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#{{User|Megadardery}} Per all, all articles in any wiki are constantly being worked on to be made better, so really, the "informal appearance" is the only reason this template should be placed. Otherwise, if the article is skimming info, a more appropriate template (such as {{tem|rewrite-expand}}) should be placed instead. | #{{User|Megadardery}} Per all, all articles in any wiki are constantly being worked on to be made better, so really, the "informal appearance" is the only reason this template should be placed. Otherwise, if the article is skimming info, a more appropriate template (such as {{tem|rewrite-expand}}) should be placed instead. | ||
#{{User|Time Turner}} Per all. | #{{User|Time Turner}} Per all. | ||
#{{User|Reboot}} Frankly, I feel this template should only be used if and only if a page is being currently worked on (i.e., there's a major edit being written by a specific person over the course of no more than a matter of hours). If there's no work being done on it, the page simply isn't "under construction". Otherwise, a template like {{tem|rewrite}} | #{{User|Reboot}} Frankly, I feel this template should only be used if and only if a page is being currently worked on (i.e., there's a major edit being written by a specific person over the course of no more than a matter of hours). If there's no work being done on it, the page simply isn't "under construction". Otherwise, a template like {{tem|rewrite}} or {{tem|rewrite-expand}} should be used. Currently, it is HUGELY overused, and anything that cuts back on that is welcome. | ||
#{{User|MrConcreteDonkey}} – Per all. When the informal appearance isn't noticeable, the construction template will only draw more attention to it. | #{{User|MrConcreteDonkey}} – Per all. When the informal appearance isn't noticeable, the construction template will only draw more attention to it. | ||
#{{User|Walkazo}} - Per proposal and myself as quoted in it. If the article's not conspicuously under construction (numerous missing/blank/one-liner sections, half-finished tables - things that even someone with no knowledge of the subject would pick up on as being in-progress), then the template itself will be the only thing ''making'' it look obviously bad: kinda shooting yourself in the foot there, so it seems reasonable to dissuade that kind of usage. It's especially bad on high-profile pages: first impressions are important, so why risk turning off potential readers when the first thing they see after finding us on Google is that we're too incompetent to have a complete Mario article? I don't buy the "using the template to stake out my editing territory" excuse either: if anything, the template will encourage other users to try and help overhaul the page, and either way, edit sniping is more when it's obvious you're in the middle of something and then someone jumps in and starts racing to do things for you, but frankly, if you need a template to ward people off, then it's not actually conspicuous you're doing something, and if someone picks up the job, that's your own fault for being slow to finish. Thems the breaks of community editing: get possessive of specific articles at your own risk. The "but what if a page needs to be overhauled" argument is also faulty: if that's the case, you should already be using {{tem|rewrite}} anyway (if even that: if a page does its job in the meantime, why even mark it at all: average readers won't care that it's pending a rewrite due to standards they don't know have changed) - another ugly template, granted, but the point is, shying away from using this specific template for major editing projects on long-established, well fleshed-out pages (which is all this proposal's trying to do) isn't as restrictive to wiki maintenance as opposers are making it out to be. | #{{User|Walkazo}} - Per proposal and myself as quoted in it. If the article's not conspicuously under construction (numerous missing/blank/one-liner sections, half-finished tables - things that even someone with no knowledge of the subject would pick up on as being in-progress), then the template itself will be the only thing ''making'' it look obviously bad: kinda shooting yourself in the foot there, so it seems reasonable to dissuade that kind of usage. It's especially bad on high-profile pages: first impressions are important, so why risk turning off potential readers when the first thing they see after finding us on Google is that we're too incompetent to have a complete Mario article? I don't buy the "using the template to stake out my editing territory" excuse either: if anything, the template will encourage other users to try and help overhaul the page, and either way, edit sniping is more when it's obvious you're in the middle of something and then someone jumps in and starts racing to do things for you, but frankly, if you need a template to ward people off, then it's not actually conspicuous you're doing something, and if someone picks up the job, that's your own fault for being slow to finish. Thems the breaks of community editing: get possessive of specific articles at your own risk. The "but what if a page needs to be overhauled" argument is also faulty: if that's the case, you should already be using {{tem|rewrite}} anyway (if even that: if a page does its job in the meantime, why even mark it at all: average readers won't care that it's pending a rewrite due to standards they don't know have changed) - another ugly template, granted, but the point is, shying away from using this specific template for major editing projects on long-established, well fleshed-out pages (which is all this proposal's trying to do) isn't as restrictive to wiki maintenance as opposers are making it out to be. | ||
