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Ok, does anyone know what Yoshi TRUELY has on his back.  Is it a shell or a saddle.  I know that in the first appearance of yoshi, the "thing(saddle or shell)" was shown with stirrups attached to it.  But now in later games, the "thing" is actualy shown increible round, and no saddle is round.  That defeats he purpose.  HELP!! [[User:Mariomadness8|Mariomadness8]]
Ok, does anyone know what Yoshi TRUELY has on his back.  Is it a shell or a saddle.  I know that in the first appearance of yoshi, the "thing(saddle or shell)" was shown with stirrups attached to it.  But now in later games, the "thing" is actualy shown increible round, and no saddle is round.  That defeats he purpose.  HELP!! [[User:Mariomadness8|Mariomadness8]]


:I don't think it's ever been confirmed if it's a saddle or shell. Seeing as it can't be taken off (or so it seems), I would say more like a shell. A shell that stays on a Yoshi for the rest of their lives. BUT we really don't know. <span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''aper '''Jorge'''</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Paper Jorge|Talk]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Paper Jorge|Contributions]])<tt>&middot;</tt></small>
:I don't think it's ever been confirmed if it's a saddle or shell. Seeing as it can't be taken off (or so it seems), I would say more like a shell. A shell that stays on a Yoshi for the rest of their lives. BUT we really don't know. http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif<span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''aper '''Jorge'''</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Paper Jorge|Talk]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Paper Jorge|Contributions]])<tt>&middot;</tt></small>http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif
::A shell would be something hard for Mario to sit on though. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 20:20, 8 March 2008 (EST)
::A shell would be something hard for Mario to sit on though. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 20:20, 8 March 2008 (EST)
:::I remember it officially being called a saddle, never a shell.  Shouldn't tell you which game, though. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 20:31, 8 March 2008 (EST)
:::I remember it officially being called a saddle, never a shell.  Shouldn't tell you which game, though. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 20:31, 8 March 2008 (EST)


::::Stumpers it sounds like you don't want to tell us. <span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''aper '''Jorge'''</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Paper Jorge|Talk]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Paper Jorge|Contributions]])<tt>&middot;</tt></small>
::::Stumpers it sounds like you don't want to tell us. http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif<span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''aper '''Jorge'''</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Paper Jorge|Talk]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Paper Jorge|Contributions]])<tt>&middot;</tt></small>http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif
:::::The official German Club Nintendo mag (issue 4/1992) also calls it a saddle: <blockquote>He's wearing jump boots and he has a saddle on his back. He's green and very hungry. He's a dinosaur and Mario's best friend. He's good, because he's YOSHI!!!</blockquote> (translated from German.) {{User:Time Q/sig}} 09:38, 17 March 2008 (EDT)
:::::The official German Club Nintendo mag (issue 4/1992) also calls it a saddle: <blockquote>He's wearing jump boots and he has a saddle on his back. He's green and very hungry. He's a dinosaur and Mario's best friend. He's good, because he's YOSHI!!!</blockquote> (translated from German.) {{User:Time Q/sig}} 09:38, 17 March 2008 (EDT)


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== no category? ==
== no category? ==


why does it appears as a no category page in the wikimaintenance? --Tucayo 18:08, 12 June 2008 (EDT)
why does it appears as a no category page in the wikimaintenance? --http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/1526/tucayosz9.png 18:08, 12 June 2008 (EDT)
:I honestly have no idea... {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 09:14, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
:I honestly have no idea... {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 09:14, 29 July 2008 (EDT)


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This information is highly false, and I (like anyone) can prove it. I've got a specific screenshot from [[Super Mario World]] in which Mario signals Yoshi to stick its tongue out while the player presses the ↑ (Up) button (so Yoshi will stick its tongue higher than the usual): http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_HuVp506Cl2w/S9swSdT1z4I/AAAAAAAAF-Q/tX76gLCikY8/s400/SMW_MarioPunch.PNG That screenshot can be seen by anyone who pays some extra attention to the game's frame rate. Slowing down the game's emulation speed may be the key to unmask such a terrible myth.
This information is highly false, and I (like anyone) can prove it. I've got a specific screenshot from [[Super Mario World]] in which Mario signals Yoshi to stick its tongue out while the player presses the ↑ (Up) button (so Yoshi will stick its tongue higher than the usual): http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_HuVp506Cl2w/S9swSdT1z4I/AAAAAAAAF-Q/tX76gLCikY8/s400/SMW_MarioPunch.PNG That screenshot can be seen by anyone who pays some extra attention to the game's frame rate. Slowing down the game's emulation speed may be the key to unmask such a terrible myth.


