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'''Wing Cap cameo on Rayman Legends''' | |||
I was watching a video from Rayman Legends on Wii U, and when Rayman has the Mario costume on him and press "A" to glide, his head takes the form of the Wing Cap. Just thought it was noteworthy in the article. | I was watching a video from Rayman Legends on Wii U, and when Rayman has the Mario costume on him and press "A" to glide, his head takes the form of the Wing Cap. Just thought it was noteworthy in the article. | ||
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== "Wings" as an item == | == "Wings" as an item == | ||
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So on [https://cdn02.nintendo-europe.com/media/downloads/games_8/emanuals/nintendo_ds_21/Manual_NintendoDS_SuperMario64DS_EN.pdf page 18 of the English instruction booklet for 64DS,] the section describing Wing Mario has "Wings" for a header and shows screenshots of both Wing Mario and the feather item. The article currently seems to treat "Wings" as the name of the feather item. However, [https://m1.nintendo.net/docvc/NTR/JPN/ASMJ/ASMJ_J.pdf the respective page of the Japanese manual] is headed as 羽根マリオ (''Hane Mario'', Wing Mario), decidedly ''not'' referring to the feather. Personally, I feel the feather could be considered an iteration of [[Cape Feather]], given the forms are fairly similar in function, the [[Super Mushroom]] in that game turns them into [[Mega Mario]], and the [[Super Leaf]] also has two forms associated with it. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 23:44, May 1, 2020 (EDT) | So on [https://cdn02.nintendo-europe.com/media/downloads/games_8/emanuals/nintendo_ds_21/Manual_NintendoDS_SuperMario64DS_EN.pdf page 18 of the English instruction booklet for 64DS,] the section describing Wing Mario has "Wings" for a header and shows screenshots of both Wing Mario and the feather item. The article currently seems to treat "Wings" as the name of the feather item. However, [https://m1.nintendo.net/docvc/NTR/JPN/ASMJ/ASMJ_J.pdf the respective page of the Japanese manual] is headed as 羽根マリオ (''Hane Mario'', Wing Mario), decidedly ''not'' referring to the feather. Personally, I feel the feather could be considered an iteration of [[Cape Feather]], given the forms are fairly similar in function, the [[Super Mushroom]] in that game turns them into [[Mega Mario]], and the [[Super Leaf]] also has two forms associated with it. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 23:44, May 1, 2020 (EDT) | ||
:Are you talking moving the Wings to a separate article or merging that information with the Cape Feather? I don't really I agree with either, since it's still just the Wing Cap. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 23:51, May 1, 2020 (EDT) | :Are you talking moving the Wings to a separate article or merging that information with the Cape Feather? I don't really I agree with either, since it's still just the Wing Cap. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 23:51, May 1, 2020 (EDT) | ||
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== What to do with "Wings" == | == What to do with "Wings" == | ||
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I'm quite surprised that I found this by browsing around, but I think it's about time we deal with this misinterpretation. | I'm quite surprised that I found this by browsing around, but I think it's about time we deal with this misinterpretation. | ||
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'''Proposer:''' {{User|Archivist Toadette}}<br> | '''Proposer:''' {{User|Archivist Toadette}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline:''' | '''Deadline:''' October 23, 2020, 23:59 GMT | ||
===Split Wings (''Super Mario 64 DS'') into its own article=== | ===Split Wings (''Super Mario 64 DS'') into its own article=== | ||
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#{{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} Per my thoughts in the above section. | #{{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} Per my thoughts in the above section. | ||
#{{User|Ray Trace}} I like this option the most, since it looks like a cape feather and I think it could easily redirect to this section. | #{{User|Ray Trace}} I like this option the most, since it looks like a cape feather and I think it could easily redirect to this section. | ||
#{{User|LinkTheLefty}} Something really screwy seems to have happened here - the item is clearly depicted as a feather, but the translators don't seem to have picked up on that or translated out of context, resulting in an alternate meaning of ''hane'' being used (as mentioned in above section). It looks like there is supposed to be wordplay with the ''hane'' item being used to transform into ''Hane Mario'' that doesn't really work in English. As for why I'm picking this option, several reasons. First, the Cape Feather (''Manto Hane'') is [https://www.nintendo.co.jp/clvs/manuals/ja/pdf/CLV-P-VAAFJ.pdf also] [https://www.nintendo.co.jp/clvs/manuals/common/pdf/CLV-P-SAAFE.pdf known] as the Feather (''Hane''), and as this chiefly occurs in appearances without Cape Mario, it seems like the "Cape" part of the name was intentionally dropped in this game. It doesn't make much sense to me that this item would be considered separate if the Cape Feather and ''Mario Kart'' Feather are already considered the same thing. Second, when its block is broken, it falls similarly to the Cape Feather from ''Super Mario World'', which is distinctly different from how the original Wing Cap lands in ''Super Mario 64''. It's subtle, but if 1 UP Heart is separate from 1-Up Mushroom (both in appearance and its motion in most games), the same logic applies. Third, I think there is a bit too much overlap in the first option since "Wings" seems to nebulously refer to both the item ''and'' the form. It's possible they had the multiplayer forms for the other characters in mind, but again, the item is clearly a feather. Fourth, given [[tcrf:Prerelease:Super Mario World (SNES)/Sprites#player-hane-QX0W-hane.OBJ|what]] [[tcrf:Prerelease:Super Mario World (SNES)/Sprites#player-hane-TEST-0.OBJ|we]] [[tcrf:Prerelease:Super Mario World (SNES)/Sprites#X-Q-X-1W-hane.CGX|know]] [[tcrf:Prerelease:Super Mario World (SNES)/Sprites#X-Q-X-hane-TEST.CGX|now]], I can't help but feel like the feather giving wings is some sort of in-joke | #{{User|LinkTheLefty}} Something really screwy seems to have happened here - the item is clearly depicted as a feather, but the translators don't seem to have picked up on that or translated out of context, resulting in an alternate meaning of ''hane'' being used (as mentioned in above section). It looks like there is supposed to be wordplay with the ''hane'' item being used to transform into ''Hane Mario'' that doesn't really work in English. As for why I'm picking this option, several reasons. First, the Cape Feather (''Manto Hane'') is [https://www.nintendo.co.jp/clvs/manuals/ja/pdf/CLV-P-VAAFJ.pdf also] [https://www.nintendo.co.jp/clvs/manuals/common/pdf/CLV-P-SAAFE.pdf known] as the Feather (''Hane''), and as this chiefly occurs in appearances without Cape Mario, it seems like the "Cape" part of the name was intentionally dropped in this game. It doesn't make much sense to me that this item would be considered separate if the Cape Feather and ''Mario Kart'' Feather are already considered the same thing. Second, when its block is broken, it falls similarly to the Cape Feather from ''Super Mario World'', which is distinctly different from how the original Wing Cap lands in ''Super Mario 64''. It's subtle, but if 1 UP Heart is separate from 1-Up Mushroom (both in appearance and its motion in most games), the same logic applies. Third, I think there is a bit too much overlap in the first option since "Wings" seems to nebulously refer to both the item ''and'' the form. It's possible they had the multiplayer forms for the other characters in mind, but again, the item is clearly a feather. Fourth, given [[tcrf:Prerelease:Super Mario World (SNES)/Sprites#player-hane-QX0W-hane.OBJ|what]] [[tcrf:Prerelease:Super Mario World (SNES)/Sprites#player-hane-TEST-0.OBJ|we]] [[tcrf:Prerelease:Super Mario World (SNES)/Sprites#X-Q-X-1W-hane.CGX|know]] [[tcrf:Prerelease:Super Mario World (SNES)/Sprites#X-Q-X-hane-TEST.CGX|now]], I can't help but feel like the feather giving wings is some sort of in-joke. Something of note is that Mario Slot and Super Mario Slot include the original Cape Feather design, but given the original ''Super Mario Bros.'' artwork featuring the original design of Bowser is also shown on the slot machine, I wouldn't put too much stock in it. Regardless, you can ''technically'' say the Wing Cap still appears in the game - on Wing Mario's head. Basically, Feather/Wings seems to be in the same boat as King Boo/Big Boo. | ||
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#{{user|TheDarkStar}} - per all | #{{user|TheDarkStar}} - per all | ||
#{{User|Keyblade Master}} Reconsidered my vote after reading these responses. | #{{User|Keyblade Master}} Reconsidered my vote after reading these responses. | ||
===Comments=== | ===Comments=== | ||
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:::::::::::In the ''Mario Kart'' games, it's just Hane, just like how it's simply "Feather" in English there. Note it ''also'' doesn't give a cape. I suppose another option there is to treat that like Super Mushroom and MK's Mushrooms, though this would need merged with the MK page in that case given how many unrelated subseries the Mushroom page covers. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 13:36, October 16, 2020 (EDT) | :::::::::::In the ''Mario Kart'' games, it's just Hane, just like how it's simply "Feather" in English there. Note it ''also'' doesn't give a cape. I suppose another option there is to treat that like Super Mushroom and MK's Mushrooms, though this would need merged with the MK page in that case given how many unrelated subseries the Mushroom page covers. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 13:36, October 16, 2020 (EDT) | ||
::::::::::::I am convinced. Separating Wings should only be done if it is merged with Cape Feather. So, I removed the vote there. However, I still think that Wings and Wing Cap should be on the same page. Namely besides added locations, it is in the same places. Also, in 64DS, there are signs in Bob-mob Battlefield and Shifting Sand Land that day the following: “You can fly if you’re wearing the red Wing cap! Put the cap on, then triple jump to take off. You can fly even higher if you blast out of a cannon wearing the Wing cap!” Which is interesting as other signs (like the sign about Metal before the gas area) were changed to reflect the remake. Although I didn’t actually check the original to confirm that it was word for word perfect. BOB sign is past the bridge, near the teleported, btw. But in either case, cap isn’t capitalized in the remake. {{User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager/sig}} 23:22, October 18, 2020 (EDT) | ::::::::::::I am convinced. Separating Wings should only be done if it is merged with Cape Feather. So, I removed the vote there. However, I still think that Wings and Wing Cap should be on the same page. Namely besides added locations, it is in the same places. Also, in 64DS, there are signs in Bob-mob Battlefield and Shifting Sand Land that day the following: “You can fly if you’re wearing the red Wing cap! Put the cap on, then triple jump to take off. You can fly even higher if you blast out of a cannon wearing the Wing cap!” Which is interesting as other signs (like the sign about Metal before the gas area) were changed to reflect the remake. Although I didn’t actually check the original to confirm that it was word for word perfect. BOB sign is past the bridge, near the teleported, btw. But in either case, cap isn’t capitalized in the remake. {{User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager/sig}} 23:22, October 18, 2020 (EDT) | ||