Editing Template talk:Last warning

Can you really state the reason a last warning is issued?

<nowiki>{{lastwarn|2=insulting other users}}</nowiki> (Just an example)

Now let's see what it looks like.

{{lastwarn|2=insulting other users}}

Doesn't work.

{{User:DK and Diddy Kong vs Bowser and Bowser Jr./Sig}} 16:24, 29 March 2011 (EDT)



It doesn't work. The example doesn't even work (even with that "g" removed). Someone should fix this.

What really sucks is that I can't fix this! >X(

<nowiki> {{lastwarng|2=inserting false information on [[page]]}}</nowiki>

Seriously? That '''g''' at the end of '''lastwarn'''?
{{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 16:50, 29 March 2011 (EDT)

I think it is saying "'''last''' '''warn'''in'''g'''"

{{User:DK and Diddy Kong vs Bowser and Bowser Jr./sig}}
:No, it's supposed to be "lastwarn", but somebody accidentally put in a 'g'. {{User:Yoshiwaker/sig}}

:: See, if I included that "g", the template doesn't even show up.

<nowiki>{{lastwarng|2=inserting false information on [[page]]}}</nowiki>

Instead ^this^ crops up. {{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 19:25, 29 March 2011 (EDT)

Shouldn't it say '''the way you have been''' on the template instead of '''in any way'''?[[User:Mr Man|Mr Man]] 14:10, 30 October 2011 (EDT)

No. {{User:Mario & Luigi/sig}}
:"In any way" refers to any, even very small, infraction of the rules, so there's the reason for the "no". {{User:MrConcreteDonkey/sig}} 14:18, 30 October 2011 (EDT)
:: Per this -- and to clarify, this is mainly telling the offending user who committed a major breach of the rules that they are walking on thin ice; if they committ one more screw-up, those of us who are admins will be forced to take action (via handing out blocks against those who need to be held accountable). --M. C. - "Mario Gals" Fan! [[User:MeritC|User Page]] | [[User_talk:MeritC|Talk Page]] 14:31, 30 October 2011 (EDT)

== Warning Policy link ==

The link needs to have the capitalization removed so it goes to the right section (same for [[Template:Userspace]], [[Template:Reminder]] and [[Template:Warning]]). [[User:Niiue|Niiue]] ([[User talk:Niiue|talk]]) 02:32, 5 October 2015 (EDT)

==The Lastwarn template==
Im the only editor that lives in Israel, the Hand means hello in my region, so can ya'll make region specific Lastwarn Templates? [[File:Discard items.jpg|35px]] TabuuandPeach [[File:Thy big splash!.jpg|35px]] 18:10, 6 May 2016 (EDT)
:That is not necessary. We can't make little changes because it might mean something else in other regions. Heck, in Greece, I believe it's considered disrespectful to show an open palm. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 18:27, 6 May 2016 (EDT)

Well People in the Middle East like me say that an open palm means hello. And they may break the rules again if they got a Last Warning. I think it should be replaced with a stop sign, us in the Middle East knows a stop sign means like the back of their hands. [[File:Discard items.jpg|35px]] TabuuandPeach [[File:Thy big splash!.jpg|35px]] 21:02, 6 May 2016 (EDT)
:This template is only meant to warn users for breaking the rules, and as Bazooka Mario said, will not be tailored to different users' views, so please stop. If we did that then there would be at least a hundred different versions of the same template. Also the image is more of an aesthetic; the text is what matters and if users can get the point, regardless of what they interpret the image as, it's all that's needed.--{{User:Driftmaster130/sig}} 22:33, 6 May 2016 (EDT)
::"I'm from X and Y is interpreted as Z" is totally irrelevant, end of discussion. {{User:Roy Koopa/sig}} 22:58, 6 May 2016 (EDT)

@Driftmaster130 and @Roy Koopa, im trying to say that it shoulc be replaced with a Stop Sign and nothing else.  [[File:Discard items.jpg|35px]] TabuuandPeach [[File:Thy big splash!.jpg|35px]] 00:15, 7 May 2016 (EDT)
:It won't be replaced. The text makes it quite evident what this wants to achieve. --{{User:Henry Tucayo Clay/sig}} 00:28, 7 May 2016 (EDT)