I propose that information, being proven wrong, to be removed from the "Trivia" section. {{User|Jardim}}
I propose that information, being proven wrong, to be removed from the "Trivia" section. {{User|‎Jardim}}


:You can just remove it. {{User|Yoshi876}}
:You can just remove it. {{User|Yoshi876}}
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==Bias==  
==Bias==  
What is Bias? [[User:Kirby kart|Kirby kart]]
What is Bias? [[User:Kirby kart|Kirby kart]]
:<s> What does this mean exactly </s>  [[User:Somethingone|Somethingone]] ([[User talk:Somethingone|talk]]) 22:15, July 19, 2021 (EDT)


==Wait, Yoshi The Character appears in Yoshi's New Island?==
==Wait, Yoshi The Character appears in Yoshi's New Island?==


I thought ''Yoshi's New Island'' took place on [[Egg Island]], a different location from [[Yoshi's Island (location)|Yoshi's Island]], and would thus feature a different bunch of Yoshis. What would make the green Yoshi appearing in that game The Yoshi? [[User:SmokedChili|SmokedChili]] ([[User talk: SmokedChili|Talk]])  
I thought ''Yoshi's New Island'' took place on [[Egg Island]], a different location from [[Yoshi's Island (place)|Yoshi's Island]], and would thus feature a different bunch of Yoshis. What would make the green Yoshi appearing in that game The Yoshi? [[User:SmokedChili|SmokedChili]] ([[User talk: SmokedChili|Talk]])  
([[User:SmokedChili/Thoughts Page|Thoughts]]) 17:23, 5 August 2014 (EDT)
([[User:SmokedChili/Thoughts Page|Thoughts]]) 17:23, 5 August 2014 (EDT)


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== ''Yoshi'' edits (continued) ==
== ''Yoshi'' edits (continued) ==
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OK, guys, this is a discussion started on [[User:7feetunder|7feetunder]]'s talk page, and it concerns this: is Yoshi an actual character in ''New Super Mario Bros Wii''? Share your thoughts below.{{unsigned|Skuchi037}}
OK, guys, this is a discussion started on [[User:7feetunder|7feetunder]]'s talk page, and it concerns this: is Yoshi an actual character in ''New Super Mario Bros Wii''? Share your thoughts below.{{unsigned|Skuchi037}}
:[[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] brought this up on my talk page: [[Toad]]'s article has a "possible appearances" section, which exists to deal with the similar issue of determining whether or not appearances of generic red-spotted [[Toad (species)|Toads]] are ''the'' Toad. I think the addition of such a section to this article would be helpful, since there's no real evidence to confirm nor debunk Yoshi appearing in ''NSMBWii''/''NSMBU''. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 01:07, 2 August 2017 (EDT)
:[[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] brought this up on my talk page: [[Toad]]'s article has a "possible appearances" section, which exists to deal with the similar issue of determining whether or not appearances of generic red-spotted [[Toad (species)|Toads]] are ''the'' Toad. I think the addition of such a section to this article would be helpful, since there's no real evidence to confirm nor debunk Yoshi appearing in ''NSMBWii''/''NSMBU''. {{User:7feetunder/sig}} 01:07, 2 August 2017 (EDT)
::All I have to say is....if it's the same Yoshi, why does it hatch multiple times? Bowser trapped him in the egg ''once''. I'm not buying it. Also, I think I've gotten two green Yoshis in single player of NSMBW through some glitch. It seems to be more of a case a la "The Big Boo": different individuals, or even a species, are referred to in a singular sense, such as how the ''Super Mario Sunshine'' manual says "Yoshi's back, so saddle up!"{{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} 00:34, 2 August 2017 (CT)
::All I have to say is....if it's the same Yoshi, why does it hatch multiple times? Bowser trapped him in the egg ''once''. I'm not buying it. Also, I think I've gotten two green Yoshis in single player of NSMBW through some glitch. It seems to be more of a case a la "The Big Boo": different individuals, or even a species, are referred to in a singular sense, such as how the ''Super Mario Sunshine'' manual says "Yoshi's back, so saddle up!"{{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} 00:34, 2 August 2017 (CT)
:::I never liked the "possible appearances" section on Toad's page. All of it is too speculative, relying too much on maybes without offering anything definitive in return. If we don't know if if a given Toad is ''the'' Toad, I'd rather that we cover it on the [[Toad (species)]] article and refrain from potentially misleading readers  or any unnecessary speculation. This also applies to this article, with any uncertain appearances being listed on [[Green Yoshi]]. If the information is still accessible, but in a different place that doesn't require us to say "possibly" in every sentence, then I don't see the problem. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 01:42, 2 August 2017 (EDT)
:::I never liked the "possible appearances" section on Toad's page. All of it is too speculative, relying too much on maybes without offering anything definitive in return. If we don't know if if a given Toad is ''the'' Toad, I'd rather that we cover it on the [[Toad (species)]] article and refrain from potentially misleading readers  or any unnecessary speculation. This also applies to this article, with any uncertain appearances being listed on [[Green Yoshi]]. If the information is still accessible, but in a different place that doesn't require us to say "possibly" in every sentence, then I don't see the problem. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 01:42, 2 August 2017 (EDT)
