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| How is this a stub? Stubs are not short articles, they are articles with missing info. This article has all of the available info. {{User:DKPetey99/sig}} 14:09, 7 June 2011 (EDT)
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| :Just remove it if you see it {{User:Coincollector/sig}}
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| ::It's a stub because not everyone knows about the [[Wii U]] completely.
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| == Gamecube Compatability ==
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| It doesn't seem to have it. I'm going to miss it. Will everyone forget about the gamecube? Even the PS3 has PS1 compatability (I think).
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| :I don't see any holes.{{unsigned|Cwjakesteel}}
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| :The Wii U does not support the GameCube. --[[User:Mechawave|Mechawave]] 07:16, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
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| It is speculated that you may be able to download Gamecube games to the Wii U, however will the gamecube controllers be at least compatible? {{unsigned|Gamerlad2}}
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| The Wii U won't be compatible with Gamecube controllers because the buttons are on the contoller/console itself. {{User:Chris Helper/sig}}
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| Will there be Super Mario Sunshine to download? And if you download it, is that in Nintendo Points then? Or is that in a valuta like the 3DS? --{{ User:MarioMan51/sig}} 16:26, 19 July 2012 (EDT)
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| In fact the information in the discussion and on the Wii U page itself is inaccurate. The Wii U is completely capable of playing GameCube titles, but it requires the use of homebrew software, in this case Nintendont. You can then play any titles and also use the Wii Classic Controller and the Wii U Pro Controller, and of course GameCube pads with the Wii U USB adapter for them - yes you can mix and match the controller types. Games are upscaled to 1080p with flicker fixing option available. As with the Wii, it's pretty much full hardware emulation due to shared architecture so everything is about as perfect as you're going to get. I haven't updated the main page as a lot of places don't appreciate homebrew software mentions. {{user|188.39.147.178}} 11.27, 5 July 2016
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| ==Discs==
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| Will the normal Wii discs work? This was kind of a stupid question to ask but does it work on this?{{User:YoshiGo99/sig}}
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| :I do not know ^^; {{User:Birdo beauties/sig}}
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| :The [[Wii U]] supports everything about the [[Wii]], including the discs. --[[User:Mechawave|Mechawave]] 07:17, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
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| ==Chase Mii==
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| [http://e3.nintendo.com/presentation/] 56th minute:
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| Toads? For the Wii U? {{User:SWFlash/Sig}}
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| Actually,their miis in toad costumes {{User|yoshiyoshiyoshi}}
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| I've [http://e3.nintendo.com/_ui/swf/player.swf?url=mp4:HW_demo.mp4&title=Wii%20U%20Demonstration&autoplay=true&loop=false&omniture=live&debug=false found a video] that shows the gameplay of the ''Chase Mii'' game. Can we create an article for it? {{User:SWFlash/Sig}}
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| :@SWflash: Not really. If is not a ''Mario'' game, we cannot create an article for this. {{User:Coincollector/sig}}
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| ::There is also some sort of... Mario costume. We should make an article indeed, or add something at the references. --{{User:Mario Fan 123/sig}} 11:11, 22 June 2011 (EDT)
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| == Buttons ==
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| Where on the Controller is the C Button located? All Nintendo controllers will have a C Button you know. Also, This could get released late this year in Japan and New super Mario bros. Mii Could be a launch game. --[[User talk:Super Mario 510|Super Mario 510]] 21:24, June 12, 2011 (UTC)
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| :The only controller that have C buttons is N64 controller. Where do you see C buttons on GCN controller? It has C Stick instead. Where do you see C buttons/sticks on Wii controllers? It doesn't have them. Also, why R Stick won't be a C Stick for you? {{User:SWFlash/Sig}}
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| ::Actually, the nunchuck has a C button :/ {{User:Mariomario64/Sig}} 10:04, 12 June 2011 (EDT)
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| Having read the entire paragraph on the new controller's layout, I must ask... Is it necessary to describe the thing in such detail when there are pictures readily available on the page? [[User:Twentydragon|Twentydragon]] 01:35, 27 August 2011 (EDT)
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| Is there any word on the microphone yet? Any games that mention its use? {{User|Why Bother}}
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| :I know you probably wrote this ages ago, but a microphone will be present. No developers has mentioned its use explicitly in their products, but there is a good chance that all games will utilize it somehow. [[NSMBU]] will most probably use it seeing as [[NSMBW]] did, but nothing is confirmed. {{User:JORDAN DEBONO/sig}} 02:50, 31 August 2012 (EDT)
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| == Main Mario game in the works? ==
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| According to [http://wii.ign.com/articles/118/1180266p1.html this] IGN artcile, a new Main Mario game is in the works, yet how it will work is not mentioned, should we do something about this?
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| '''--[[User:Byllant|Byllant]] 23:09, 8 November 2011 (EST)'''
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| :No. No information is offered about the game, only that one is planned. {{User:Mario4Ever/sig}}
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| ::No? and what about this line "''[Yoshiaki Koizumi] confirmed that the next big Mario game is '''already''' in the works.''", this is not so different to the ''Super Smash Bros.'' game, whose development has not begun yet, it is exactly the same case. '''--[[User:Byllant|Byllant]] 15:01, 12 November 2011 (EST)'''
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| :::It's not the same case. At least with SSB, we have a tentative title. With this, we have nothing (at best, we could say "an unnamed ''Mario'' game," but that's not the slightest bit useful). {{User:Mario4Ever/sig}}
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| ::::Actually, there's no tentative name with both games, Nintendo just said "...to made Smash Bros. for both, N3DS and Wii U", where's the tentative title? it's the same to say ''Super Smash Bros.'' and ''Unnamed Mario title'' than ''Untitle super smash Bros. sequel'' (as that's the title for Wikipedia) and ''Mario (Wii U)'', but I crearly understande the idea, I want this to finish, so we've better wait for a more official announcement. '''--[[User:Byllant|Byllant]] 15:35, 12 November 2011 (EST)'''
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| On some websites it was rumored that the next SSB will be called Super Smash Bros. Universe. I think its worth mentioning although its already been deleted when I added it. Does anyone agree this should be placed in the article. Here's one website with the rumour.[http://www.tgdaily.com/games-and-entertainment-brief/58593-wii-u-game-super-smash-bros-universe-leaked]
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| : [[User:JORDANDEBONO|JORDANDEBONO]] 04:30, 24 December 2011 (EST)
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| Yes I think we should. Does my opinion count.
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| : [[User:The Bagaloo|The Bagaloo]] 10:10, 25 December 2011 (EST)
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| ::Just seen SmashWiki and they said it's fake ---> [[smashwiki:Super Smash Bros. 4|Super Smash Bros. 4]]
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| :: {{User:JORDAN DEBONO/sig}} 15:18, 8 April 2012 (EDT)
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| ==Release Date Found==
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| I've been searching the internet and I found out that the Wii U will be released soemwhere around June and December this year. {{User:Chris Helper/sig}}
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| :Could you please link us to the source so we can tell if it is legitimate or not? {{User:Bop1996/sig}}
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| ::They've been talking about the Wii U's release date here at [http://wiiugo.com/release-date/] {{User:Chris Helper/sig}}
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| ==The Wii U has Release Date in America==
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| I found in a page of a game shop in Mexico, the relaese date for the Wii U in America= December 25, 2012. That's fantastic! And you can apart it now! I gonna apart it now :)
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| : [[User:SuperMario_3DLand|SuperMario_3DLand|]] 20:35, 2 April 2012 (EST)
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| :I think we should wait until Nintendo confirms this. {{User:Akfamilyhome/sig}} 04:44, 4 April 2012 (EDT)
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| They have confirmed a release date, but the price of the system is not going to be revealed. {{User:Chris Helper/sig}}
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| ==Should a page be made for Mario Wii U?==
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| We have screenshots now, and that was good enough for Super Mario 3D Land. And the images should go somewhere at least. {{User|Mariofanatic64}}
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| :And where are the screenshots? {{User:YoshiDaisyfan9/sig}}
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| ::We shouldn't create nothing unless an official name has been revealed. Said pictures can stay around the wiki for a while. {{User:Coincollector/sig}}
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| :::What about the [[Paper Mario 3DS]]? Didn't they say that was a tentative title too? If there is a page on that, there should be for this, same with [[Super Mario 3D Land]], before the whole title was released, there was an article on it entitled Super Mario 3DS, and again [[Mario Kart 7]] was Mario Kart 3DS. Why should this one be any different? {{User|iruni181}}
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| == Nintendo Land ==
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| Should this wiki cover Nintendo Land? It covers Mario elements and it is yet to be mentioned in this article.
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| == Virtual Console ==
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| [http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2012/06/e3_2012_transfer_wii_save_data_and_shop_purchases_to_wii_u]
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| It says that all of your Wii's save data and shop downloads including VC games can be transfered to the Wii U. Does this mean that older VC games will be downloadable to the Wii U or you'd have to download them to the Wii then transfer them? {{User:SKmarioman/sig}}
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| :All that article is saying is that Nintendo is working on a way for people to transfer their existing save data and downloads to the Wii U from the Wii (e.g. everything they've already played/bought). It doesn't say anything about older VC games being downloadable directly from the Wii U. {{User:Mario4Ever/sig}}
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| ==1 Octobor 2012 in Belgium==
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| I was going to the store and asked, when will come the Wii U. He said it will come on 1 October 2012. This is the Wii U launch date for Belgium.
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| I don't know if it's for whole Europe. If you want to see the source, you need to know dutch. The source[http://www.eplaza.com/wii-u]. --{{ User:MarioMan51/sig}} 11:46, 13 July 2012 (EDT)
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| ...and I believe it will official-officially be announced sometime in the next 15 days with the meeting being on Sept. 13. {{User:Baja/Sig}} 19:33, 30 August 2012 (EDT)
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| :As Baja said, we should wait for an ''official'' release date. If they don't mention Belgium or something, then we can add this then. {{User:JORDAN DEBONO/sig}} 02:13, 31 August 2012 (EDT)
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| In the Miiverse section, it refers to the Miiverse being the main screen. Shouldn't this be moved higher up? {{User:Baja/Sig}} 19:34, 30 August 2012 (EDT)
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| :Well since a more detailed description for Miiverse is written below, there's no need to move it higher ''however'' a mention of it should present. Feel free to add some info, but don't cut and paste from the original paragraph under the heading Software. {{User:JORDAN DEBONO/sig}} 02:53, 31 August 2012 (EDT)
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| Once more detailed info about Miiverse is revealed should an article be made for it. It is quite an important thing so I personally think one should be made for it. {{User:JORDAN DEBONO/sig}} 09:06, 31 August 2012 (EDT)
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| ==Wii U price in dollar==
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| Read this on gameinformer.com. http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2012/09/06/rumor-wii-u-release-date-and-price-leaked-by-distributor.aspx
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| There are probably more sorts, like the PS Vita Wifi and PS Vita Wifi 3G. Reply! {{ User:MarioMan51/sig}}
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| :Can't we just wait another 5 days for the conference to reveal ''official'' info from '''Nintendo'''. It's not a long time. {{User:JORDAN DEBONO/sig}} 19:34, 9 September 2012 (EDT)
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| The current blue picture, while most probably the most up to date one, doesn't look all that nice. Why don't we use the previous white one? Or at least a picture of the Wii U in its box. That would look much better. {{User:JORDAN DEBONO/sig}} 05:12, 30 September 2012 (EDT)
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| == About the Wii U Gamepad... ==
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| Will the actual gamepad have a cord like the ones shown at the Nintendo Conference on September 30, 2012? {{User:Chris Helper/sig}}
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| : No it won't; completely ''portable''. The chord's to keep people from stealing it. {{User:JORDAN DEBONO/sig}} 15:08, 3 October 2012 (EDT)
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| {{User:Electrical Bowser jr./sig}}
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| :Not much has been revealed about the Wii U's processor so it's unknown, though it's probably either 32-bits or 64-bits. Note that "Bits" as a measure of console power has been completely meaningless since the Dreamcast and that mainstream "256 bits" (as some might think exist based on the 8/16/32/128 bits leaps) CPUs-and thus consoles- don't exist. --[[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]] ([[User talk:Glowsquid|talk]]) 12:59, 6 October 2012 (EDT)