== Reasons ==
I see this has been discussed before, but why isn't a reason necessary with this warning template? I made a test draft [http://www.mariowiki.com/User:Driftmaster130/sandbox#Revamped_.7B.7Blastwarn.7D.7D here] which allows users to add a reason for issuing the last warning (the last sentence is optional; if they don't specify a reason it will read like how it is now, similar to how a regular {{tem|warning}} does without an input).--{{User:Driftmaster130/sig}} 12:44, 4 June 2016 (EDT)

Yeah, this makes sense. I'd highly consider making a proposal for this. --[[User:Andymii|Andymii]] ([[User talk:Andymii|talk]]) 00:26, 8 June 2016 (EDT)
:As a general comment, the brief reasoning to be potentially included in the template is not to be a replacement of the explanation that usually follows a Last Warning. Even if the reasoning is listed on the template, users should aim to be more detailed on the offenses that led to the LW.--{{User:Henry Tucayo Clay/sig}} 22:33, 8 June 2016 (EDT)
::I also thought this was supposed to be an upgrade from the regular warning template, so the reasons here in paper should be the same as the warning. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 00:35, 9 June 2016 (EDT)

My opinion on this is that if you get a Last Warning, you better read the '''entire''' message provided to you on your Talk Page at least three times until you fully understand what you've done wrong. Last Warnings are fickle things: you don't want to issue a Last Warning without there being a solid reason for it. I feel as if introducing a {{{reason}}} parameter for this template is detrimental to this, since this will likely increase the amount of Last Warnings issued. It's incredibly easy to fall in the trap of thinking that filling in the {{{reason}}} parameter is good enough and then follow up with a short remark, but for a Last Warning I don't feel like this is an option. Again, issuing a Last Warning is no joke. There should always be multiple other options available to you before you issue a Last Warning, and every second spent writing a warning message will likely give you time to reassure yourself that what you're doing is actually the right thing to do. {{User|Bazooka Mario}} also brings forward a good point: a Last Warning is there to upgrade the threat level to your editing privileges. If there are additional reasons why the Last Warn was received, those better damn be represented in the Talk Page message that accompanies the Last Warning. Overall, I don't like this at all. {{User:RandomYoshi/sig}} 20:27, 12 June 2016 (EDT)
:I see what you mean but perhaps a Last Warning may be more effective with the addition of "you have received this warning for X"? It seems like another authoritative part to emphasize the seriousness of the warning (of course there's nothing wrong with the current form but this may improve it). Also I don't see what you're getting at with "this will likely increase the amount of Last Warnings issued"; similar to a regular {{tem|warning}} the parameter would be completely optional, it can read just like it does now and still convey the same message. I don't understand how it would necessarily result in more of them being given out, maybe you could elaborate on this more? {{User:Driftmaster130/sig}} 21:01, 12 June 2016 (EDT)
::I don't think we need to add a reason to a last warning, as Bazooka Mario says the last warning is mostly a upgrade version of the regular warning, and adding a reason would just be a repetition to what the reminder and warning says. If a user goes through a reminder, a warning and then a last warning, that use really lacks seriousness to take the time to read the wiki rules, there may be many, but if he wants to avoid problems, you should take the time to read them. Also, to have a last warning you muste do a level three offense and I think the user deserves a big summary below the last warning about the bad behavior and what he need to change rather than a short one summary to be add to the template. There is a real problem with what you do if you got a last warning, if you have not read your reminder and warning notices, you show no interest in changing behavior.--{{User:LudwigVon/sig}}  21:27, 12 June 2016 (EDT)

I see we never got around to commenting on this, so I'll go ahead. In short, what RandomYoshi said. To comment further, all of the disciplinary user templates are designed around the idea that the first template (reminder) is going to lay down what the issue is and each subsequent template is basically saying "that? stop that". This sort of eliminates the need to elaborate in this one, but the template has enough flexibility that if further notes are needed, they can either be jury rigged in or added just under the template after it's posted. Further, the idea was to avoid a checkbox type system where any fool can (and will) make use the templates for any old thing. Having a rigid "check this box if Billy is being a dick" system removes the inherent feeling of "is this actually proper use of the template" that the current method provides. It's the knife Dr. Clef hands you before you waste his time and it's worked pretty well so far. -- {{User:Ghost Jam/sig}} 05:41, 25 June 2016 (EDT)