::::There was a proposal for possible appearances [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/39#Separating_confirmed_and_possible_generic-looking_character_appearances|here]]. The idea evolved from an earlier discussion I brought forth, which is also linked in that proposal for reference. It's an improvement over Toad's old confusion with appearances section, but it could probably be much better condensed for something marked with uncertainty. An outright removal may be unwise for the reasons mentioned back then, so definitely check it out if you need to see where it's coming from. Either way - looking back, the proposal should have actually covered all similar character/species articles, but it seems that just didn't happen for some reason I can only guess. If we're going to start somewhere, I suppose now would be a good time to start with Yoshi. Better late than never. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 03:07, 2 August 2017 (EDT)
::::There was a proposal for possible appearances [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive_39#Separating_confirmed_and_possible_generic-looking_character_appearances|here]]. The idea evolved from an earlier discussion I brought forth, which is also linked in that proposal for reference. It's an improvement over Toad's old confusion with appearances section, but it could probably be much better condensed for something marked with uncertainty. An outright removal may be unwise for the reasons mentioned back then, so definitely check it out if you need to see where it's coming from. Either way - looking back, the proposal should have actually covered all similar character/species articles, but it seems that just didn't happen for some reason I can only guess. If we're going to start somewhere, I suppose now would be a good time to start with Yoshi. Better late than never. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 03:07, 2 August 2017 (EDT)
:::::I understand that, but at the same time, I still think that some of the sections are unnecessary. A few of them could be outright moved to the official history section, like Super Mario 64 and Superstar Saga (they even have citations!), but then there's stuff like the Super Mario Bros. section, which states that "it is often assumed" without offering any logical or reasonable explanation, or the inclusion of [[Captain Toad]], when [[Talk:Captain Toad#confirmed: Captain Toad is not toad|it's already been confirmed]] that Captain Toad and regular Toad are separate characters. It could do with some clean-up, at the very least. In any case, if we're pushing forward with adding the section to other articles, how many would actually be affected? Besides Toad, there's obviously Yoshi, and maybe [[Birdo]], but I can't think of any other examples. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 11:12, 2 August 2017 (EDT)
:::::I understand that, but at the same time, I still think that some of the sections are unnecessary. A few of them could be outright moved to the official history section, like Super Mario 64 and Superstar Saga (they even have citations!), but then there's stuff like the Super Mario Bros. section, which states that "it is often assumed" without offering any logical or reasonable explanation, or the inclusion of [[Captain Toad]], when [[Talk:Captain Toad#confirmed: Captain Toad is not toad|it's already been confirmed]] that Captain Toad and regular Toad are separate characters. It could do with some clean-up, at the very least. In any case, if we're pushing forward with adding the section to other articles, how many would actually be affected? Besides Toad, there's obviously Yoshi, and maybe [[Birdo]], but I can't think of any other examples. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 11:12, 2 August 2017 (EDT)
::::::''Super Mario 64'' and ''Superstar Saga'' (and to a lesser extent, ''Super Mario Bros. 3'') have citations, so at face value they seemingly don't belong in the section, but at the same time, they're openly conflicting – they just don't agree with each other on which Toad is considered  ''the'' Toad (if such a concept is even still relevant in the [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0G59LgSoGQQ#t=100m38s "current story"], but I digress). They're there because the internal inconsistencies among sources make those appearances inconclusive, and thus more likely as the result of writer's whim or localization oversight than any deliberate reason. The wordy rationale can definitely be trimmed, though, as well as mentions of Captain Toad since that's already been decided and is somewhat padding. I think ''Super Mario Bros.'' is included because certain official profiles count it as Toad's first appearance (albeit not defining the distinction between the character and species). As for other articles, [[Kamek]] technically qualifies, and I can think of [[Boom Boom|one more]]. There are several others such as Mouser, Fryguy, Luma, Polterpup and all the ''Mario Party Advance'' characters, but those articles are also a lot shorter and have a clearer grasp of the subject. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 17:15, 2 August 2017 (EDT)
