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| Since this page contains a policy/guideline for template usage (esp. the image parameter), should the page at least be categorized as [[:Category:Writing guidelines]] or [[:Category:Policies]]? Just a thought. | | Since this page contains a policy/guideline for template usage (esp. the image parameter), should the page at least be categorized as [[:Category:Writing guidelines]] or [[:Category:MarioWiki policies]]? Just a thought. |
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| {{User:YoshiKong/sig}} 04:02, 21 December 2012 (EST) | | {{User:YoshiKong/sig}} 04:02, 21 December 2012 (EST) |
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| == Mario-related media == | | == Mario-related media == |
| Before I enact the changes from [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/54#Clean up latest appearances for crossover characters|my proposal]], I'd like to get some input on including "''Mario''-related media" in these cases. I think it should be removed when it's the only game in the latest appearance section, because while it's technically accurate, it seems like an unnecessary distinction. I'm also worried that it could confuse users who might think we're just ignoring their latest appearance outside of Mario media altogether. Thoughts? --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 12:51, November 16, 2019 (EST) | | Before I enact the changes from [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive 54#Clean up latest appearances for crossover characters|my proposal]], I'd like to get some input on including "''Mario''-related media" in these cases. I think it should be removed when it's the only game in the latest appearance section, because while it's technically accurate, it seems like an unnecessary distinction. I'm also worried that it could confuse users who might think we're just ignoring their latest appearance outside of Mario media altogether. Thoughts? --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 12:51, November 16, 2019 (EST) |
| :I think the "''Mario''-related media" identifier shouldn't be included if it's the only one in the section, because it would technically be redundant if it's the character's latest appearance overall. {{User:Obsessive Mario Fan/sig}} 15:11, December 4, 2019 (EST) | | :I think the "''Mario''-related media" identifier shouldn't be included if it's the only one in the section, because it would technically be redundant if it's the character's latest appearance overall. {{User:Obsessive Mario Fan/sig}} 15:11, December 4, 2019 (EST) |
| ::Yeah, if the game is just their latest appearance altogether, "Mario-related media" is unnecessary. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 15:13, December 4, 2019 (EST) | | ::Yeah, if the game is just their latest appearance altogether, "Mario-related media" is unnecessary. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 15:13, December 4, 2019 (EST) |
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| Sorry if this is too bold a suggestion, but I was thinking it might make sense to add the "variant of" and "variants" parameters to the character infobox? These are some examples where I think that might prove helpful. Hypothetically, at least. | | Sorry if this is too bold a suggestion, but I was thinking it might make sense to add the "variant of" and "variants" parameters to the character infobox? These are some examples where I think that might prove helpful. Hypothetically, at least. |
| * Dry Bowser as variant of Bowser | | * Dry Bowser as variant of Bowser |
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| == Add gender parameter == | | == Add gender parameter == |
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| {{Settled TPP}} | | {{TPP}} |
| {{Proposal outcome|failed|1-15|Do not add}}
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| This proposal aims to add a gender parameter to the character infobox. As stated in an above section, several other NIWA wikis have a gender parameter in their infobox, and I also wondered why this wiki doesn't do the same. I don't know if there's much of a case to make for adding a gender parameter, because several characters have a gender (just like how characters are each a different species), so it would make sense to add that characteristic into an infobox. | | This proposal aims to add a gender parameter to the character infobox. As stated in an above section, several other NIWA wikis have a gender parameter in their infobox, and I also wondered why this wiki doesn't do the same. I don't know if there's much of a case to make for adding a gender parameter, because several characters have a gender (just like how characters are each a different species), so it would make sense to add that characteristic into an infobox. |
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| #{{User|Swallow}} Pretty sure this should be obvious for any character without needing to state it. We also don't need to do everything that other NIWA wikis do. | | #{{User|Swallow}} Pretty sure this should be obvious for any character without needing to state it. |
| #{{User|SolemnStormcloud}} Per Swallow.
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| #{{User|PnnyCrygr}} The character's gender is already stated in the intro paragraph of their article as a pronoun. No need for a parameter then!
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| #{{user|Doc von Schmeltwick}} - Irrelevant padding, might as well do one for eye color. Per all.
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| #{{User|Mushroom Head}} Per all.
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| #{{User|Mario}} Such information should be easily gleaned from the opening paragraph.
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| #{{User|YoYo}} it's something that is automatically worded into each article, there's no need at all to add it to the infobox.
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| #{{User|Camwoodstock}} Not only is this stated in the article's opening by default, but we fear like at ''best'' this is just kind of unnecessary; at worst, however, it's just stapling a prime target for vandalism to articles. Especially in the case of [[Birdo|canonically-transgender]] [[Vivian|characters]]; we feel like adding this is a hot ticket to getting those articles even more protected than they already are.
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| #{{User|Blinker}} Per all.
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| #{{User|LinkTheLefty}} Considering my very first edit was on Birdo back in 2007 (whoa), if you asked me then, I'd probably say, "yeah, and let's get more gender categories too, etc." (maybe I would've been on board with pronoun citation if it was a widespread idea back then.) But wanting to do something and actually seeing it in practice are different things. Views change <small>- one of my first edits was also a treatise on canon policy, and after seeing where that line of thought can lead to, I have a ''very'' different viewpoint on it now -</small> my current view on this one is that these aren't -really- vital characteristics that need addressing in parameters and references. I see others put it in practice, I think it can tend to look cumbersome, and like Camwoodstock says, it invites bad-faith ridicule. Plus, this doesn't account for inconsistencies with subjects like Cloud N. Candy and Bonetail. For that Bleak example? Masculine pronouns are present in supplemental material like the Player's Guide, and as far as I know, there's no contradicting material, so that's that. If there's confusion, simply clarify on the talk page or an edit summary. What I can agree to as a general default is using "it" for gender-ambiguous creatures and "they" for gender-ambiguous characters, but we can probably use our heads if a character doesn't have explicit pronouns but they're generally modeled after depictions of other male or female characters of the species.