==Category==
Due to the template's effects on whether or not a user is blocked, would a category for users with last warnings be necessary? The title would be [[:Category:Users with last warnings]] or some variant thereof, and the text might go like this:
<blockquote>
This is a category for users with [[MarioWiki:Warning policy#Level three offenses|last warnings]].
</blockquote>
{{User:TheDarkStar/sig}} 23:43, October 22, 2019 (EDT)

:That's a bad idea for '''''several''' reasons'', starting with the fact that it's essentially keeping a list of potential targets for trollbaiting by others. Not to mention highlighting particular users in such a manner will certainly make them ''feel'' unfairly targeted to say the least, which in turn is very likely to impact how they react to any further reprimands or administrative actions. --{{User:Lord Grammaticus/sig}} 00:09, October 23, 2019 (EDT)
::<nowiki>*slaps own face*</nowiki> Well, thanks for the reasoning behind that. {{User:TheDarkStar/sig}} 00:13, October 23, 2019 (EDT)
:::Also, we haven't even had a category for users for more than 10 years, and there's no reason to have one now, let alone this very specific type of subcategory which doesn't add any realistic convenience towards handling administrative matters, on top of the above. The templates themselves and the system governing them are an adequate means of tracking user infraction history as is. --{{User:Lord Grammaticus/sig}} 00:53, October 23, 2019 (EDT)

== Be as more specific as the {{tem|reminder}} and {{tem|warning}} templates ==

{{Settled TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|passed|4-2|Be as specific as the reminder and warning templates}}
The {{tem|reminder}} and {{tem|warning}} templates seem to have options for both the <code>page</code> parameter and the <code>reason</code> parameter. This time, the <nowiki>{{last warning}}</nowiki> needs an option for said parameters.

The template currently reads as follows:

<pre>
{| class="{{#if:{{{overturned|}}}|mw-collapsible mw-collapsed|notice-template user}}" style="width:100%;background:#fff;border:1px solid #000;border-radius:1em;padding:.5em 1em;margin:.15em"
{{#if:{{{overturned|}}}|
! colspan="2" {{!}} This last warning has been overturned by the MarioWiki staff. The original warning can still be viewed.
}}
|-
| [[File:Lastwarn.svg|45px|link=]]
| This is your '''[[MarioWiki:Warning policy#Level three offenses|last warning]]'''. The next time you break the rules in any way, you ''will'' be '''blocked from editing the Super Mario Wiki'''.<br><span style="font-size:smaller">If you feel this last warning was undeserved, you may [[MarioWiki:Appeals|appeal]] it.</span>
|}
</pre>

{| class="notice-template user" style="width:100%;background:#fff;border:1px solid #000;border-radius:1em;padding:.5em 1em;margin:.15em"
|-
| [[File:Lastwarn.svg|45px|link=]]
| This is your '''[[MarioWiki:Warning policy#Level three offenses|last warning]]'''. The next time you break the rules in any way, you ''will'' be '''blocked from editing the Super Mario Wiki'''.<br><span style="font-size:smaller">If you feel this last warning was undeserved, you may [[MarioWiki:Appeals|appeal]] it.</span>
|}

However, if we add an option for both the <code>page</code> parameter and the <code>reason</code> parameter right after the proposal passes, then the template will read as follows:

<pre>
{| class="{{#if:{{{overturned|}}}|mw-collapsible mw-collapsed|notice-template user}}" style="width:100%;background:#fff;border:1px solid #000;border-radius:1em;padding:.5em 1em;margin:.15em"
{{#if:{{{overturned|}}}|
! colspan="2" {{!}} This last warning has been overturned by the MarioWiki staff. The original warning can still be viewed.
}}
|-
| [[File:Lastwarn.svg|45px|link=]]
| This is your '''[[MarioWiki:Warning policy#Level three offenses|last warning]]'''. The next time you break the rules in any way such as ''{{{reason|{{{2|your disruptive editing}}}}}}'' {{#if:{{{page|{{{1|}}}}}}|regarding the page {{#ifexist:{{{page|{{{1}}}}}}|[[{{{page|{{{1}}}}}}]]|''{{{page|{{{1}}}}}}''}}}}, you ''will'' be '''blocked from editing the Super Mario Wiki'''.<br><span style="font-size:smaller">If you feel this last warning was undeserved, you may [[MarioWiki:Appeals|appeal]] it.</span>
|}
</pre>