::::::''Super Mario 64'' and ''Superstar Saga'' (and to a lesser extent, ''Super Mario Bros. 3'') have citations, so at face value they seemingly don't belong in the section, but at the same time, they're openly conflicting – they just don't agree with each other on which Toad is considered  ''the'' Toad (if such a concept is even still relevant in the [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0G59LgSoGQQ#t=100m38s "current story"], but I digress). They're there because the internal inconsistencies among sources make those appearances inconclusive, and thus more likely as the result of writer's whim or localization oversight than any deliberate reason. The wordy rationale can definitely be trimmed, though, as well as mentions of Captain Toad since that's already been decided and is somewhat padding. I think ''Super Mario Bros.'' is included because certain official profiles count it as Toad's first appearance (albeit not defining the distinction between the character and species). As for other articles, [[Kamek]] technically qualifies, and I can think of [[Boom Boom|one more]]. There are several others such as Mouser, Fryguy, Luma, Polterpup and all the ''Mario Party Advance'' characters, but those articles are also a lot shorter and have a clearer grasp of the subject. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 17:15, 2 August 2017 (EDT)
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{{talk}}
The way this article is currently written, the green Yoshi from ''Yoshi's Island'', ''Yoshi Touch & Go'', ''Yoshi's Island DS'', ''Yoshi's New Island'', ''Yoshi's Woolly World'', and ''Yoshi's Crafted World'' (and ''Yoshi's Story'' if one counts the current category and statements such as "Yoshi has been voiced by Kazumi Totaka since ''Yoshi's Story''") is "Yoshi". However, in all these games, "Yoshi" refers to any given playable Yoshi, not any one in particular. In the ''Yoshi's Island'' games, text from Kamek and Message Blocks will basically refer to any color as "Yoshi", and this is more noticeable in the ''Yoshi's ''x'' World'' games, where the player can select whichever Yoshi they want yet dialog from more characters such as Baby Bowser and Blockafellers will always simply refer to "Yoshi" as his name. Additionally, Egg Island and Craft Island are implied to feature an entirely different set of Yoshis than the ones that live on Yoshi's Island, and the ending of ''Yoshi's Island DS'' reveals a baby green Yoshi as one of the star children, suggesting that he will be the main Yoshi that later appears in ''Super Mario World'', ''Super Mario RPG'', ''Super Mario 64'', etc. Instruction booklets also refer to the player's Yoshi as "Yoshi" in general, not a specific green Yoshi. The green Yoshi tends to be the "starting Yoshi" (and the "ending Yoshi" in ''Yoshi's Island'' games), but I think that's mostly because it's the most recognizable color. So what can be done to better reflect the games here? [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 11:00, September 6, 2020 (EDT)
The way this article is currently written, the green Yoshi from ''Yoshi's Island'', ''Yoshi Touch & Go'', ''Yoshi's Island DS'', ''Yoshi's New Island'', ''Yoshi's Woolly World'', and ''Yoshi's Crafted World'' (and ''Yoshi's Story'' if one counts the current category and statements such as "Yoshi has been voiced by Kazumi Totaka since ''Yoshi's Story''") is "Yoshi". However, in all these games, "Yoshi" refers to any given playable Yoshi, not any one in particular. In the ''Yoshi's Island'' games, text from Kamek and Message Blocks will basically refer to any color as "Yoshi", and this is more noticeable in the ''Yoshi's ''x'' World'' games, where the player can select whichever Yoshi they want yet dialog from more characters such as Baby Bowser and Blockafellers will always simply refer to "Yoshi" as his name. Additionally, Egg Island and Craft Island are implied to feature an entirely different set of Yoshis than the ones that live on Yoshi's Island, and the ending of ''Yoshi's Island DS'' reveals a baby green Yoshi as one of the star children, suggesting that he will be the main Yoshi that later appears in ''Super Mario World'', ''Super Mario RPG'', ''Super Mario 64'', etc. Instruction booklets also refer to the player's Yoshi as "Yoshi" in general, not a specific green Yoshi. The green Yoshi tends to be the "starting Yoshi" (and the "ending Yoshi" in ''Yoshi's Island'' games), but I think that's mostly because it's the most recognizable color. So what can be done to better reflect the games here? [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 11:00, September 6, 2020 (EDT)
:Indeed, that’s [[List of Yoshi profiles and statistics#Miis' Dialogues (Wii U version)|what ''Mario & Sonic at the Rio 2016 Olympic Games'' was trying to say]]: any colored Yoshi can be referred to as ''Yoshi'', and {{file link|MCDSZ SMW Yoshi.png|recently the ''Super Mario World'' Yoshi has been referred to as a green Yoshi}}. And regarding the green Yoshi being always the same character, Nintendo loves to play around this concept too. An example: the Yoshi found on top of Peach’s Castle in ''Super Mario Odyssey'' is a clear reference to the Yoshi of ''Super Mario 64'', who himself hinted at the adventures of ''Super Mario World''. And the ''Super Mario World'' Yoshi’s house is indeed found near Peach’s Castle in ''Super Mario Odyssey''. The circle might seem closed but if you think about that, Yoshi’s house was in Yoshi’s Island, surely not near Peach’s Castle in ''Super Mario 64'' whose surroundings were in any case very different from what we saw in ''Super Mario Odyssey''. All of a sudden we find ourselves in a different continuity and that Yoshi can be a counterpart at best, if we used a “canonical” approach. Ultimately, this character/species interchangeability is not intuitive for us, ideally the character/species template should start helping us in dealing with this but I think we agreed on a limited use for pages like Dorrie or Draggadon at the moment, to see if we can approach this unintuitive issue. As to what we can do now, if I remember correctly Doc already added in the introduction how Yoshi might sometimes be a different Yoshi from the one seen in ''Super Mario World'', we might review the wording but I’m not sure if we can do much more right now.—[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 14:29, September 6, 2020 (EDT)
