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::All I have to say is....if it's the same Yoshi, why does it hatch multiple times? Bowser trapped him in the egg ''once''. I'm not buying it. Also, I think I've gotten two green Yoshis in single player of NSMBW through some glitch. It seems to be more of a case a la "The Big Boo": different individuals, or even a species, are referred to in a singular sense, such as how the ''Super Mario Sunshine'' manual says "Yoshi's back, so saddle up!"{{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} 00:34, 2 August 2017 (CT)
::All I have to say is....if it's the same Yoshi, why does it hatch multiple times? Bowser trapped him in the egg ''once''. I'm not buying it. Also, I think I've gotten two green Yoshis in single player of NSMBW through some glitch. It seems to be more of a case a la "The Big Boo": different individuals, or even a species, are referred to in a singular sense, such as how the ''Super Mario Sunshine'' manual says "Yoshi's back, so saddle up!"{{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} 00:34, 2 August 2017 (CT)
:::I never liked the "possible appearances" section on Toad's page. All of it is too speculative, relying too much on maybes without offering anything definitive in return. If we don't know if if a given Toad is ''the'' Toad, I'd rather that we cover it on the [[Toad (species)]] article and refrain from potentially misleading readers  or any unnecessary speculation. This also applies to this article, with any uncertain appearances being listed on [[Green Yoshi]]. If the information is still accessible, but in a different place that doesn't require us to say "possibly" in every sentence, then I don't see the problem. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 01:42, 2 August 2017 (EDT)
:::I never liked the "possible appearances" section on Toad's page. All of it is too speculative, relying too much on maybes without offering anything definitive in return. If we don't know if if a given Toad is ''the'' Toad, I'd rather that we cover it on the [[Toad (species)]] article and refrain from potentially misleading readers  or any unnecessary speculation. This also applies to this article, with any uncertain appearances being listed on [[Green Yoshi]]. If the information is still accessible, but in a different place that doesn't require us to say "possibly" in every sentence, then I don't see the problem. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 01:42, 2 August 2017 (EDT)
::::There was a proposal for possible appearances [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/39#Separating_confirmed_and_possible_generic-looking_character_appearances|here]]. The idea evolved from an earlier discussion I brought forth, which is also linked in that proposal for reference. It's an improvement over Toad's old confusion with appearances section, but it could probably be much better condensed for something marked with uncertainty. An outright removal may be unwise for the reasons mentioned back then, so definitely check it out if you need to see where it's coming from. Either way - looking back, the proposal should have actually covered all similar character/species articles, but it seems that just didn't happen for some reason I can only guess. If we're going to start somewhere, I suppose now would be a good time to start with Yoshi. Better late than never. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 03:07, 2 August 2017 (EDT)
::::There was a proposal for possible appearances [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive_39#Separating_confirmed_and_possible_generic-looking_character_appearances|here]]. The idea evolved from an earlier discussion I brought forth, which is also linked in that proposal for reference. It's an improvement over Toad's old confusion with appearances section, but it could probably be much better condensed for something marked with uncertainty. An outright removal may be unwise for the reasons mentioned back then, so definitely check it out if you need to see where it's coming from. Either way - looking back, the proposal should have actually covered all similar character/species articles, but it seems that just didn't happen for some reason I can only guess. If we're going to start somewhere, I suppose now would be a good time to start with Yoshi. Better late than never. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 03:07, 2 August 2017 (EDT)
:::::I understand that, but at the same time, I still think that some of the sections are unnecessary. A few of them could be outright moved to the official history section, like Super Mario 64 and Superstar Saga (they even have citations!), but then there's stuff like the Super Mario Bros. section, which states that "it is often assumed" without offering any logical or reasonable explanation, or the inclusion of [[Captain Toad]], when [[Talk:Captain Toad#confirmed: Captain Toad is not toad|it's already been confirmed]] that Captain Toad and regular Toad are separate characters. It could do with some clean-up, at the very least. In any case, if we're pushing forward with adding the section to other articles, how many would actually be affected? Besides Toad, there's obviously Yoshi, and maybe [[Birdo]], but I can't think of any other examples. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 11:12, 2 August 2017 (EDT)
:::::I understand that, but at the same time, I still think that some of the sections are unnecessary. A few of them could be outright moved to the official history section, like Super Mario 64 and Superstar Saga (they even have citations!), but then there's stuff like the Super Mario Bros. section, which states that "it is often assumed" without offering any logical or reasonable explanation, or the inclusion of [[Captain Toad]], when [[Talk:Captain Toad#confirmed: Captain Toad is not toad|it's already been confirmed]] that Captain Toad and regular Toad are separate characters. It could do with some clean-up, at the very least. In any case, if we're pushing forward with adding the section to other articles, how many would actually be affected? Besides Toad, there's obviously Yoshi, and maybe [[Birdo]], but I can't think of any other examples. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 11:12, 2 August 2017 (EDT)