{| class="notice-template user" style="width:100%;background:#fff;border:1px solid #000;border-radius:1em;padding:.5em 1em;margin:.15em"
|-
| [[File:Lastwarn.svg|45px|link=]]
| This is your '''[[MarioWiki:Warning policy#Level three offenses|last warning]]'''. The next time you break the rules in any way such as ''your disruptive editing'', you ''will'' be '''blocked from editing the Super Mario Wiki'''.<br><span style="font-size:smaller">If you feel this last warning was undeserved, you may [[MarioWiki:Appeals|appeal]] it.</span>
|}

Here are some good examples.

<code><nowiki>{{last warning|reason=making major changes without an approval}}</nowiki></code>

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{{hide|show=Show example|hide=Hide example|content=
{{{!}} class="notice-template user" style="width:100%;background:#fff;border:1px solid #000;border-radius:1em;padding:.5em 1em;margin:.15em"
{{!}}-
{{!}} [[File:Lastwarn.svg|45px|link=]]
{{!}} This is your '''[[MarioWiki:Warning policy#Level three offenses|last warning]]'''. The next time you break the rules in any way such as ''making major changes without an approval'', you ''will'' be '''blocked from editing the Super Mario Wiki'''.<br><span style="font-size:smaller">If you feel this last warning was undeserved, you may [[MarioWiki:Appeals|appeal]] it.</span>
{{!}}}
}}
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<code><nowiki>{{last warning|page=Super Mario Bros.}}</nowiki></code>

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{{hide|show=Show example|hide=Hide example|content=
{{{!}} class="notice-template user" style="width:100%;background:#fff;border:1px solid #000;border-radius:1em;padding:.5em 1em;margin:.15em"
{{!}}-
{{!}} [[File:Lastwarn.svg|45px|link=]]
{{!}} This is your '''[[MarioWiki:Warning policy#Level three offenses|last warning]]'''. The next time you break the rules in any way such as ''your disruptive editing'' regarding the page [[Super Mario Bros.]], you ''will'' be '''blocked from editing the Super Mario Wiki'''.<br><span style="font-size:smaller">If you feel this last warning was undeserved, you may [[MarioWiki:Appeals|appeal]] it.</span>
{{!}}}
}}
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<code><nowiki>{{last warning|Super Mario Bros.|making major changes without an approval}}</nowiki></code>

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{{hide|show=Show example|hide=Hide example|content=
{{{!}} class="notice-template user" style="width:100%;background:#fff;border:1px solid #000;border-radius:1em;padding:.5em 1em;margin:.15em"
{{!}}-
{{!}} [[File:Lastwarn.svg|45px|link=]]
{{!}} This is your '''[[MarioWiki:Warning policy#Level three offenses|last warning]]'''. The next time you break the rules in any way such as ''making major changes without an approval'' regarding the page [[Super Mario Bros.]], you ''will'' be '''blocked from editing the Super Mario Wiki'''.<br><span style="font-size:smaller">If you feel this last warning was undeserved, you may [[MarioWiki:Appeals|appeal]] it.</span>
{{!}}}
}}
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<code><nowiki>{{last warning|overturned=yes}}</nowiki></code>

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{{hide|show=Show example|hide=Hide example|content=
{{{!}} class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" style="width:100%;background:#fff;border:1px solid #000;border-radius:1em;padding:.5em 1em;margin:.15em"
! colspan="2" {{!}} This last warning has been overturned by the MarioWiki staff. The original warning can still be viewed.
{{!}}-
{{!}} [[File:Lastwarn.svg|45px|link=]]
{{!}} This is your '''[[MarioWiki:Warning policy#Level three offenses|last warning]]'''. The next time you break the rules in any way such as ''your disruptive editing'', you ''will'' be '''blocked from editing the Super Mario Wiki'''.<br><span style="font-size:smaller">If you feel this last warning was undeserved, you may [[MarioWiki:Appeals|appeal]] it.</span>
{{!}}}
}}
----

