Editing Talk:Yoshi (franchise)

== I don't know what to call this section ==

I think we should make this article more like the Mario Series article. All I mean is that we should have the big template with bits for different games, items and characters.  Tell me if you agree. (The same should go for the DK and Wario series.) {{User|Commander Code-8}} 05:30 6 May 2010

==This is not what I see as a series==

The first 3 games are very invalid to the Yoshi Series. They are more like Yoshi seen at a Mario perspective and not at a Yoshi perspective. It's  like if it has Yoshi in it's name it's automatically a Yoshi game. Plus [[Tetris Attack]] should also be here. --[[User:ChillGuy]]
Yes, I think that the game shall be divided in puzzles (the first four) and platformers (all the other) (along with tech demos that are unchanged) [[User talk:Tsunami|<span style="color:#0f0">World</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Tsunami|<span style="color:#c3f">of</span>]] [[User:Tsunami|<span style="color:#0cf">Tsunami!</span>]]

== The Yoshi series don't take place in the Mushroom Kingdom ==
I don't know if the change was made to implied this, but Takashi Tezuka say in a interview that the Yoshi series and the Yoshi's Woolly World game don't take place in the Mushroom Kingdom. That could change something here.

https://gamingreinvented.com/news/nintendo-yoshi-series-doesnt-take-place-mushroom-kingdom/

http://www.gamergen.com/actualites/nintendo-royaume-champignon-univers-yoshi-separation-interview-268307-1
--{{User:LudwigVon/sig}}  15:47, 25 November 2015 (EST)

:It just means that Yoshi's Islands (and Egg Island, I guess) isn't part of the Mushroom Kingdom, which isn't actually surprising at all. Nothing that I can recall ever said it was part of the kingdom, so it was just speculation all this time, and it's a good thing that we finally have official information about it - so that we can fix the fanon that slipped in. - {{User:Walkazo/sig}} 21:12, 26 November 2015 (EST)

==Clarification==
While separating between Yoshi's Island (series) and Yoshi puzzles. I noticed that [[Yoshi Topsy-Turvy]], [[Yoshi Touch & Go]], and [[Balloon Trip]] are the only ones I have doubts on. Can anyone (Reboot preferably) tell me which place they should be in. {{User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager/sig}} 18:11, 18 October 2016 (EDT)

== Delete redirect ==
Will you please delete this redirect? {{User:Woodchuck/sig}}

I mean, will you please delete the redirect called "Yoshi (series)"? {{User:Woodchuck/sig}}

:I'm not an admin, but I think the redirect should stay because some may call it a series and that was teh article's title for a time. On a more technical note, several pages link to the redirect and we'd get a ton of red links if it was deleted. However, you can work on changing those links if you want, using the What Links Here tool.
:{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 21:34, 1 September 2017 (EDT)
::Actually, calling the page "Yoshi puzzles" seems kind of unprofessional to me. The "Yoshi (franchise)" and "Yoshi (series)" pages should stay, but I'd be for moving this to something like "Yoshi (puzzle series)". {{User:Alex95/sig}} 21:39, 1 September 2017 (EDT)
:::Per Ultimate Mr. L and Alex. "Yoshi (series)" would more commonly be used to refer to the franchise as a whole than the puzzle series. (There wouldn't be red links, but rather links that point to the wrong page.) {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 21:47, 1 September 2017 (EDT)
::::Unless someone opposes the move to Yoshi (puzzle series), this would not even need a proposal (as it was established by a proposal). But, more users must say something before doing this. I am on board with moving this to Yoshi (puzzle series). {{User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager/sig}} 23:47, 1 September 2017 (EDT) Edit: Oh, the proposal was asking for a better name for Yoshi puzzles, so if no opposition, a proposal is not needed. {{User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager/sig}} 23:50, 1 September 2017 (EDT)