:Indeed, that’s [[List of Yoshi profiles and statistics#Miis' Dialogues (Wii U version)|what ''Mario & Sonic at the Rio 2016 Olympic Games'' was trying to say]]: any colored Yoshi can be referred to as ''Yoshi'', and {{media link|MCDSZ SMW Yoshi.png|recently the ''Super Mario World'' Yoshi has been referred to as a green Yoshi}}. And regarding the green Yoshi being always the same character, Nintendo loves to play around this concept too. An example: the Yoshi found on top of Peach’s Castle in ''Super Mario Odyssey'' is a clear reference to the Yoshi of ''Super Mario 64'', who himself hinted at the adventures of ''Super Mario World''. And the ''Super Mario World'' Yoshi’s house is indeed found near Peach’s Castle in ''Super Mario Odyssey''. The circle might seem closed but if you think about that, Yoshi’s house was in Yoshi’s Island, surely not near Peach’s Castle in ''Super Mario 64'' whose surroundings were in any case very different from what we saw in ''Super Mario Odyssey''. All of a sudden we find ourselves in a different continuity and that Yoshi can be a counterpart at best, if we used a “canonical” approach. Ultimately, this character/species interchangeability is not intuitive for us, ideally the character/species template should start helping us in dealing with this but I think we agreed on a limited use for pages like Dorrie or Draggadon at the moment, to see if we can approach this unintuitive issue. As to what we can do now, if I remember correctly Doc already added in the introduction how Yoshi might sometimes be a different Yoshi from the one seen in ''Super Mario World'', we might review the wording but I’m not sure if we can do much more right now.—[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 14:29, September 6, 2020 (EDT)
::Adding to this, the [https://www.gamesdatabase.org/Media/SYSTEM/Nintendo_N64/Manual/formated/Yoshi-s_Story_-_1998_-_Nintendo.pdf ''Yoshi's Story'' manual] refers to any given Yoshi simply as "Yoshi," which combined with Baby Bowser derisively calling any of them "Mario's pet" despite them essentially having just hatched, shows that even then consistency with individuality wasn't a concern. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 14:37, September 6, 2020 (EDT)
::Adding to this, the [https://www.gamesdatabase.org/Media/SYSTEM/Nintendo_N64/Manual/formated/Yoshi-s_Story_-_1998_-_Nintendo.pdf ''Yoshi's Story'' manual] refers to any given Yoshi simply as "Yoshi," which combined with Baby Bowser derisively calling any of them "Mario's pet" despite them essentially having just hatched, shows that even then consistency with individuality wasn't a concern. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 14:37, September 6, 2020 (EDT)
:I feel like [https://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2015/09/10/miyamoto-tezuka-interview.aspx this interview with ''Game Informer''] is a bit relevant. According to Miyamoto, the way ''Mario'' characters are used internally is more like that of a theatre troupe than of defined, strict roles one may expect from a long-running series like this. This may be a stretch, but I am inclined to think this is directly reflective to how they approach game design and how they integrate their characters within each game: it is okay if explicit details are contradicting within each installment or are ambiguous because strict continuity is not a priority. Making something fun is. As a consequence, explicit details that may make it unclear if the green dinosaur from ''Yoshi's Story'', ''SMW'', ''SMS'', ''SMG2'', ''SMO'' etc. are all the same individual do not necessarily mean they are not the same individual "character", in my opinion. I hope that makes sense. -- [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 13:45, January 13, 2021 (EST)
:I feel like [https://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2015/09/10/miyamoto-tezuka-interview.aspx this interview with ''Game Informer''] is a bit relevant. According to Miyamoto, the way ''Mario'' characters are used internally is more like that of a theatre troupe than of defined, strict roles one may expect from a long-running series like this. This may be a stretch, but I am inclined to think this is directly reflective to how they approach game design and how they integrate their characters within each game: it is okay if explicit details are contradicting within each installment or are ambiguous because strict continuity is not a priority. Making something fun is. As a consequence, explicit details that may make it unclear if the green dinosaur from ''Yoshi's Story'', ''SMW'', ''SMS'', ''SMG2'', ''SMO'' etc. are all the same individual do not necessarily mean they are not the same individual "character", in my opinion. I hope that makes sense. -- [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 13:45, January 13, 2021 (EST)
::There's another underlying issue. As a Japanese company, Nintendo's Modus Operandi reflects very well how in the Japanese language the same term can refer to an individual, a member of a species or multiple individuals belonging to said species. We had throughout the years plenty of individuals with the name and standard appearance of the species they belong to, and this is definitely the case of Yoshi. Even more confusingly, as with the case of Toad, differently colored members of the species are still referred to as ''Yoshi''. It's an ambiguity within the Japanese language that is also reflected in how Nintendo handles Yoshi.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 17:35, January 13, 2021 (EST)
