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'''Wing Cap cameo on Rayman Legends''' | |||
I was watching a video from Rayman Legends on Wii U, and when Rayman has the Mario costume on him and press "A" to glide, his head takes the form of the Wing Cap. Just thought it was noteworthy in the article. | I was watching a video from Rayman Legends on Wii U, and when Rayman has the Mario costume on him and press "A" to glide, his head takes the form of the Wing Cap. Just thought it was noteworthy in the article. | ||
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== "Wings" as an item == | == "Wings" as an item == | ||
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So on [https://cdn02.nintendo-europe.com/media/downloads/games_8/emanuals/nintendo_ds_21/Manual_NintendoDS_SuperMario64DS_EN.pdf page 18 of the English instruction booklet for 64DS,] the section describing Wing Mario has "Wings" for a header and shows screenshots of both Wing Mario and the feather item. The article currently seems to treat "Wings" as the name of the feather item. However, [https://m1.nintendo.net/docvc/NTR/JPN/ASMJ/ASMJ_J.pdf the respective page of the Japanese manual] is headed as 羽根マリオ (''Hane Mario'', Wing Mario), decidedly ''not'' referring to the feather. Personally, I feel the feather could be considered an iteration of [[Cape Feather]], given the forms are fairly similar in function, the [[Super Mushroom]] in that game turns them into [[Mega Mario]], and the [[Super Leaf]] also has two forms associated with it. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 23:44, May 1, 2020 (EDT) | So on [https://cdn02.nintendo-europe.com/media/downloads/games_8/emanuals/nintendo_ds_21/Manual_NintendoDS_SuperMario64DS_EN.pdf page 18 of the English instruction booklet for 64DS,] the section describing Wing Mario has "Wings" for a header and shows screenshots of both Wing Mario and the feather item. The article currently seems to treat "Wings" as the name of the feather item. However, [https://m1.nintendo.net/docvc/NTR/JPN/ASMJ/ASMJ_J.pdf the respective page of the Japanese manual] is headed as 羽根マリオ (''Hane Mario'', Wing Mario), decidedly ''not'' referring to the feather. Personally, I feel the feather could be considered an iteration of [[Cape Feather]], given the forms are fairly similar in function, the [[Super Mushroom]] in that game turns them into [[Mega Mario]], and the [[Super Leaf]] also has two forms associated with it. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 23:44, May 1, 2020 (EDT) | ||
:Are you talking moving the Wings to a separate article or merging that information with the Cape Feather? I don't really I agree with either, since it's still just the Wing Cap. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 23:51, May 1, 2020 (EDT) | :Are you talking moving the Wings to a separate article or merging that information with the Cape Feather? I don't really I agree with either, since it's still just the Wing Cap. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 23:51, May 1, 2020 (EDT) | ||
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== What to do with "Wings" == | == What to do with "Wings" == | ||
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I'm quite surprised that I found this by browsing around, but I think it's about time we deal with this misinterpretation. | I'm quite surprised that I found this by browsing around, but I think it's about time we deal with this misinterpretation. | ||
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'''Proposer:''' {{User|Archivist Toadette}}<br> | '''Proposer:''' {{User|Archivist Toadette}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline:''' | '''Deadline:''' October 23, 2020, 23:59 GMT | ||
===Split Wings (''Super Mario 64 DS'') into its own article=== | ===Split Wings (''Super Mario 64 DS'') into its own article=== | ||
#{{User|Archivist Toadette}} My preferred option. | #{{User|Archivist Toadette}} My preferred option. | ||
#{{User|DarkNight}} Although it could be a Cape Feather, I personally think it would work better as its own article. | #{{User|DarkNight}} Although it could be a Cape Feather, I personally think it would work better as its own article. | ||
#{{User|Keyblade Master}} It doesn't work the same way as the Cape Feather and is not named as such either. | |||
#{{User|Yoshi the SSM}} Per all. Also see "Do nothing" option. | |||
#{{User|FanOfYoshi}} Per all. It is separate from the Cape Feather, as well. | #{{User|FanOfYoshi}} Per all. It is separate from the Cape Feather, as well. | ||
#{{User|Power Flotzo}} Per all. | #{{User|Power Flotzo}} Per all. | ||
#{{User|1337star}} I'm also fine with this option | #{{User|1337star}} I'm also fine with this option. | ||