=="Adventures of Yoshi" source?==
What is the source for the name "Adventures of Yoshi" used for the non-Yoshi's Island platformers? I've never heard of this name before, so I want to know if this is an official name. If not, I'm going to remove it. --{{User:Luigi 64DD/sig}} 22:57, 18 November 2017 (EST)
:There's a video on the Yoshi platform games on Nintendo UK's official site, but it ultimately didn't give an actual name for the series, rather talking about Yoshi's adventures. This was fixed elsewhere but not yet here.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 06:24, 19 November 2017 (EST)

== Decide which series certain ''Yoshi'' games are related to ==
{{TPP}}
Let me tell you what. The the ''Yoshi'' franchise began with a series of puzzle games, known as the "''Yoshi'' series", which consists of ''Yoshi'', ''Yoshi's Cookie'', and an expansion game based on ''Yoshi's Cookie'', with ''Yoshi's Safari'' and ''Tetris Attack'' being being related games in the series. Likewise, the''Yoshi'' franchise games ''Yoshi's Story'', ''Yoshi's Woolly World'', ''Poochy & Yoshi's Woolly World'', and ''Yoshi's Crafted World'' are all platformers which play similarly to ''Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island'', while ''Yoshi Topsy-Turvy'' is a platformer that features a similar story to ''Yoshi's Story''. Perhaps there's a possibility to choose the one of the following three options:

*'''Option #1''': Merge miscellaneous ''Yoshi'' platformers into the ''Yoshi's Island'' series article via the addition of the "Other related games" section and split ''Yoshi'' puzzles and ''Yoshi's Safari'' into "''Yoshi'' (series)" even if the ''Yoshi'' series' name is confusing
*'''Option #2''': Only merge ''Yoshi'' platformers into the ''Yoshi's Island'' series article via the addition of the "Other related games" section
*'''Option #3''': Do nothing

'''Proposer''': {{User|GuntherBB}} (blocked)<br>
'''Deadline''': December 14, 2023, 23:59 GMT

===Merge platformers and split puzzles and ''Yoshi's Safari''===
<s>#{{User|GuntherBB}} Per proposal.</s>

===Merge only platformers===
#{{User|Hewer}} [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/61#Merge "Yoshi (platform series)" and "Yoshi (puzzle series)" into "Yoshi (franchise)"|Per me ten months ago]], and the platformers are pretty clearly based on the Yoshi's Island games.
#{{User|Arend}} A while ago, I had been thinking that the Yoshi platformers should've been considered as part of (or at least adjacent to) the ''Yoshi's Island'' series, because it's clear to me that nearly all of them are based on the original 1995 game and its two sequels; a stark contrast to the puzzle games (and the one on-rail shooter) that are all based on the core ''Super Mario'' games instead... except for ''Tetris Attack'', that is (which I believe we should count as a ''Yoshi's Island'' spinoff, too).
#{{User|DrippingYellow}} Per all.
#{{User|PaperMarioGolf}} Per all.

===Do nothing===

===Comments===
I think there needs to be an alteration to option 1, which I'd only supports if this means redefining the ''Yoshi'' puzzle games (except ''Tetris Attack'') and ''Yoshi's Safari'' as ''Super Mario'' games. Mario is still the playable protagonist of ''Yoshi'', and he wields the Super Scope in ''Yoshi's Safari'', the core part of gameplay. Despite Yoshi's name in the game titles, just because he's used as a mascot doesn't necessitate the inclusion into his franchise. And it wasn't until "Yoshi's Island" when the Yoshis really began to star in their own game. Even then, however, "''Super Mario''" is in both the English and Japanese titles, and it's a sidescrolling platformer, so it could potentially be a ''Super Mario'' game altogether, but I digress. I checked the use of the "yoshi.nintendo.com" domain through Wayback Machine, and it was only really used for the ''Yoshi'' platforming games, like ''Topsy-Turvy'', ''Yoshi's New Island'', or ''Yoshi's Crafted World'' alike. Anyway, considering the aforementioned puzzle games and ''Yoshi's Safari'' as ''Super Mario'' games seems like a good starting point before getting to the [[Talk:Super_Mario_(series)#Is_Super_Mario_World_2:_Yoshi.27s_Island_also_a_Super_Mario_series_game.3F|separate discussion]] as to whether ''Yoshi's Island'' is basically a game of the ''Super Mario'' series starring Yoshis. [[User:Super Game Gear|Super Game Gear]] ([[User talk:Super Game Gear|talk]]) 13:38, December 1, 2023 (EST)
:They're still named after and heavily feature Yoshi though. How about having them as entries in both franchises like [[Donkey Kong (game)|Donkey Kong]]? {{User:Hewer/sig}} 16:12, December 1, 2023 (EST)