<code><nowiki>{{last warning|reason=making major changes without an approval|overturned=yes}}</nowiki></code>

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{{hide|show=Show example|hide=Hide example|content=
{{{!}} class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" style="width:100%;background:#fff;border:1px solid #000;border-radius:1em;padding:.5em 1em;margin:.15em"
! colspan="2" {{!}} This last warning has been overturned by the MarioWiki staff. The original warning can still be viewed.
{{!}}-
{{!}} [[File:Lastwarn.svg|45px|link=]]
{{!}} This is your '''[[MarioWiki:Warning policy#Level three offenses|last warning]]'''. The next time you break the rules in any way such as ''making major changes without an approval'', you ''will'' be '''blocked from editing the Super Mario Wiki'''.<br><span style="font-size:smaller">If you feel this last warning was undeserved, you may [[MarioWiki:Appeals|appeal]] it.</span>
{{!}}}
}}
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<code><nowiki>{{last warning|page=Super Mario Bros.|overturned=yes}}</nowiki></code>

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{{hide|show=Show example|hide=Hide example|content=
{{{!}} class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" style="width:100%;background:#fff;border:1px solid #000;border-radius:1em;padding:.5em 1em;margin:.15em"
! colspan="2" {{!}} This last warning has been overturned by the MarioWiki staff. The original warning can still be viewed.
{{!}}-
{{!}} [[File:Lastwarn.svg|45px|link=]]
{{!}} This is your '''[[MarioWiki:Warning policy#Level three offenses|last warning]]'''. The next time you break the rules in any way such as ''your disruptive editing'' regarding the page [[Super Mario Bros.]], you ''will'' be '''blocked from editing the Super Mario Wiki'''.<br><span style="font-size:smaller">If you feel this last warning was undeserved, you may [[MarioWiki:Appeals|appeal]] it.</span>
{{!}}}
}}
----

<code><nowiki>{{last warning|Super Mario Bros.|making major changes without an approval|overturned=yes}}</nowiki></code>

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{{hide|show=Show example|hide=Hide example|content=
{{{!}} class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" style="width:100%;background:#fff;border:1px solid #000;border-radius:1em;padding:.5em 1em;margin:.15em"
! colspan="2" {{!}} This last warning has been overturned by the MarioWiki staff. The original warning can still be viewed.
{{!}}-
{{!}} [[File:Lastwarn.svg|45px|link=]]
{{!}} This is your '''[[MarioWiki:Warning policy#Level three offenses|last warning]]'''. The next time you break the rules in any way such as ''making major changes without an approval'' regarding the page [[Super Mario Bros.]], you ''will'' be '''blocked from editing the Super Mario Wiki'''.<br><span style="font-size:smaller">If you feel this last warning was undeserved, you may [[MarioWiki:Appeals|appeal]] it.</span>
{{!}}}
}}
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What do you think of this idea?

'''Proposer''': {{User|GuntherBayBeee}}<br>
'''Deadline''': August 7, 2024, 23:59 GMT

====Support====
#{{User|GuntherBayBeee}} Per proposal
#{{user|Arend}} It is kinda strange that the last warning template doesn't have options like these, when the reminder and regular warning templates, and even the block template, do.
#{{User|Jdtendo}} Per Arend.
#{{User|Super Mario RPG}} Works for me.

====Oppose====
#{{User|Power Flotzo}} This kinda feels unnecessary to me. The phrase "in any way" means any further infraction can result in the user getting blocked.
#{{User|Sparks}} The [[Template:Reminder|Reminder]] and [[Template:Warning|Warning]] templates state the reasons why they were given so that the users would know how to improve and avoid any future ones. If the same were to be done with the Last Warning template, users who received it would give them the impression that they can do anything else that would usually result in a reminder or warning and still go off unblocked. In other words, users would try to do other actions not stated on the template they received (for example, if they got it for "removing comments", they might try to participate in an edit war because "the last warning didn't state it"). Last Warnings are meant to firmly tell users to follow the rules, guidelines and policies in general because, as the name of the template (last warning) implies, they are the final warning before a block occurs.

====Comments====