===Move the info on Wings to Cape Feather=== | ===Move the info on Wings to Cape Feather=== | ||
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#{{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} Per my thoughts in the above section. | #{{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} Per my thoughts in the above section. | ||
#{{User|Ray Trace}} I like this option the most, since it looks like a cape feather and I think it could easily redirect to this section. | #{{User|Ray Trace}} I like this option the most, since it looks like a cape feather and I think it could easily redirect to this section. | ||
===Do nothing=== | ===Do nothing=== | ||
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#{{User|ChompworksEngineer}} Per Yoshi the SMM and Alex95. It seems unnecessary to split it when the Wings item is the same thing as the Wing Cap except for design. | #{{User|ChompworksEngineer}} Per Yoshi the SMM and Alex95. It seems unnecessary to split it when the Wings item is the same thing as the Wing Cap except for design. | ||
#{{user|TheDarkStar}} - per all | #{{user|TheDarkStar}} - per all | ||
===Comments=== | ===Comments=== | ||
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:Interesting - I was under the impression that it was initially an entirely different subject before explicitly being changed into a Flame Chomp for the remake. Assuming we can't find a source for that it might be better to merge it with Flame Chomp outright. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 12:51, October 11, 2020 (EDT) | :Interesting - I was under the impression that it was initially an entirely different subject before explicitly being changed into a Flame Chomp for the remake. Assuming we can't find a source for that it might be better to merge it with Flame Chomp outright. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 12:51, October 11, 2020 (EDT) | ||
::My thoughts exactly. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 13:49, October 11, 2020 (EDT) | ::My thoughts exactly. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 13:49, October 11, 2020 (EDT) | ||
FWIW, some people seem to be treating Wings as a manual-only name, but it appears in-game as well. When first getting Wings as Mario, the tutorial text that pops up starts with "With Wings on his cap, Mario can take to the skies!" -- [[User:1337star|1337star]] <sup>([[User talk:1337star|Mailbox SP]])</sup> 17:09, October 12, 2020 (EDT) | FWIW, some people seem to be treating Wings as a manual-only name, but it appears in-game as well. When first getting Wings as Mario, the tutorial text that pops up starts with "With Wings on his cap, Mario can take to the skies!" -- [[User:1337star|1337star]] <sup>([[User talk:1337star|Mailbox SP]])</sup> 17:09, October 12, 2020 (EDT) | ||
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:::::::::I covered Wing Cap/Wings too, yeah. What I said there was that the ''items themselves'' have ''nothing'' in common beyond what they change Mario into. They have different designs, different names, act differently when released from the blocks, are released from a different kind of block anyways (note ! Switch and ? Switch also get different pages), and are not all found in the same locations anyways. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 18:20, October 13, 2020 (EDT) | :::::::::I covered Wing Cap/Wings too, yeah. What I said there was that the ''items themselves'' have ''nothing'' in common beyond what they change Mario into. They have different designs, different names, act differently when released from the blocks, are released from a different kind of block anyways (note ! Switch and ? Switch also get different pages), and are not all found in the same locations anyways. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 18:20, October 13, 2020 (EDT) | ||
::::::::::Alright, I think I see where we are now. While I do agree that the Wing Cap and Wings are separate items to an extent, the Wings were only introduced in a remake to replace the original Wing Cap and haven't returned since, with the Wing Cap's effects or otherwise, so I feel it's best to keep them here. In my opinion that's the best approach for things like this. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 18:39, October 13, 2020 (EDT) | ::::::::::Alright, I think I see where we are now. While I do agree that the Wing Cap and Wings are separate items to an extent, the Wings were only introduced in a remake to replace the original Wing Cap and haven't returned since, with the Wing Cap's effects or otherwise, so I feel it's best to keep them here. In my opinion that's the best approach for things like this. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 18:39, October 13, 2020 (EDT) | ||