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| #{{User|Sdman213}} Per all.
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| #{{User|Mister Wu}} Especially considering [https://iwataasks.nintendo.com/interviews/3ds/zelda-ocarina-of-time/4/2/ Miyamoto’s stance on the matter], this information is more likely to cause disagreement and conflicting edits, since quite a few times there’s not even a definite answer to what is supposed to be the gender of a character, at least in the original Japanese material. I’d say it’s better to rely on gendered pronouns or to explain the matter more in detail, when needed.
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| #{{User|ThePowerPlayer}} Per all.
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| #{{User|FanOfRosalina2007}} Per all.
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| #{{User|EvieMaybe}} gender was invented by big gender to sell more bathroom door signs. per all
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| ===Comments=== | | ===Comments=== |
| Swallow, wanted to say that a character's gender is not always obvious at a glance. I've cited Birdo as an example, as looking at Birdo and Vivian does not immediately tell the reader about the gender controversy surrounding those two characters. [[User:Super Game Gear|Super Game Gear]] ([[User talk:Super Game Gear|talk]]) 17:06, January 5, 2024 (EST)
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| :The opening paragraphs of both articles do mention that they are transgender and have another section going into more detail about it. I think that's good enough. {{User:Swallow/sig}} 17:09, January 5, 2024 (EST)
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| ::Looking at Birdo and Vivian tells you they're probably female, which they are, regardless of whether they're transgender or not. I don't see how a gender field would help there. [[User:Blinker|Blinker]] ([[User talk:Blinker|talk]]) 17:57, January 5, 2024 (EST)
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| I am here to talk about the caption placed below the images. We have "Artwork from ''Mario vs. Donkey Kong'' for the Nintendo Switch" for the page of [[Mario]] However, other character infoboxes such as [[Captain Syrup]] have "''Wario Land: Shake It!'' artwork for Captain Syrup", which is redundant, because the character's name is already above the image. The standard caption for such images is "Artwork/Screenshot from (Game)." I'm wondering about the addition of a caption parameter, which can have:
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| Which could generate "(Artwork/Screenshot) from (Game). I'm sorry that I cannot code a sample, and this is simply not a proposal, either.
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| |imagesource=''[[Wario Land: Shake It!]]''
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| |first_appearance=''[[Wario Land: Super Mario Land 3]]'' ([[List of games by date#1994|1994]])
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| |latest_appearance=''[[Super Smash Bros. Ultimate]]'' ([[Spirit (Super Smash Bros. Ultimate)|spirit]] cameo) ([[List of games by date#2018|2018]])
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| |latest_portrayal=[[Hitomi Hirose]] ([[List of games by date#2008|2008]])
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| This could create something like "Artwork from ''[[Wario Land: Shake It!]]''".
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| {{User:PnnyCrygr/sig}} 22:39, March 2, 2024 (EST)
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| Is this a good idea? It makes sense why English ''third''-person pronouns aren't in the infobox (that information is more naturally conveyed in the article itself, which is written in English about the subject in the third person), but in Japanese media a lot about a character's identity and self-expression is conveyed through what ''first''-person pronouns they use to refer to themself. This would be useful information to document somewhere, and I think the infobox is the ideal place for that information to go. {{User:JanMisali/sig}} 11:07, June 8, 2024 (EDT)
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| :This is getting nitty-gritty, and there's cases like Kamek where even this is inconsistent. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 11:20, June 8, 2024 (EDT)
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| :I think it should definitely be mentioned somewhere, but I'm not sure about it being in the infobox. [[User:DesaMatt|DesaMatt]] ([[User talk:DesaMatt|talk]]) 21:13, June 10, 2024 (EDT)
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| == "Ongoing serialized comics are not included here" ==
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| What's the reason behind this? I've added this a few times, mainly for one-off characters, and I don't know why it should be the sole exception. Super Mario-kun is the only one left and that's been reduced to one volume per year for a while now, so it's not like they're coming out super often. The only reason I can think of is that it's hard for our userbase to get a hold of them, but if we know about an appearance, then we should add it. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 22:20, July 9, 2024 (EDT)
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| :Yeah I agree, that doesn't make any sense. Sure, maybe for the major characters like Mario who are always in it, but most one-off characters are just there for their arc and then don't come back. [[User:Technetium|Technetium]] ([[User talk:Technetium|talk]]) 14:07, September 5, 2024 (EDT)
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| :Yeah, I don't see why we shouldn't include them. I think it might have been implemented because it would've needed to be updated for every volume, but there are updates for games that come out more often now (and we usually just add the first update where they make an appearance anyway, not for every new update/volume if they've already appeared in the game/publication). {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 20:33, November 8, 2024 (EST)
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| Somewhere in this talk page there’s a part that says that “we don’t have to do what the other NIWA wikis do”, but this time we should do it. There should be a parameter with the characters’ relatives (like in Starfy Wiki and Lylat Wiki). [[User:Weegie baby|Weegie baby]] ([[User talk:Weegie baby|talk]]) 16:46, November 8, 2024 (EST)
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