:''Super Mario Bros. Wonder'' adds some fuel to the proverbial fire on this one. As you know, the playable Yoshis are called Yoshi, Red Yoshi, Yellow Yoshi, and Light-Blue Yoshi. Seems pretty clear at first, but the game also includes flavor text that swaps out your lead character's name when describing their party after clearing a world. In it, the three other Yoshis are '''all''' just named "Yoshi" (and similarly, Yellow Toad and Blue Toad are just named "Toad" even though, strictly speaking, there's no playable character by that name). This probably won't change much right now, but if nothing else, it's food for thought. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 16:24, January 4, 2024 (EST)
== Reindeer Yoshi ==
While costume variants of characters usually aren't notable enough, this particular variant has now its fair share of history and use, with it first appearing in the first LINE monthly calendar, the December 2015 one, and then being used in Play Nintendo and promotional material before becoming actually playable in ''Mario Kart Tour''. In the current situation, we might even create a complete subgallery featuring this costume variant, with artwork, sprites and screenshots. I'm wondering if we should give this costume variant an increased visibility, either in this page or, if this page is already too big, through a new page. I'd like to know your opinions on the matter.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 11:38, March 26, 2021 (EDT)
:Until Reindeer Yoshi becomes a separate character or is granted some kind of gameplay distinction, I’d say a separate page for him would be too much. [[Builder Mario]] did not have a page until this particular persona was granted a power-up status in SMM2, despite its extensive appearances in prior promotional material and even games. However, I’d say a sub-gallery is warranted. {{User:Koopa con Carne/Sig}} 12:17, March 26, 2021 (EDT)
== What is happening with Yoshi (Kangaroo) ==
To better understand what just happened with Yoshi (Kangaroo), I'd like to show a rather obscure line of dialogue in the Wii U version of ''Mario & Sonic at the Rio 2016 Olympic Games'' that fortunately described Nintendo's policy on the use of the ''Yoshi'' name:
<blockquote>
ヨッシーには、さまざまないろ色がいるけど
そのぜんぶ全部をさ指して「ヨッシー」ってい言うんだ。
「マリオ」みたいな、じぶんじしん自分自身のなまえ名前じゃあないんだね。
でもどのヨッシーも、やさしくてあし足がはや速くて…
そしてく食いしんぼう坊なんだよ!
</blockquote>
A rough translation (I'm not exactly into Japanese) would be:
<blockquote>
There are various Yoshis of different colors, all named "Yoshi".
It's not an own name like "Mario".
Still, every Yoshi is kind and has fast feet... and is a glutton!
</blockquote>
This mirrors what was also said in the same game about Toad:
<blockquote>
キノピオには、さまざまないろ色のキノピオがいて
そのぜんぶ全部をさ指して「キノピオ」ってい言うんだ。
でもどのキノピオも、とってもまじめ真面目でれいぎただ礼儀正しいんだよ!
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
There are various Toads of different colors, all named "Toad".
Still, every Toad is very serious and just polite in the manners!
</blockquote>
The core concept is: a differently colored Yoshi or Toad can be named just ''Yoshi'' or ''Toad'' for simplicity, without specifying the color.
We saw this applied in ''New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe'', where the yellow Toad was often referred to as just ''Toad'', but most importantly in ''Mario Kart Tour'': Penguin Toad is a yellow Toad, but he's referred to as ''Toad''. Now the same is happening to ''Yoshi (Kangaroo)'': the emblem clarifies that he is a yellow Yoshi, but the name is just ''Yoshi'' as they're following this naming policy. Granted, it would have been simpler if they didn't hide such relevant information in obscure and easily missable lines of dialogues (that were also in part [[List of Yoshi profiles and statistics#Miis' Dialogues (Wii U version)|improperly]] [[List of Toad profiles and statistics#Miis' Dialogues (Wii U version)|translated]] in English, making it look as if all colored Yoshis and Toads are named ''Yoshi'' and ''Toad'' respectively - not to the translators' fault, of course, as only recently did this concept and policy become more clear), but at this point it's more and more clear that what was stated there is indeed Nintendo's policy on the use of the names ''Yoshi'' and ''Toad'' alone referred to individuals of different colors.--[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 18:25, September 9, 2021 (EDT)
== Wizenheimer's name spelled incorrectly throughout the page  ==
Okay, Wizenheimer's name has been spelled wrong at many portions of this page, "Wizardheimer" is actually "Wizenheimer", Normally I would edit this myself but the page is protected so that's why I am requesting this to be fixed
[[Special:Contributions/71.82.179.231|71.82.179.231]] 21:16, January 14, 2022 (EST)
== Move certain information to a "possible appearances" section ==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|cancelled}}
See [[Toad#Possible appearances]] for an idea of what I'm talking about. Similar to that article, there are certain appearances of a green Yoshi that aren't specifically stated to be this character, so I think it might be worth doing it here too. Sections I have in mind at the moment are Partners in Time and Color Splash, though I am open to more suggestions in the comments (maybe even some that aren't on this page). By the way, since this is my proposal, I'd rather not continue the debate of merging the articles entirely here.
'''Proposer''': {{User|Swallow}}<br>
'''Deadline''': October 26, 23:59 GMT
===Support===
#{{User|Swallow}} Per proposal
#{{User|Wikiboy10}} Yeah, I feel we could have something like this. It might look a little muddy because of the possible speculation but not every game makes it clear who the Yoshi character is. In fact, [[Mario Super Sluggers|Yoshi is even referred to as Green Yoshi sometimes]]. I do feel we need to discuss which games could have the most controversy though and make sure we aren't using headcanons are anything.
===Oppose===
===Comments===
Is this proposal just meant to allow the creation of a possible appearances section that we can discuss what is included later, or will it also be determining what sections go in there? If it's the latter I think this would be better off being discussed first. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 17:40, October 12, 2022 (EDT)
:Mostly the former, possible sections was sort of discussed in the Yoshi species talk page (the idea itself was even brought up during that vetoed proposal). {{User:Swallow/sig}} 17:57, October 12, 2022 (EDT)
I was actually thinking Toad's possible appearances section could be removed or at least restructured into a compact format, since all it does at this point is pad an already huge article. Right now for the most part, it's not information that couldn't already be covered by the species article. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 10:10, October 13, 2022 (EDT)
== Can someone add the information to this page that the reason why Yoshi (along with Rabbid Yoshi) do not return in Mario + Rabbids Sparks Of Hope is because they are on vacation ==
This information is mentioned on the Rabbid Yoshi page but it is not here for some reason. Also he along with Rabbid Yoshi is indirectly alluded to in the memory known as “The Story So Far”, here’s what the description of the memory says,  ''Shortly after defeating the Megabug the Heroes disbanded. Some remained at Peach's Castle to help her "manage" the Rabbids there and build a new spaceship. With the sudden arrival and then disappearance of the Darkmess Manta- who took with it Mario, Beep-0, and Rabbid Peach- I gathered the remaining Heroes and executed a rescue mission, for which I have yet to hear Beep-0 say thank you.'' So can someone please add that as well {{User|35.137.237.68}}
== Does there still need to be the rewrite template on the page? ==
It was tagged about 4 years ago, I would think that the rewrite has happened by now.{{unsigned|Eggdogchao}}
:Given how there are still some errors in the article to this day. That notice will not be removed, even if it has been 4 years, the notice will be removed some day if the article meets the [[MarioWiki:Good writing|standards]] for a quality article (that doesn't mean it has to nesecearlly reach FA status either, even if it'd be nice). {{User: Shadic 34/sig}} 09:27, March 3, 2023 (EST)
Actually, I think I'll remove the notice myself once I've proofread the entire history section and fix any errors left in the article. {{User: Shadic 34/sig}} 09:48, March 7, 2023 (EST)
:The article has major issues with its writing quality, basically storybook-like writing rather than encyclopedia-writing. The word "fortunately" and "unfortunately" are common. The Yoshi's Island games have most issues. Take this sentence: "Kamek and Bowser simply set out to steal all the children of the Mushroom Kingdom, only to have their quarry escape their grasps one way or another and join Yoshi in a quest to free the other children." "Quarry". The referal to Yoshi as "the dinosaur" or "dinosaur-like hero" is scattered. These issues were the reason the article was tagged a long time ago and if there were rewrite attempts made since, these issues persist. Unfortunately! ;p {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 10:54, March 7, 2023 (EST)
::Actually, I think I remember having removed most mentions of "the dinosaur" on the article a while ago (like, 2022 maybe) but I'll check later if any new or old mentions of "the dinosaur" are still present. {{User: Shadic 34/sig}} 11:19, March 7, 2023 (EST)
== Yoshi in New Super Mario Bros. Wii ==
Doesn't Yoshi also appear in World Coin-5 (New Super Mario Bros. Wii)? It's not listed amongst the levels he appears in on the wiki page.
Through experimentation, I have also found that Yoshis also do not trigger Jumbo Rays to chirp, do not trigger floating barrels to sink, do not have a proper animation for entering horizontal pipes, and cannot hit Flying ? Blocks for items. Yoshi also does not loose momentum when flutter-jumping if the player is not moving with the D-pad, though I have no idea if this mechanic applies in other games:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjhG7ha20AA
{{unsigned|Jumbo Ray}}
:<s>What are you referring to by "World Coin-5"? Like the arcade game, or an actual world in NSMBW that I don't know about? Because I don't think "World Coin" is a world in that game, maybe you're referring to World 9? I'm a bit confused on that part.</s> I will be adding {{world-link|coin|5|World Coin-5 (New Super Mario Bros. Wii)}} in the list of levels Yoshi and his [[Yoshi (species)|specie]]s have appeared in, and the part about Yoshi's mechanics seem interesting and maybe worth putting into the article, so maybe I'll add them later. {{User: Shadic 34/sig}} 09:00, March 23, 2023 (EDT)
== Yoshi's quotes ==
Since I'm making a "[[User:Shadic 34/sandbox/List of Yo'ster quotes|list of Yoshi quotes]]" page, I would like to know more instances where Yoshi speaks in a game. The games I've listed so far are: ''[[Super Mario World]]'', ''[[Super Mario 64]]'', ''[[Super Mario Galaxy 2]]'', ''[[Mario is Missing!]]'', ''[[Super Mario RPG]]'', ''[[Tetris Attack]]'', ''[[Fortune Street]]'', ''[[Mario Golf: World Tour]]'', ''[[Paper Mario: Color Splash]]'', and ''[[Super Mario Party]]''. {{User: Shadic 34/sig}} 13:19, March 30, 2023 (EDT)
:''[[Mario Party 3]]''. (Side note: this very subject was one of my past April Fools' jokes on another Wiki.) <span style="font-family:Mario Party 2/3 Textbox">[[User:RickTommy|RickTommy]] ([[User talk:RickTommy|talk]])</span> 07:11, April 1, 2023 (EDT)
::Thank you very much! And also, I wonder what wiki you made an April Fools joke on specifically? {{User: Shadic 34/sig}} 07:54, April 1, 2023 (EDT)
== Yoshi’s voice in Super Mario Brothers Wonder, etc.. ==
I think Kazumi Totaka voices Yoshi in the Super Mario Brothers Wonder game, but I noticed his name does not appear in the credits. I believe his voice work of that character in the game is uncredited. Kazumi Totaka is still voicing Yoshi, but I hear nobody else is taking over the voice for future Mario games.
Please make this change to the Yoshi page: “In the video games, Yoshi has been voiced by Kazumi Totaka since Yoshi's Story (who also composed the musical score for the game) from 1997 and onwards.”
[[User:JDGamer8300|JDGamer8300]] ([[User talk:JDGamer8300|talk]])
==Mistaken Identity in Mario's World?!: A tale of Two Yoshis==
Hello, So I've been reading some contradictions.
Below can be found in the [[Baby Yoshi]] article
====''Yoshi's Island DS''====
A green Baby Yoshi makes an appearance in ''[[Yoshi's Island DS]]''. After six of the [[star children]] are shown during the credits, '''a Baby Yoshi is revealed as the seventh and final star child upon hatching'''. Similarly to the Yoshis in ''Yoshi's Story'', this baby Yoshi looks strikingly similar to an adult Yoshi despite being a newborn. '''Due to his green coloration and status as a star child, it is possible that this baby Yoshi is the very same [[Yoshi]] that the grown up Mario Bros. would go on to rescue and ally with in ''Super Mario World'' and subsequent ''Super Mario'' games'''.
Below can be found in [[Yoshi|Yoshi's]] article
===Relationships===
====Friends====
Yoshi is one of Mario's closest friends, '''with their relationship stretching back to Mario's birth, when Yoshi helped reunite the newborn Baby Mario with his kidnapped brother, Baby Luigi. Mario, as an adult, has returned the favor in Yoshi's New Island by handing Yoshi powerful items if Yoshi is struggling in levels. Later, Mario helps free Yoshi's homeland from Bowser in Super Mario World'''
Below can be found in the [[Yoshi's Island (series)]] article.
[[Yoshi]] is the main protagonist of the ''Yoshi's Island'' series. He is one of the Yoshis who defend the islands whenever they are threatened by evil forces, often carrying Baby Mario and the other babies on his back. He, like the other Yoshis, has various abilities, including [[Flutter Jump]]ing in the air, [[Ground Pound|ground pound]]ing, swallowing enemies, and producing [[Yoshi's Egg]]s. Yoshi is often the one who finds Baby Mario and begins the quests. '''First Appearance''' [[Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island]]
===Conclusion===
It could be argued that  [[Yoshi|Mr. T. Yoshisaur Munchakoopas]], the Yoshi prominently featured in the ''Super Mario'' franchise, appearing in games such as ''Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars'', ''Super Mario 64'', the ''Mario Party'' series, the ''Mario Kart'' series, all the Sports games, ''Super Mario Odyssey'', and ''Super Mario Wonder'', is a separate entity from the Yoshi who prominently aids Baby Mario in the ''Yoshi's Island'' series. However, unlike Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island, which was developed by [[Nintendo Entertainment Analysis and Development|Nintendo Entertainment Analysis and Development]]. Yoshi's Island DS was developed by [[Artoon]], which means different people on different development teams will have differing opinions on the subject leaving any answers to this topic unanswered for eternity, unless Nintendo says otherwise which will of course never happen --{{User:KevinM/sig}} 02:32, November 14, 2023 (EST)
:Unless i'm overlooking this in your comment, another case proving your point would be Yoshi's line of dialogue in SMW. He introduces himself, as if this is the first time he and Mario meet. And yes, i know SMW came before Yoshi's island, but still. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 03:27, February 9, 2024 (EST)
== Koopa Shell ==
I think Yoshi's infobox image needs to be changed due to having a [[Koopa Shell]] as one of the main focuses. I know this page highly watched and there may be a reason I just felt like I should point it out. {{User:Waddle Dingus/sig}}

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