, as the name of the template (last warning) implies, they are the final warning before a block occurs.
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