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'''Wing Cap cameo on Rayman Legends''' | |||
I was watching a video from Rayman Legends on Wii U, and when Rayman has the Mario costume on him and press "A" to glide, his head takes the form of the Wing Cap. Just thought it was noteworthy in the article. | I was watching a video from Rayman Legends on Wii U, and when Rayman has the Mario costume on him and press "A" to glide, his head takes the form of the Wing Cap. Just thought it was noteworthy in the article. | ||
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== "Wings" as an item == | == "Wings" as an item == | ||
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So on [https://cdn02.nintendo-europe.com/media/downloads/games_8/emanuals/nintendo_ds_21/Manual_NintendoDS_SuperMario64DS_EN.pdf page 18 of the English instruction booklet for 64DS,] the section describing Wing Mario has "Wings" for a header and shows screenshots of both Wing Mario and the feather item. The article currently seems to treat "Wings" as the name of the feather item. However, [https://m1.nintendo.net/docvc/NTR/JPN/ASMJ/ASMJ_J.pdf the respective page of the Japanese manual] is headed as 羽根マリオ (''Hane Mario'', Wing Mario), decidedly ''not'' referring to the feather. Personally, I feel the feather could be considered an iteration of [[Cape Feather]], given the forms are fairly similar in function, the [[Super Mushroom]] in that game turns them into [[Mega Mario]], and the [[Super Leaf]] also has two forms associated with it. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 23:44, May 1, 2020 (EDT) | So on [https://cdn02.nintendo-europe.com/media/downloads/games_8/emanuals/nintendo_ds_21/Manual_NintendoDS_SuperMario64DS_EN.pdf page 18 of the English instruction booklet for 64DS,] the section describing Wing Mario has "Wings" for a header and shows screenshots of both Wing Mario and the feather item. The article currently seems to treat "Wings" as the name of the feather item. However, [https://m1.nintendo.net/docvc/NTR/JPN/ASMJ/ASMJ_J.pdf the respective page of the Japanese manual] is headed as 羽根マリオ (''Hane Mario'', Wing Mario), decidedly ''not'' referring to the feather. Personally, I feel the feather could be considered an iteration of [[Cape Feather]], given the forms are fairly similar in function, the [[Super Mushroom]] in that game turns them into [[Mega Mario]], and the [[Super Leaf]] also has two forms associated with it. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 23:44, May 1, 2020 (EDT) | ||
:Are you talking moving the Wings to a separate article or merging that information with the Cape Feather? I don't really I agree with either, since it's still just the Wing Cap. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 23:51, May 1, 2020 (EDT) | :Are you talking moving the Wings to a separate article or merging that information with the Cape Feather? I don't really I agree with either, since it's still just the Wing Cap. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 23:51, May 1, 2020 (EDT) | ||
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== What to do with "Wings" == | == What to do with "Wings" == | ||
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I'm quite surprised that I found this by browsing around, but I think it's about time we deal with this misinterpretation. | I'm quite surprised that I found this by browsing around, but I think it's about time we deal with this misinterpretation. | ||
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'''Proposer:''' {{User|Archivist Toadette}}<br> | '''Proposer:''' {{User|Archivist Toadette}}<br> | ||
'''Deadline:''' | '''Deadline:''' October 23, 2020, 23:59 GMT | ||
===Split Wings (''Super Mario 64 DS'') into its own article=== | ===Split Wings (''Super Mario 64 DS'') into its own article=== | ||
#{{User|Archivist Toadette}} My preferred option. | #{{User|Archivist Toadette}} My preferred option. | ||
#{{User|DarkNight}} Although it could be a Cape Feather, I personally think it would work better as its own article. | #{{User|DarkNight}} Although it could be a Cape Feather, I personally think it would work better as its own article. | ||
#{{User|Keyblade Master}} It doesn't work the same way as the Cape Feather and is not named as such either. | |||
#{{User|Yoshi the SSM}} Per all. Also see "Do nothing" option. | |||
#{{User|FanOfYoshi}} Per all. It is separate from the Cape Feather, as well. | #{{User|FanOfYoshi}} Per all. It is separate from the Cape Feather, as well. | ||
#{{User|Power Flotzo}} Per all. | #{{User|Power Flotzo}} Per all. | ||
#{{User|1337star}} I'm also fine with this option | #{{User|1337star}} I'm also fine with this option. | ||
===Move the info on Wings to Cape Feather=== | ===Move the info on Wings to Cape Feather=== | ||
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#{{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} Per my thoughts in the above section. | #{{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} Per my thoughts in the above section. | ||
#{{User|Ray Trace}} I like this option the most, since it looks like a cape feather and I think it could easily redirect to this section. | #{{User|Ray Trace}} I like this option the most, since it looks like a cape feather and I think it could easily redirect to this section. | ||
===Do nothing=== | ===Do nothing=== | ||
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#{{User|ChompworksEngineer}} Per Yoshi the SMM and Alex95. It seems unnecessary to split it when the Wings item is the same thing as the Wing Cap except for design. | #{{User|ChompworksEngineer}} Per Yoshi the SMM and Alex95. It seems unnecessary to split it when the Wings item is the same thing as the Wing Cap except for design. | ||
#{{user|TheDarkStar}} - per all | #{{user|TheDarkStar}} - per all | ||
===Comments=== | ===Comments=== | ||
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:Interesting - I was under the impression that it was initially an entirely different subject before explicitly being changed into a Flame Chomp for the remake. Assuming we can't find a source for that it might be better to merge it with Flame Chomp outright. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 12:51, October 11, 2020 (EDT) | :Interesting - I was under the impression that it was initially an entirely different subject before explicitly being changed into a Flame Chomp for the remake. Assuming we can't find a source for that it might be better to merge it with Flame Chomp outright. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 12:51, October 11, 2020 (EDT) | ||
