Editing Talk:Yo'ster Isle

== Merge with Yoshi's Island ==
So "Yo'ster Isle" is another one of those inconsistent translations according to the trivia. Then it should be merged with [[Yoshi's Island (place)]]. There seem to be quite a few inconsistencies in SMRPG (how could they name Cheep-Cheep "Goby"?). --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 12:34, 17 January 2010 (EST)
:I believe this exact discussion has happened time and time again. I both support the merge, but also oppose it because there's quite a bit of info here that could stand on its own. I'll wait until others that have been here longer (and were involved in those discussion) become involved. Feel free to set up a merge proposal template, though. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 13:21, 19 January 2010 (EST)
::How is the information being able to stand on its own a reason not to merge these? I'm sure a lot of articles have sections that could theoretically stand on their own and we still don't split them because of that. All the information from this article would fit in well in the Yoshi's Island (place) article, as a section on its appearance in ''Super Mario RPG''; in fact, the article already has this section, mentioning that Yo'ster Island is simply the name used for Yoshi's Island in ''SMRPG''. Since the Japanese name is indeed the same for both (ヨースター島), I would definitely agree with a merge, since this appears to be no more than a mistranslation, and we merged Shy Away with Beezo and Goby with Cheep-Cheep as well.--[[User:Vellidragon|vellidragon]] 13:47, 19 January 2010 (EST)
:::I fully agree. All information can be transferred. And even when the island is called "Yoshi's Island" in English, the place's appearance changes more or less throughout the series, yet it's still all in one article. The same can be said about many other places in the Mario universe. --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 13:57, 19 January 2010 (EST)

==Merge Yo'ster Island with [[Yoshi's Island (place)|Yoshi's Island]]==
{{TPP}}
Per the comments above.

'''Proposer:''' {{User|Reversinator}}<br>
'''Deadline:''' March 22 2010, 23:59

===Merge===
#{{User|Reversinator}} Per the comments above.
#{{User|Vellidragon}} Per comment above.
#{{User|KS3}} Per the comment above.
#{{User|Mr.C}} Per the comment above.
#{{User|FourPaperHeroes}} Per the comment above.
#{{User|Walkazo}} - Per all.

===No Merge===

===Comments===
If the only reason we're saying to merge this is because of the Japanese names being the same, shouldn't [[Kamek]] and [[Magikoopa]] also be merged? --{{User|Marcelagus}}
:No because Kamek is a specific magikoopa, while magikoopas are a species. {{User:KS3/sig 2}}
::But what justifies that this Yo'ster Isle is the same thing as Yoshi's Island, then? If they're named differently in the English versions of the game but the same in the Japanese versions, then there's no conclusive evidence showing that they are the same, and we would be assuming that this was a translation mistake, no? --{{User|Marcelagus}}
:::Well, they DID mistranslate Cheep Cheep as Goby and Beezo as Shy Away, so more translation mistkaes are expected. {{User|Reversinator}}
::::What is expected cannot be used as proof. --{{User|Marcelagus}}
:::::Well, Yo'ster Isle is an island where Yoshis live; Yoshi's Island is an island where Yoshis live. Both are named ヨースター島 (yousutaa-jima) in Japanese; the Japanese name is more than just an ambiguous term referring to an island of Yoshis, it's a rather unambiguous name for a specific place, so it strikes me as logical to assume two similar places with that specific name were intended to be the same place. Of course, we cannot prove that the island in ''Super Mario RPG'' and that in the rest of the series were not, in fact, intended to be different places with the same name, but how likely is it that that exact same name would be assigned to two islands with the same basic concept if they were intended to be different locations? If we keep this split because we cannot prove with 100% certainty they are the same thing, we also can't assume that the person named Mario appearing in most games is intended to always be the same character. If two reasonably similar things having the same name in the original versions of the games is not enough of a reason to cover them in the same article, half of the articles on the wiki would probably have to be split into individual appearances.--[[User:Vellidragon|vellidragon]] 11:25, 10 March 2010 (EST)

Kamek's first appearence was in a japan game.And so is Yoster island.So if these two island are the same,then Kamek and magikoopa are the same person too because magikoopas are named kameks in japan.I mean,it's logic right?{{User|Mr bones}}

