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'''Wing Cap cameo on Rayman Legends''' | |||
I was watching a video from Rayman Legends on Wii U, and when Rayman has the Mario costume on him and press "A" to glide, his head takes the form of the Wing Cap. Just thought it was noteworthy in the article. | I was watching a video from Rayman Legends on Wii U, and when Rayman has the Mario costume on him and press "A" to glide, his head takes the form of the Wing Cap. Just thought it was noteworthy in the article. | ||
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== "Wings" as an item == | == "Wings" as an item == | ||
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So on [https://cdn02.nintendo-europe.com/media/downloads/games_8/emanuals/nintendo_ds_21/Manual_NintendoDS_SuperMario64DS_EN.pdf page 18 of the English instruction booklet for 64DS,] the section describing Wing Mario has "Wings" for a header and shows screenshots of both Wing Mario and the feather item. The article currently seems to treat "Wings" as the name of the feather item. However, [https://m1.nintendo.net/docvc/NTR/JPN/ASMJ/ASMJ_J.pdf the respective page of the Japanese manual] is headed as 羽根マリオ (''Hane Mario'', Wing Mario), decidedly ''not'' referring to the feather. Personally, I feel the feather could be considered an iteration of [[Cape Feather]], given the forms are fairly similar in function, the [[Super Mushroom]] in that game turns them into [[Mega Mario]], and the [[Super Leaf]] also has two forms associated with it. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 23:44, May 1, 2020 (EDT) | So on [https://cdn02.nintendo-europe.com/media/downloads/games_8/emanuals/nintendo_ds_21/Manual_NintendoDS_SuperMario64DS_EN.pdf page 18 of the English instruction booklet for 64DS,] the section describing Wing Mario has "Wings" for a header and shows screenshots of both Wing Mario and the feather item. The article currently seems to treat "Wings" as the name of the feather item. However, [https://m1.nintendo.net/docvc/NTR/JPN/ASMJ/ASMJ_J.pdf the respective page of the Japanese manual] is headed as 羽根マリオ (''Hane Mario'', Wing Mario), decidedly ''not'' referring to the feather. Personally, I feel the feather could be considered an iteration of [[Cape Feather]], given the forms are fairly similar in function, the [[Super Mushroom]] in that game turns them into [[Mega Mario]], and the [[Super Leaf]] also has two forms associated with it. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 23:44, May 1, 2020 (EDT) | ||
:Are you talking moving the Wings to a separate article or merging that information with the Cape Feather? I don't really I agree with either, since it's still just the Wing Cap. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 23:51, May 1, 2020 (EDT) | :Are you talking moving the Wings to a separate article or merging that information with the Cape Feather? I don't really I agree with either, since it's still just the Wing Cap. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 23:51, May 1, 2020 (EDT) | ||
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== What to do with "Wings" == | == What to do with "Wings" == | ||
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I'm quite surprised that I found this by browsing around, but I think it's about time we deal with this misinterpretation. | I'm quite surprised that I found this by browsing around, but I think it's about time we deal with this misinterpretation. | ||
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'''Proposer:''' {{User|Archivist Toadette}}<br> | '''Proposer:''' {{User|Archivist Toadette}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline:''' | '''Deadline:''' October 23, 2020, 23:59 GMT | ||
===Split Wings (''Super Mario 64 DS'') into its own article=== | ===Split Wings (''Super Mario 64 DS'') into its own article=== | ||
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#{{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} Per my thoughts in the above section. | #{{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} Per my thoughts in the above section. | ||
#{{User|Ray Trace}} I like this option the most, since it looks like a cape feather and I think it could easily redirect to this section. | #{{User|Ray Trace}} I like this option the most, since it looks like a cape feather and I think it could easily redirect to this section. | ||
#{{User|LinkTheLefty}} Something really screwy seems to have happened here - the item is clearly depicted as a feather, but the translators don't seem to have picked up on that or translated out of context, resulting in an alternate meaning of ''hane'' being used (as mentioned in above section). It looks like there is supposed to be wordplay with the ''hane'' item being used to transform into ''Hane Mario'' that doesn't really work in English. As for why I'm picking this option, several reasons. First, the Cape Feather (''Manto Hane'') is [https://www.nintendo.co.jp/clvs/manuals/ja/pdf/CLV-P-VAAFJ.pdf also] [https://www.nintendo.co.jp/clvs/manuals/common/pdf/CLV-P-SAAFE.pdf known] as the Feather (''Hane''), and as this chiefly occurs in appearances without Cape Mario, it seems like the "Cape" part of the name was intentionally dropped in this game. It doesn't make much sense to me that this item would be considered separate if the Cape Feather and ''Mario Kart'' Feather are already considered the same thing. Second, when its block is broken, it falls similarly to the Cape Feather from ''Super Mario World'', which is distinctly different from how the original Wing Cap lands in ''Super Mario 64''. It's subtle, but if 1 UP Heart is separate from 1-Up Mushroom (both in appearance and its motion in most games), the same logic applies. Third, I think there is a bit too much overlap in the first option since "Wings" seems to nebulously refer to both the item ''and'' the form. It's possible they had the multiplayer forms for the other characters in mind, but again, the item is clearly a feather. Fourth, given [[tcrf:Prerelease:Super Mario World (SNES)/Sprites#player-hane-QX0W-hane.OBJ|what]] [[tcrf:Prerelease:Super Mario World (SNES)/Sprites#player-hane-TEST-0.OBJ|we]] [[tcrf:Prerelease:Super