To expand upon my vote, here's what I believe should move to the ''Yoshi's Island'' series as spinoffs or adjacent titles, and what should stay on the ''Yoshi'' franchise page as miscellaneous titles:
*The platformer titles (''Yoshi's Story'', ''Yoshi Topsy-Turvy'', ''Yoshi's Woolly World'', ''Poochy & Yoshi's Woolly World'', ''Yoshi's Crafted World'', and the ''Yoshi Demo''), as well as ''Tetris Attack'', should be considered as part of, or adjacent to, the ''Yoshi's Island games:
**Nearly all the platformer titles feature very similar gameplay to the original ''Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island'' game, as well as its sequels.
**''Yoshi Topsy-Turvy'' and the ''Yoshi Demo'' share similarities with ''Yoshi's Story'' in terms with story and/or gameplay and aesthetics. If ''Yoshi's Story'' should be moved, these titles have to move as well
**Every single one of these titles shares many of its characters, items, enemies, and even the main location with that of ''Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island'' and its sequels. There are some titles that may feature new characters and enemies (''Yoshi's Story'' and ''Yoshi Topsy-Turvy''), and some have its setting to be something else (''Yoshi's Woolly World'' and ''Yoshi's Crafted World''), but that does not mean they don't share other similarities (''Yoshi's Story'' and ''Yoshi Topsy-Turvy'' still take place on Yoshi's Island, and ''Yoshi's Woolly World'' and ''Yoshi's Crafted World'' still feature many of the same enemies already encountered in ''Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island''). ''Tetris Attack'' in particular is practically a ''Yoshi's Island'' reskin of ''Panel de Pon''/''Puzzle League'', featuring the same characters and locations.
*The remaining titles (''Yoshi'', ''Yoshi's Cookie'', ''Yoshi's Safari'', ''Yoshi no Cookie: Kuruppon Oven de Cookie'' the Purple Yoshi tech demo) should either stay here as miscellaneous titles, or as Super Game Gear pointed out, be redefined as ''Super Mario'' spinoff titles that happen to have "Yoshi" in the name instead (the latter could be an entire discussion of its own, though).
**All of these don't feature any of the characters, enemies and locations introduced in ''Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island'' (mostly because they were all made ''prior'' to this title's release), and instead are based on the core ''Super Mario'' titles at the time.
**All of these star Mario alongside Yoshi, and the player generally plays as him instead of Yoshi.
*As for the Purple Yoshi tech demo, there is too little information to determine whether it should be considered as part of the ''Yoshi's Island'' series or not; all we know is that the one screenshot we got doesn't include any features familiar to the ''Yoshi's Island'' series nor the ''Super Mario'' franchise, aside from the rather odd-looking Purple Yoshi.
{{User:Arend/sig}} 13:51, December 1, 2023 (EST)
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 == Decide which series certain ''Yoshi'' games are related to ==
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 Let me tell you what. The the ''Yoshi'' franchise began with a series of puzzle games, known as the "''Yoshi'' series", which consists of ''Yoshi'', ''Yoshi's Cookie'', and an expansion game based on ''Yoshi's Cookie'', with ''Yoshi's Safari'' and ''Tetris Attack'' being being related games in the series. Likewise, the''Yoshi'' franchise games ''Yoshi's Story'', ''Yoshi's Woolly World'', ''Poochy & Yoshi's Woolly World'', and ''Yoshi's Crafted World'' are all platformers which play similarly to ''Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island'', while ''Yoshi Topsy-Turvy'' is a platformer that features a similar story to ''Yoshi's Story''. Perhaps there's a possibility to choose the one of the following three options: