Editing Template talk:Cite

== Language and format ==
Can there be an option to show the language of the source? I forgot to mention in the proposal that it could be added as another parameter. Or a format parameter for digital publications so that, let's say for web manuals, a <small>(PDF)</small> is displayed next to the title to show the reader the format of the publication? [[User:Super Mario RPG|Super Mario RPG]] ([[User talk:Super Mario RPG|talk]]) 12:27, February 7, 2024 (EST)
:Added both. --{{User:Porplemontage/sig}} 18:52, February 7, 2024 (EST)

== Dead links ==
If the original link in a source is dead, I find it more accessible to format the citation like [[Donkey_Kong_Planet#cite_note-3|this]]. Basically, the original link is replaced with the archived one, so that the sole working link becomes more readily available. The original link is then moved to the archive's summary through an added "from the original" field; I don't really know if there is a formal, established reason for doing so, but I think it's a helpful feature to have in the (unlikely, but possible) event one reads a wiki article through, say, the Wayback Machine, as clicking the original link from there will lead the user to an archive of it directly. (The archive link itself can't be used with Wayback Machine, since it obviously does not archive its own archives.)<br>Could a <code>deadlink</code> parameter be added to the code so that, when given a value, the template is reorganized as I explained above? {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 20:22, February 7, 2024 (EST)
:Should be good to go. --{{User:Porplemontage/sig}} 00:22, February 8, 2024 (EST)

== automatically add http or https ==
Is it possible that this template could automatically add the http or https prefix when using the url parameter? [[User:Super Mario RPG|Super Mario RPG]] ([[User talk:Super Mario RPG|talk]]) 12:40, February 8, 2024 (EST)
:I made <code>https://</code> optional. If a site only works with the <tt>http</tt> prefix, then use the full URL. --{{User:Porplemontage/sig}} 14:22, February 8, 2024 (EST)

== Italicizing publishers, and absence of location for publishers ==

Having this template is great.

Currently, when displayed, it seems that the names of publishers are being italicized (which is incorrect), and there is no option to include the publisher's locations for citations (which is not required for some citation formats, but is for others and would be nice to have as an option for physical texts). Could these things be addressed? - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 17:17, February 10, 2024 (EST)
:If you take a look at [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/65#Decide_how_to_format_the_.7B.7Bcite.7D.7D_template_and_update_citation_guidelines_accordingly|the examples]], the publisher is italicized in the output even though the <code>publisher</code> parameter doesn't contain any italic syntax. So the functionality is consistent with the proposal. I'll add location. --{{User:Porplemontage/sig}} 17:40, February 10, 2024 (EST)
::Thank you so much! - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 17:48, February 10, 2024 (EST)

== Automatically grab archive date from archive.today URLs ==

Pages archived on archive.today can also be accessed using long links which include the date and hour at which the page was archived (example: http://archive.today/2024.02.11-143421/https://twitter.com/UniStudios/status/1753149462048800894). Is it possible to make the template automatically grab the date from these URLs similarly to how its done with Wayback Machine URLs? [[User:1468z|1468z]] ([[User talk:1468z|talk]]) 09:54, February 11, 2024 (EST)
:Sure thing. --{{User:Porplemontage/sig}} 12:15, February 11, 2024 (EST)

== ISO codes for language ==

This is less a request and more some spitballing, since I'm aware it would be a somewhat time-consuming undertaking: it would be more efficient if the template was coded so you could just type a language's {{wp|List of ISO 639 language codes|(2-digit) ISO code}} in the "language" field so it displays the entire name of that langauge. For instance, if you want to state that the source is in French, you'd simply type out<br><code>| language = fr </code><br>Of course, typing out the entire name should still be an option.<br>If one wants to also specify the country or region of the source alongside the language, the language's ISO code should be followed by a dash (<code>-</code>) and that country's {{wp|List of ISO 3166 country codes|(2-digit) ISO code}} (as it's {{wp|IETF language tag|standard}}), like:<br><code>| language = fr-ca</code><br>which displays "(French, Canada)".<br>As for which languages should be represented in the template, I guess [[List_of_LEGO_Super_Mario_set_names_in_other_languages#Goomba.E2.80.99s_Shoe_Expansion_Set|this list]] could be a start. Ukrainian could be added as well since some sources on the wiki are also in that language. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 12:55, February 15, 2024 (EST)
:I added support for language codes. It uses [https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/plugins/gitiles/mediawiki/extensions/cldr/+/refs/heads/master/CldrNames/CldrNamesEn.php this list], so you get "Canadian French" which I think makes sense since it's adding a descriptor to the language rather than adding a location to the language parameter. Regular text still works if needed. --{{User:Porplemontage/sig}} 14:12, February 15, 2024 (EST)
::Ayy thank you! {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 14:32, February 15, 2024 (EST)

== Video timestamps ==
Is there a way to incorporate the use of YouTube video timestamps, if necessary? Standardizing the use of those would also prove useful. [[User:Super Mario RPG|Super Mario RPG]] ([[User talk:Super Mario RPG|talk]]) 13:16, March 27, 2024 (EDT)

== Reflist ==
This template had me wondering if this wiki could possibly have a [[wikipedia:Template:Reflist|reflist]] to adjust the citation formatting if needed, since I've seen pages with over 100 references. [[User:Super Mario RPG|Super Mario RPG]] ([[User talk:Super Mario RPG|talk]]) 21:52, March 29, 2024 (EDT)
:I am a fan of the default tag formatting. --{{User:Porplemontage/sig}} 19:20, November 22, 2024 (EST)

== About the period following the publishing date ==

Currently, if the author= parameter is not filled in, dates are displayed as <code>(Month Day, Year).</code>; the positioning of the period in this string is a bit odd considering there is no clause outside the brackets that it can conclude. When no authors are specified, either the brackets should be removed around the date, or the period should be placed inside the brackets. Can u do this for us, Porple? {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 16:21, June 11, 2024 (EDT)

== Separate website from publisher ==

The template currently offers a "publisher" parameter reserved for either a material's actual publisher or the website it is found in. However, sometimes, the wiki cites a book (which entails mentioning its publisher) ''through'' a website or service, such as Google Books, meaning that both the publisher ''and'' the website ought to be mentioned shoulder to shoulder. [[Brass Plaque|This article shows an example.]] Could perhaps a distinct "website=" or "site=" parameter be added to better set off these two components in such cases? Of course, if only the website is cited, I think there wouldn't be a problem if the "publisher" parameter is still used at one's discretion. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 15:26, August 30, 2024 (EDT)
:Added. Thanks Porple!<br>{{@|Super Mario RPG}}, this new addition may interest or aid you. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 16:22, August 30, 2024 (EDT)

==Quotation marks for Japanese, Chinese, Korean==
Is there a way to make it so corner brackets (「 」) are used instead of typical quotation marks for Japanese, Chinese, and Korean quotes? Using quotation marks looks bad and is inaccurate to how those languages are written. I noticed this especially while adding citations for TTYD names in other languages (I need to get back to that…), but I only just realized that maybe the template could be edited to remedy this. [[User:Technetium|Technetium]] ([[User talk:Technetium|talk]]) 23:13, October 5, 2024 (EDT)
:I made this change. Pages will need to be updated to remove existing corner brackets and use the <code>translation</code> parameter ([https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=Baby_Face&diff=prev&oldid=4388807 example]). --{{User:Porplemontage/sig}} 01:32, October 6, 2024 (EDT)

Hold on, doesn't (South) Korean use the same quotation marks as English? I don't know, I'm just going by what {{wp|Quotation marks#Summary table|Wikipedia}} and [http://organickorean.com/punctuation-marks-in-korean-2/?ckattempt=1 organickorean.com] say. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 04:38, October 6, 2024 (EDT)
:Whoops, you're right. My bad! [[User:Technetium|Technetium]] ([[User talk:Technetium|talk]]) 09:07, October 6, 2024 (EDT)

== Add parameter that breaks off the URL from the title and removes its hyperlink ==
There are cases where the source used in an article is deemed unsafe for one reason or another. My browser initially blocks me from accessing the downloadable .3gp file cited [[GCN_Dino_Dino_Jungle#References|here]], for instance. For these cases, it might be better if this template had a parameter that removes the hyperlinks and exposes the URLs so that readers don't accidentally click or tap on the link. Of course, the ultimate remedy to this problem would be to find a less shady link for a source, but that may not always be possible. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 18:03, November 22, 2024 (EST)
:The URL needs to be surrounded by nowiki tags to prevent auto-linking, and since we can't do <code><nowiki><nowiki>{{{url}}}</nowiki></nowiki></code>, it's best to just do [https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=GCN_Dino_Dino_Jungle&diff=4441146&oldid=4441054 this]. --{{User:Porplemontage/sig}} 19:20, November 22, 2024 (EST)

