Editing Talk:Wire Spin

== ''[[Wario Land: Shake It!]]'' ==
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't this move appear in ''Wario Land: Shake It!''? {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 08:12, 11 September 2017 (EDT)
:Sorry For The EXTREMELY Late Reply (i Forgot about it) But no it Doesn't. [[User:LUIGIRULES71|LUIGIRULES71]] ([[User talk:LUIGIRULES71|talk]]) 10:51, 23 February 2018 (EST)
::Actually, yeah, it does. You can spin around bars and swing off them in the Chortlebot fight and the [[Just Plains]] level. {{User:Bye Guy/Sig}} 14:40, 22 February 2019 (EST)

==Super Whirl Jump==
If the above gets included, I wonder if we can merge all of them to [[Super Whirl Jump]], as they seem to be the same generic concept adapted to different games... [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 21:04, March 6, 2020 (EST)
:That one requires FLUDD though, right? [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 10:01, December 20, 2022 (EST)
::I think diving into a rope also works, but a lot of elements are tailored to FLUDD there. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 18:15, March 2, 2023 (EST)

== Merge [[Bar Spin]] to Wire Spin (and ''maaaybe'' merge [[Super Whirl Jump]] to it as well) ==

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So, it's been a while since we've split [[Wire]] from [[Rope]] and merged the Bars to Wire. Now though, it appears that we still have [[Wire Spin]] and [[Bar Spin]] as separate articles, even though they're essentially the same thing, an acrobatic move in which the user spins around a horizontal bar or rope.

It appears that the only reason these are split is that the object the user is spinning around on isn't the same thing, but with Wire and Bar sharing the same article, that is rendered moot. And even if we decide to split bars from wires in the future, I'd still argue it's a rather minuscule, pointless split, that only leads to confusion (see the old discussion atop this talk page). ''You still spin around on a thin (horizontal) thing in the exact same fashion, in order to jump higher''. We haven't split [[Fly]] into multiple semi-articles because one method of flying uses a raccoon tail and another uses a propeller helmet, so I feel like we shouldn't have to be splitting hairs in this specific case either. Heck, this Wire Spin article even mentions it's also known as the Bar Spin, too.

Now, that brings into question if we should also merge the [[Super Whirl Jump]] to Wire Spin. I'm not entirely sure, because the Super Whirl Jump also seemingly requires [[F.L.U.D.D.]] to activate it; also, because the Super Whirl Jump is used on ''tightropes'', which were kept on the Rope page. However, it's still the same motion (spinning around on a thin, horizontal thing in order to jump higher), so I thought it'd be fair to include it in the proposal.

'''Proposer''': {{User|Arend}}<br>
'''Deadline''': May 10, 2024, 23:59 GMT
====Merge Bar Spin to Wire Spin====
#{{User|Arend}} Per proposal: we could definitely set the bar a bit lower when it comes to defining this term.
#{{User|DrippingYellow}} "Bar Spin" is even listed as an alternate name for Wire Spin from the MvDK 3DS Ambassador Program manual. We might as well, it would be consistent with how we handle [[Ground Pound]]/Smash Attack.
#{{User|Nintendo101}} Per comments. I would prefer keeping [[Super Whirl Jump]] separate since it seems to be recognized under a different name and is dependent on [[F.L.U.D.D.]]
#{{User|Camwoodstock}} Primary option. We merged Wires and Bars, and it's not like we haven't merged similar moves with different names before as DrippingYellow mentioned, so why ''not'' these, right?
#{{User|Archivist Toadette}} Pretty sure the Super Whirl Jump is the move that comes after the Wire Spin.

====Merge both Bar Spin and Super Whirl Jump to Wire Spin====
#{{User|Camwoodstock}} Secondary option. We figure that given the aforementioned merge of the [[Ground Pound]]/"Smash Attack" by DrippingYellow, given all three of these moves involve, well, spinning across a wire/bar to jump off it for extra momentum, this seems only fair. We wouldn't consider it as urgent as merging Bar Spin to Wire Spin seeing as it's not like we had a proposal to merge Bar, Wire, and {{Fake link|Super Whirl}} to the same article, but it would be something we'd like to see eventually.

====Do nothing====
====Comments====
@Arend, do you know the Japanese names for each of these moves? - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 23:18, April 27, 2024 (EDT)
:No, unfortunately. I might have to look for Japanese guides and manuals for the games this move appears in. {{User:Arend/sig}} 07:08, April 28, 2024 (EDT)
:Okay, so I found [https://m1.nintendo.net/docvc/RVL/JPN/RWLJ/RWLJ_J.pdf a pretty high-quality PDF of the Japanese ''Wario Land Shake'' manual] (which I assume is hosted on an official Nintendo website, given the URL), and it details the bar spin on Page 20, with the title {{ruby|鉄棒|てつほう}}やロープで{{ruby|反動|はんどう}}をつける. According to Google Translate, that roughly translates to "Use a horizontal bar or rope to provide some momentum". That's already a full sentence, so I'm not sure if that's the actual Japanese name of the move, and I'm not well-versed enough on Japanese to dissect this title, let alone the description for the move. Best I could come up with is {{ruby|反動|はんどう}}をつける, which roughly translates to "rebound", according to Google Translate. Still, it's ''something''. {{User:Arend/sig}} 07:45, April 28, 2024 (EDT)
::Oh, I should also note that the move is also on [https://www.nintendo.co.jp/wii/rwlj/action/action04.html the Japanese ''Wario Land Shake'' website] (which surprisingly still works). Here, this section is given the title 鉄棒につかまる, which roughly translates to "Hold on to the iron bar", which is a direction too, but doesn't even really disclose the ''spin'' part, which this section is about, so I'm not entirely sure that's the name of the move either. {{User:Arend/sig}} 07:54, April 28, 2024 (EDT)
:Okay, next up, ''Donkey Kong'' GB. I found the [https://www.nintendo.co.jp/data/software/manual/man_rahj.pdf electronic manual for its Japanese Virtual Console] release, where the Wire Spin is seemingly referred to as 大車輪, which roughly translates to "big wheel" or "large wheels" (as Mario is spinning like a wheel here). It's a lot clearer than with the ''Wario Land Shake'' manual. Yeah, it may not be the manual for the original release, but it'll have to do for now. {{User:Arend/sig}} 08:49, April 28, 2024 (EDT)
::Nintendo Co., Ltd. seems to have a lot of reverence for their old websites, or at least when compared to Nintendo of America. They still host sites from the early 90s for obscure Game Boy titles like ''[https://www.nintendo.co.jp/n02/dmg/ssa/index.html SolarStriker]''. If there is an old game published by Nintendo, it almost definitely has an actively hosted website. Your inclination on the booklet is also correct. Nintendo hosts PDFs of their manuals through official outlets. They do this for consumers who need to print them again in case theirs became lost or damaged.
::Any who, while「大車輪」literally translates to "big wheel", it is the Japanese name for {{wp|giant (gymnastics)|giant}}, a proper move in gymnastics. In addition to the GB ''Donkey Kong'', this is the name used for the move on [https://ohp.nintendo.co.jp/data/software/manual/man_PAGJ_00.pdf page 14 of the ''Mario vs. Donkey Kong'' instruction booklet]. Even if unnamed in the material available to us, the action in ''Wario Land: Shake It!'' is pretty clearly derived from the same move. I support a merger. - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 09:53, April 28, 2024 (EDT)
:::I see. Also, I found out they reused that "big wheel" name for [https://www.nintendo.com/jp/switch/a97pa/index.html the Nintendo Switch version], too. Definitely should add that to this page, then. {{User:Arend/sig}} 10:01, April 28, 2024 (EDT)
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 == Merge [[Bar Spin]] to Wire Spin (and ''maaaybe'' merge [[Super Whirl Jump]] to it as well) ==
-{{Settled TPP}}
-{{Proposal outcome|passed|7-1-0|merge Bar Spin only}}
+{{TPP}}
 So, it's been a while since we've split [[Wire]] from [[Rope]] and merged the Bars to Wire. Now though, it appears that we still have [[Wire Spin]] and [[Bar Spin]] as separate articles, even though they're essentially the same thing, an acrobatic move in which the user spins around a horizontal bar or rope.
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 #{{User|Nintendo101}} Per comments. I would prefer keeping [[Super Whirl Jump]] separate since it seems to be recognized under a different name and is dependent on [[F.L.U.D.D.]]
 #{{User|Camwoodstock}} Primary option. We merged Wires and Bars, and it's not like we haven't merged similar moves with different names before as DrippingYellow mentioned, so why ''not'' these, right?
-#{{User|Archivist Toadette}} Pretty sure the Super Whirl Jump is the move that comes after the Wire Spin. But yeah, as per my old comment, both "spins" are clearly the same move.
+#{{User|Archivist Toadette}} Pretty sure the Super Whirl Jump is the move that comes after the Wire Spin.
-#{{User|EvieMaybe}} it wouldve been really funny if SMBW let you spin on pole blocks and we had a Bar Spin, Wire Spin and Pole Spin before this proposal. per all
-#{{User|LinkTheLefty}} No matter how you shake it, "''Shake''" was just taking advantage of the "''shake''" controls.
 ====Merge both Bar Spin and Super Whirl Jump to Wire Spin====
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 ::Any who, while「大車輪」literally translates to "big wheel", it is the Japanese name for {{wp|giant (gymnastics)|giant}}, a proper move in gymnastics. In addition to the GB ''Donkey Kong'', this is the name used for the move on [https://ohp.nintendo.co.jp/data/software/manual/man_PAGJ_00.pdf page 14 of the ''Mario vs. Donkey Kong'' instruction booklet]. Even if unnamed in the material available to us, the action in ''Wario Land: Shake It!'' is pretty clearly derived from the same move. I support a merger. - [[User:Nintendo101|Nintendo101]] ([[User talk:Nintendo101|talk]]) 09:53, April 28, 2024 (EDT)
 :::I see. Also, I found out they reused that "big wheel" name for [https://www.nintendo.com/jp/switch/a97pa/index.html the Nintendo Switch version], too. Definitely should add that to this page, then. {{User:Arend/sig}} 10:01, April 28, 2024 (EDT)
-What was the source for "Bar Spin" in the context of ''Wario Land: Shake It!'' anyway? [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 15:00, April 29, 2024 (EDT)
-:[https://web.archive.org/web/20080924150410/http://www.wariolandshakeit.com/launch/index.html North American website for the game], in the How to Play section (specifically in the subsection also named "How to Play"). {{User:Arend/sig}} 19:18, April 29, 2024 (EDT)