::My thoughts exactly. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 13:49, October 11, 2020 (EDT) | ::My thoughts exactly. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 13:49, October 11, 2020 (EDT) | ||
FWIW, some people seem to be treating Wings as a manual-only name, but it appears in-game as well. When first getting Wings as Mario, the tutorial text that pops up starts with "With Wings on his cap, Mario can take to the skies!" -- [[User:1337star|1337star]] <sup>([[User talk:1337star|Mailbox SP]])</sup> 17:09, October 12, 2020 (EDT) | FWIW, some people seem to be treating Wings as a manual-only name, but it appears in-game as well. When first getting Wings as Mario, the tutorial text that pops up starts with "With Wings on his cap, Mario can take to the skies!" -- [[User:1337star|1337star]] <sup>([[User talk:1337star|Mailbox SP]])</sup> 17:09, October 12, 2020 (EDT) | ||
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::::::I don't see why the Wings only coming out of a block when Mario hits it makes it warrant a separate article - it's a simple case of a useless item not coming out of a block and instead being replaced with something that can actually be used. Also, you say it could have easily been a Wing Cap, but I completely disagree since it exists in multiplayer. It would have been awkward for Luigi, Wario, or Yoshi to collect an item that is clearly specifically designed for Mario. There's no way around that since there's no way for the game to know which character is going to pick it up. At this point I'm convinced that the Wings were merely a design choice to make it neutral for all characters who can collect it. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 16:45, October 13, 2020 (EDT) | ::::::I don't see why the Wings only coming out of a block when Mario hits it makes it warrant a separate article - it's a simple case of a useless item not coming out of a block and instead being replaced with something that can actually be used. Also, you say it could have easily been a Wing Cap, but I completely disagree since it exists in multiplayer. It would have been awkward for Luigi, Wario, or Yoshi to collect an item that is clearly specifically designed for Mario. There's no way around that since there's no way for the game to know which character is going to pick it up. At this point I'm convinced that the Wings were merely a design choice to make it neutral for all characters who can collect it. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 16:45, October 13, 2020 (EDT) | ||
:::::::Then why would, instead of using wings as a power up (which had [[Wing (Super Mario Bros. Special)|been]] [[P-Wing|done]] [[Yoshi's Wings|before]]), they use a feather that acts suspiciously like the feathers in SMW from its own behavior to the power it grants only having functional differences in places where it is more or less difficult to implement in 3D (ie "flapping doodads on head" is easier to render in limited 3D than [https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NoFlowInCGI a moving cape], the earthquake thing wouldn't work for SM64's gameplay at all, the cape attack would be basically redundant with him already having physical attacks, while both forms have the "downward momentum for flight" mechanic)? I think a generically-named replacement <small>(Wings)</small> for an item <small>(Wing Cap)</small> that grants a form <small>(Wing Mario)</small> suspiciously similar in function to a form <small>(Cape Mario)</small> caused by an item <small>(Cape Feather)</small> essentially identical to said replacement <small>(Wings)</small> means that either the item from the other game <small>(Cape Feather)</small> should be merged with the replacement <small>(Wings)</small> or all three separate, but not keep the replacement <small>(Wings)</small> merged to the origin counterpart <small>(Wing Cap)</small> that the ''item itself'' is nothing like at all. (On a related note, we haven't merged Invincishroom from MLSS with "Invincibility Mushroom"/Poison Mushroom from MLSSBM, which granted is more of a plot item than an actual "power-up." I know MLBISBJJ had some item changes too, something about cheese I think?) [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 17:50, October 13, 2020 (EDT) | :::::::Then why would, instead of using wings as a power up (which had [[Wing (Super Mario Bros. Special)|been]] [[P-Wing|done]] [[Yoshi's Wings|before]]), they use a feather that acts suspiciously like the feathers in SMW from its own behavior to the power it grants only having functional differences in places where it is more or less difficult to implement in 3D (ie "flapping doodads on head" is easier to render in limited 3D than [https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NoFlowInCGI a moving cape], the earthquake thing wouldn't work for SM64's gameplay at all, the cape attack would be basically redundant with him already having physical attacks, while both forms have the "downward momentum for flight" mechanic)? I think a generically-named replacement <small>(Wings)</small> for an item <small>(Wing Cap)</small> that grants a form <small>(Wing Mario)</small> suspiciously similar in function to a form <small>(Cape Mario)</small> caused by an item <small>(Cape Feather)</small> essentially identical to said replacement <small>(Wings)</small> means that either the item from the other game <small>(Cape Feather)</small> should be merged with the replacement <small>(Wings)</small> or all three separate, but not keep the replacement <small>(Wings)</small> merged to the origin counterpart <small>(Wing Cap)</small> that the ''item itself'' is nothing like at all. (On a related note, we haven't merged Invincishroom from MLSS with "Invincibility Mushroom"/Poison Mushroom from MLSSBM, which granted is more of a plot item than an actual "power-up." I know MLBISBJJ had some item changes too, something about cheese I think?) [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 17:50, October 13, 2020 (EDT) | ||