== Quotation mark anomaly ==

It's great that the template adapts around punctuation entered in the <code>quote=</code> paramter to accommodate the orthography of various languages. However, I noticed the template doesn't locate Danish quotation marks. These are, according to [https://ro.dsn.dk/?type=rulesearch&side=58&paragraf=1 this site] <small>(ro.dsn.dk)</small> {{wp|Quotation mark#Summary table|cited by Wikipedia}}, essentially reverse guillemets (»...«). {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 17:50, December 20, 2024 (EST)

== Sites that require log-in ==

Can the template be updated with a parameter which specifies whether a cited website or web page requires log-in? There's a few instances on the wiki where this could be used, such as [[Donkey Kong, Donkey Kong Junior, Mario Bros.##cite note-1|this reference to a LinkedIn profile]], or the many references at the [[List of hashtags]] which link to Twitter's search page, currently accessible only to registered users. Maybe the template can automatically assign this specification to websites where registration is globally required, with users having the ability to manually input it for sites where only certain pages require registration (LinkedIn, Twitter). {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 09:23, March 15, 2025 (EDT)

== Website parameter, cont. ==

I dislike being fussy about this template and I should stress that I'm perfectly ok with much of its current configuration. However, I would like to request that the text entered in the "website" parameter be called somewhere else in the citation. Its purpose is to indicate where a cited link was fetched from, but its current positioning strongly suggests that the publishing entity used a given website to publish their work: for instance, if "publisher=" and "website=" are filled respectively with "Nintendo" and "Internet Archive", the template will display "''Nintendo'' via Internet Archive". Now, there are cases when such an interpretation is technically true, like if the publisher was Nintendo and the website was one of their own, but this is far from universal across the template's uses.

Would it be a good idea to move the "website" parameter somewhere around "accessdate", so that a citation calling both could read "Retrieved May 1, 2010 from website.com"? If no accessdate is entered, then perhaps the website parameter could produce the "Retrieved" statement on its own. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 20:07, March 25, 2025 (EDT)
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	I dislike being fussy about this template and I should stress that I'm perfectly ok with much of its current configuration. However, I would like to request that the text entered in the "website" parameter be called somewhere else in the citation. Its purpose is to indicate where a cited link was fetched from, but its current positioning strongly suggests that the publishing entity used a given website to publish their work: for instance, if "publisher=" and "website=" are filled respectively with "Nintendo" and "Internet Archive", the template will display "''Nintendo'' via Internet Archive". Now, there are cases when such an interpretation is technically true, like if the publisher was Nintendo and the website was one of their own, but this is far from universal across the template's uses.		I dislike being fussy about this template and I should stress that I'm perfectly ok with much of its current configuration. However, I would like to request that the text entered in the "website" parameter be called somewhere else in the citation. Its purpose is to indicate where a cited link was fetched from, but its current positioning strongly suggests that the publishing entity used a given website to publish their work: for instance, if "publisher=" and "website=" are filled respectively with "Nintendo" and "Internet Archive", the template will display "''Nintendo'' via Internet Archive". Now, there are cases when such an interpretation is technically true, like if the publisher was Nintendo and the website was one of their own, but this is far from universal across the template's uses.

	Would it be a good idea to move the "website" parameter somewhere around "accessdate", so that a citation calling both could read "Retrieved May 1, 2010 from website.com"? If no accessdate is entered, then ~~maybe~~ the website parameter could produce the "Retrieved" statement on its own~~. Perhaps make it independent from the "publisher" parameter as well~~. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 20:07~~, March 25, 2025 (EDT), edited 20:10~~, March 25, 2025 (EDT)		Would it be a good idea to move the "website" parameter somewhere around "accessdate", so that a citation calling both could read "Retrieved May 1, 2010 from website.com"? If no accessdate is entered, then perhaps the website parameter could produce the "Retrieved" statement on its own. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 20:07, March 25, 2025 (EDT)