:That's true; however, we can't cover [[Magikoopa]] and [[Kamek]] in the same article since the former article covers the enemy type while the latter covers the one particular Magikoopa who appears as a character in some games. We cover [[Yoshi]] and [[Yoshi (species)]] or [[Birdo]] and [[Birdo (species)]] seperately as well (and they have the same name even in English), as one covers a particular recurring member of a species and the other covers their species. Kamek & Magikoopa being seperate articles appears to follow the same logic, they would likely be seperate even if they had the same name in English as well. Yo'ster Island and Yoshi's Island can be the same island because both names refer to a singular location. Magikoopa and Kamek cannot be "the same person" because the former does not normally refer to an individual character while the latter does.--[[User:Vellidragon|vellidragon]] 12:53, 10 March 2010 (EST)
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 == Merge with Yoshi's Island ==
-So "Yo'ster Isle" is another one of those inconsistent translations according to the trivia. Then it should be merged with [[Yoshi's Island (location)]]. There seem to be quite a few inconsistencies in SMRPG (how could they name Cheep-Cheep "Goby"?). --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 12:34, 17 January 2010 (EST)
+So "Yo'ster Isle" is another one of those inconsistent translations according to the trivia. Then it should be merged with [[Yoshi's Island (place)]]. There seem to be quite a few inconsistencies in SMRPG (how could they name Cheep-Cheep "Goby"?). --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 12:34, 17 January 2010 (EST)
 :I believe this exact discussion has happened time and time again. I both support the merge, but also oppose it because there's quite a bit of info here that could stand on its own. I'll wait until others that have been here longer (and were involved in those discussion) become involved. Feel free to set up a merge proposal template, though. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 13:21, 19 January 2010 (EST)
-::How is the information being able to stand on its own a reason not to merge these? I'm sure a lot of articles have sections that could theoretically stand on their own and we still don't split them because of that. All the information from this article would fit in well in the Yoshi's Island (location) article, as a section on its appearance in ''Super Mario RPG''; in fact, the article already has this section, mentioning that Yo'ster Island is simply the name used for Yoshi's Island in ''SMRPG''. Since the Japanese name is indeed the same for both (ヨースター島), I would definitely agree with a merge, since this appears to be no more than a mistranslation, and we merged Shy Away with Beezo and Goby with Cheep-Cheep as well.--[[User:Vellidragon|vellidragon]] 13:47, 19 January 2010 (EST)
+::How is the information being able to stand on its own a reason not to merge these? I'm sure a lot of articles have sections that could theoretically stand on their own and we still don't split them because of that. All the information from this article would fit in well in the Yoshi's Island (place) article, as a section on its appearance in ''Super Mario RPG''; in fact, the article already has this section, mentioning that Yo'ster Island is simply the name used for Yoshi's Island in ''SMRPG''. Since the Japanese name is indeed the same for both (ヨースター島), I would definitely agree with a merge, since this appears to be no more than a mistranslation, and we merged Shy Away with Beezo and Goby with Cheep-Cheep as well.--[[User:Vellidragon|vellidragon]] 13:47, 19 January 2010 (EST)
 :::I fully agree. All information can be transferred. And even when the island is called "Yoshi's Island" in English, the place's appearance changes more or less throughout the series, yet it's still all in one article. The same can be said about many other places in the Mario universe. --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 13:57, 19 January 2010 (EST)
-==Merge Yo'ster Island with [[Yoshi's Island (location)|Yoshi's Island]]==
+==Merge Yo'ster Island with [[Yoshi's Island (place)|Yoshi's Island]]==
-{{Settled TPP}}
+{{TPP}}
-{{Proposal outcome|passed|7-0|Merge}}
 Per the comments above.
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 #{{User|FourPaperHeroes}} Per the comment above.
 #{{User|Walkazo}} - Per all.
-#{{User|Mr bones}} - Per all.
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 :That's true; however, we can't cover [[Magikoopa]] and [[Kamek]] in the same article since the former article covers the enemy type while the latter covers the one particular Magikoopa who appears as a character in some games. We cover [[Yoshi]] and [[Yoshi (species)]] or [[Birdo]] and [[Birdo (species)]] seperately as well (and they have the same name even in English), as one covers a particular recurring member of a species and the other covers their species. Kamek & Magikoopa being seperate articles appears to follow the same logic, they would likely be seperate even if they had the same name in English as well. Yo'ster Island and Yoshi's Island can be the same island because both names refer to a singular location. Magikoopa and Kamek cannot be "the same person" because the former does not normally refer to an individual character while the latter does.--[[User:Vellidragon|vellidragon]] 12:53, 10 March 2010 (EST)
-Yeah,but Yoshis don't only live in Yoshi Island!They also live in Lavalava Island!{{User:Mr bones/sig}}
-:And what does that have to do with our discussion? {{User:Reversinator/sig}}
-I was just answering vellidragon.He said that Yoshi live in Yoster island and yoshi island so they should be merged.{{User:Mr bones/sig}}
-:I'm not a he :3 And I wasn't implying Yoshis only live on Yoshi's Island/Yo'ster Island and that they should be merged solely because "both" are inhabited by Yoshis. I was just emphasising that both the island translated as "Yoshi's Island" and the island translated as "Yo'ster Island" follow one and the same concept ''in addition to'' having the exact same name in Japanese. It's those two things (same concept + same name) coming together that make me recognise them as one and the same thing and support the merge. Sorry if that wasn't clear from my comment above :\ --[[User:Vellidragon|vellidragon]] 11:04, 22 March 2010 (EDT)
-Yeah,maybe they should be merged after all.And,yeah,sorry about that "he" thing.{{User:Mr bones/sig}}