Mario World (SNES)/Sprites#X-Q-X-1W-hane.CGX|know]] [[tcrf:Prerelease:Super Mario World (SNES)/Sprites#X-Q-X-hane-TEST.CGX|now]], I can't help but feel like the feather giving wings is some sort of in-joke | #{{User|LinkTheLefty}} Something really screwy seems to have happened here - the item is clearly depicted as a feather, but the translators don't seem to have picked up on that or translated out of context, resulting in an alternate meaning of ''hane'' being used (as mentioned in above section). It looks like there is supposed to be wordplay with the ''hane'' item being used to transform into ''Hane Mario'' that doesn't really work in English. As for why I'm picking this option, several reasons. First, the Cape Feather (''Manto Hane'') is [https://www.nintendo.co.jp/clvs/manuals/ja/pdf/CLV-P-VAAFJ.pdf also] [https://www.nintendo.co.jp/clvs/manuals/common/pdf/CLV-P-SAAFE.pdf known] as the Feather (''Hane''), and as this chiefly occurs in appearances without Cape Mario, it seems like the "Cape" part of the name was intentionally dropped in this game. It doesn't make much sense to me that this item would be considered separate if the Cape Feather and ''Mario Kart'' Feather are already considered the same thing. Second, when its block is broken, it falls similarly to the Cape Feather from ''Super Mario World'', which is distinctly different from how the original Wing Cap lands in ''Super Mario 64''. It's subtle, but if 1 UP Heart is separate from 1-Up Mushroom (both in appearance and its motion in most games), the same logic applies. Third, I think there is a bit too much overlap in the first option since "Wings" seems to nebulously refer to both the item ''and'' the form. It's possible they had the multiplayer forms for the other characters in mind, but again, the item is clearly a feather. Fourth, given [[tcrf:Prerelease:Super Mario World (SNES)/Sprites#player-hane-QX0W-hane.OBJ|what]] [[tcrf:Prerelease:Super Mario World (SNES)/Sprites#player-hane-TEST-0.OBJ|we]] [[tcrf:Prerelease:Super Mario World (SNES)/Sprites#X-Q-X-1W-hane.CGX|know]] [[tcrf:Prerelease:Super Mario World (SNES)/Sprites#X-Q-X-hane-TEST.CGX|now]], I can't help but feel like the feather giving wings is some sort of in-joke. Something of note is that Mario Slot and Super Mario Slot include the original Cape Feather design, but given the original ''Super Mario Bros.'' artwork featuring the original design of Bowser is also shown on the slot machine, I wouldn't put too much stock in it. Regardless, you can ''technically'' say the Wing Cap still appears in the game - on Wing Mario's head. Basically, Feather/Wings seems to be in the same boat as King Boo/Big Boo. | ||
===Do nothing=== | ===Do nothing=== | ||
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#{{user|TheDarkStar}} - per all | #{{user|TheDarkStar}} - per all | ||
#{{User|Keyblade Master}} Reconsidered my vote after reading these responses. | #{{User|Keyblade Master}} Reconsidered my vote after reading these responses. | ||
===Comments=== | ===Comments=== | ||
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:::::::::::::The equivalent in the N64 version seems to be this line: “If you get the Wing Cap, you can fly! Put the cap on, then do a Triple Jump--jump three times in a row--to take off. You can fly even higher if you blast out of a cannon wearing the Wing Cap!” Alternately: “When you put on the Wing Cap that comes from a red block, do the Triple Jump to soar high into the sky.” So the DS version rewrote it slightly, though in context, the "Wing cap" could be interpreted as the cap that appears on Wing Mario's head, as I've indicated above. Also, I must point out the obvious - the red blocks are a type of ! Block in the N64 version and ? Block in the DS version, and they have separate articles despite generally being in the same locations. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 08:18, October 19, 2020 (EDT) | :::::::::::::The equivalent in the N64 version seems to be this line: “If you get the Wing Cap, you can fly! Put the cap on, then do a Triple Jump--jump three times in a row--to take off. You can fly even higher if you blast out of a cannon wearing the Wing Cap!” Alternately: “When you put on the Wing Cap that comes from a red block, do the Triple Jump to soar high into the sky.” So the DS version rewrote it slightly, though in context, the "Wing cap" could be interpreted as the cap that appears on Wing Mario's head, as I've indicated above. Also, I must point out the obvious - the red blocks are a type of ! Block in the N64 version and ? Block in the DS version, and they have separate articles despite generally being in the same locations. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 08:18, October 19, 2020 (EDT) | ||
::::::::::::::Yeah, but ? Blocks of 64DS are different from the ! blocks of 64, as you know what comes out of ! blocks based on the color but there is a little bit of a mystery for ? Blocks. Plus it's all of the color blocks merged into one (including their locations). Plus there are even duds coming out of ? Blocks. Wings being in the same location (with added locations) as the Wing Cap is more significant, as this is the only power-up that is. But then again, this is a weak argument in the first place. What is a stronger argument is Waluigi Time's last point. Especially with the argument of Wing Cap appears on Wing Mario's head. {{User:Yoshi the SSM/sig}} 10:40, October 19, 2020 (EDT) | ::::::::::::::Yeah, but ? Blocks of 64DS are different from the ! blocks of 64, as you know what comes out of ! blocks based on the color but there is a little bit of a mystery for ? Blocks. Plus it's all of the color blocks merged into one (including their locations). Plus there are even duds coming out of ? Blocks. Wings being in the same location (with added locations) as the Wing Cap is more significant, as this is the only power-up that is. But then again, this is a weak argument in the first place. What is a stronger argument is Waluigi Time's last point. Especially with the argument of Wing Cap appears on Wing Mario's head. {{User:Yoshi the SSM/sig}} 10:40, October 19, 2020 (EDT) | ||