::::::''Super Mario 64'' and ''Superstar Saga'' (and to a lesser extent, ''Super Mario Bros. 3'') have citations, so at face value they seemingly don't belong in the section, but at the same time, they're openly conflicting – they just don't agree with each other on which Toad is considered  ''the'' Toad (if such a concept is even still relevant in the [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0G59LgSoGQQ#t=100m38s "current story"], but I digress). They're there because the internal inconsistencies among sources make those appearances inconclusive, and thus more likely as the result of writer's whim or localization oversight than any deliberate reason. The wordy rationale can definitely be trimmed, though, as well as mentions of Captain Toad since that's already been decided and is somewhat padding. I think ''Super Mario Bros.'' is included because certain official profiles count it as Toad's first appearance (albeit not defining the distinction between the character and species). As for other articles, [[Kamek]] technically qualifies, and I can think of [[Boom Boom|one more]]. There are several others such as Mouser, Fryguy, Luma, Polterpup and all the ''Mario Party Advance'' characters, but those articles are also a lot shorter and have a clearer grasp of the subject. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 17:15, 2 August 2017 (EDT)
::::::''Super Mario 64'' and ''Superstar Saga'' (and to a lesser extent, ''Super Mario Bros. 3'') have citations, so at face value they seemingly don't belong in the section, but at the same time, they're openly conflicting – they just don't agree with each other on which Toad is considered  ''the'' Toad (if such a concept is even still relevant in the [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0G59LgSoGQQ#t=100m38s "current story"], but I digress). They're there because the internal inconsistencies among sources make those appearances inconclusive, and thus more likely as the result of writer's whim or localization oversight than any deliberate reason. The wordy rationale can definitely be trimmed, though, as well as mentions of Captain Toad since that's already been decided and is somewhat padding. I think ''Super Mario Bros.'' is included because certain official profiles count it as Toad's first appearance (albeit not defining the distinction between the character and species). As for other articles, [[Kamek]] technically qualifies, and I can think of [[Boom Boom|one more]]. There are several others such as Mouser, Fryguy, Luma, Polterpup and all the ''Mario Party Advance'' characters, but those articles are also a lot shorter and have a clearer grasp of the subject. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 17:15, 2 August 2017 (EDT)
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:<s>What are you referring to by "World Coin-5"? Like the arcade game, or an actual world in NSMBW that I don't know about? Because I don't think "World Coin" is a world in that game, maybe you're referring to World 9? I'm a bit confused on that part.</s> I will be adding {{world link|coin|5|World Coin-5 (New Super Mario Bros. Wii)}} in the list of levels Yoshi and his [[Yoshi (species)|specie]]s have appeared in, and the part about Yoshi's mechanics seem interesting and maybe worth putting into the article, so maybe I'll add them later. {{User: Shadic 34/sig}} 09:00, March 23, 2023 (EDT)
:<s>What are you referring to by "World Coin-5"? Like the arcade game, or an actual world in NSMBW that I don't know about? Because I don't think "World Coin" is a world in that game, maybe you're referring to World 9? I'm a bit confused on that part.</s> I will be adding {{world-link|coin|5|World Coin-5 (New Super Mario Bros. Wii)}} in the list of levels Yoshi and his [[Yoshi (species)|specie]]s have appeared in, and the part about Yoshi's mechanics seem interesting and maybe worth putting into the article, so maybe I'll add them later. {{User: Shadic 34/sig}} 09:00, March 23, 2023 (EDT)


== Yoshi's quotes ==
== Yoshi's quotes ==
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== Koopa Shell ==
== Koopa Shell ==
I think Yoshi's infobox image needs to be changed due to having a [[Koopa Shell]] as one of the main focuses. I know this page highly watched and there may be a reason I just felt like I should point it out. {{User:Waddle Dingus/sig}}
I think Yoshi's infobox image needs to be changed due to having a [[Koopa Shell]] as one of the main focuses. I know this page highly watched and there may be a reason I just felt like I should point it out. {{User:Waddle Dingus/sig}}
==Yoshisaurus...NOT==
From TV Tropes Fandom Enraging Misconception for Super Mario Bros: "Do ''not'' say with a straight face that Yoshi's full name is T. Yoshisaur Munchakoopas, nor that Mario's species is Homo nintendonus. Not only does that come from a source that is not meant to be taken seriously, it was made up by someone unaffiliated with either Nintendo of Japan or the localisation department." [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 19:50, December 25, 2024 (EST)
:The fanboy nerd who typed that out at TVTropes is not an authority (edit: their claim that "it was made up by someone unaffiliated with either Nintendo of Japan or the localisation department" [https://archive.org/details/nintendo-character-manual-1993/mode/2up lies somewhere between cherry-picking and complete horseshit]), and I'd advise you against removing information out of sheer impulse. If the name comes from a licensed source, mentioning it somewhere in the article is fair. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 20:00, December 25, 2024 (EST), edited 20:06, December 25, 2024 (EST)
: Okay, we are also a fan-made wiki who is not an authority. [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 20:08, December 25, 2024 (EST)
::What exactly are you trying to get at? It's a fan-made wiki [[MarioWiki:Citations#Why sourcing? What needs it?|whose express objective is to curate information so it's as accurate to the source material and as speculation-free as possible]]. While [[MarioWiki:General disclaimer#The wiki makes no guarantee of validity|its nature as a fan-run community can never guarantee 100% factuality]], that's absolutely no reason to just give up its mission and cave to TVTropes of all places. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 20:15, December 25, 2024 (EST), edited 20:19, December 25, 2024 (EST)
If we really really have to be precise, the booklet that introduced Yoshi’s “full name” was an internal memo that wasn’t supposed to be published. Nintendo Co., Ltd. never used ''Homo Nintendosus'' and ''T. Yoshisaur Munchakoopas'' - not even in internal data - and if we want to be pedantic, not even Nintendo of America used these terms in official material that was meant to be released to the public or the press. With that being said, that memo still was a booklet for internal use (and presumably for third parties?) by Nintendo of America, so it’s material potentially worth of coverage by the wiki, and if anything now that its content was revealed mentioning it in the trivia is more than due.—[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 23:19, December 25, 2024 (EST)

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