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| It is HD that is why. If it wasn't HD they would be like NSMBW models.{{User:YoshiGo99/sig}}
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| Should this be added to the article ? http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/10/16/snes-inspired-wii-u-gamepad-coming {{User:JORDAN DEBONO/sig}} 12:14, 16 October 2012 (EDT)
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| == The marketing slogan for the Wii U ==
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| The mostly box arts from wii u games are blue. BUT!!! There are some boxarts and they look like a turquoise color. What's the diffrence? {{ User:MarioMan51/sig}} 11:46, 7 December 2012 (EST)
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| ==Latin América and Brazil Release Dates==
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| The Wii U was released in Latin America and Brazil on November 30, 2012 like Europe and Australia. I don't know if I have to put the flags and the release
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| Isn't this Yarn Yoshi? And why has it been redirected to Yoshi's Island DS? {{User|Yoshi876}}
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| ==Next Generation Of Nintendo Consoles?==
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| I wonder how long it will be until Nintendo decides to start making a new gaming system [or if they will]?
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| ==Discontinue==
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| Did anyone know Nintendo might discontinue the Wii U this year? {{User:Epic Rosalina/sig}} 13:43, 10 March 2014 (EDT)
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| :Probably not yet. Nintendo is sure pulling life support though, with virtually no more games barring Breath of the Wild, no more updates (wheras 3DS got an update recently) and how they published sales figures for the top selling games. Still, I wouldn't exactly call it discontinued yet. {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 15:49, 6 November 2016 (EST)
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| ::It is confirmed from Nintendo, but no known date. {{User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager/sig}} 18:29, 10 November 2016 (EST)
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| I'm not 100% sure about the source on the discontinued date being 1/31/17. They didn't stop production globally at the same time, they are saying that as of that moment, no one was manufacturing anymore systems, meaning in some country, likely japan, they were the last ones to stop production, giving the results of ''"ended globally"''.
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| *In Brazil, the correct date seems to be all the way back on January 1st, '''2015'''.[https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fjogos.uol.com.br%2Fultimas-noticias%2F2015%2F01%2F09%2Fnintendo-encerra-operacoes-no-brasil.htm&edit-text=&act=url]
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| *In Europe, the correct date is likely October 1st, 2016.[https://mynintendonews.com/2016/09/23/europe-retailers-will-no-longer-be-able-to-order-wii-u-consoles-after-october-1st/]
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| *In North America (and maybe Canada), the correct date is likely November 10th, 2016.[http://kotaku.com/nintendo-announces-wii-u-production-is-ending-1788802568?utm_campaign=Socialflow_Kotaku_Twitter&utm_source=Kotaku_Twitter&utm_medium=Socialflow]
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| *In Australia, the correct date might be not long after November 14th, 2016.[http://nintendotoday.com/new-wii-u-bundle-released-in-australia/]
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| ::Good point.--{{User:Eldritchdraaks/sig}} 19:49, 3 February 2017 (EST)
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| :::It could've been killed off early in South Africa since it apparently only sold 2000 systems by 2013.--{{User:Eldritchdraaks/sig}} 19:51, 3 February 2017 (EST)
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| :::Nintendo stopped operations in Brazil on January 9 2015 according to Wikipedia page: https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo#Cancelamento_da_distribui.C3.A7.C3.A3o_no_Brasil
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| ::::I removed the Brazilian, Mexican, and South African discontinuation dates. Please see the edits page. [[User:Gold Luigi|Gold Luigi]] ([[User talk:Gold Luigi|talk]]) 18:52, 16 March 2017 (EDT)
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| Should we note launch titles or not for the Wii U? In other words, should we write next to ''[[New Super Mario Bros. U]]'' in the ''Mario''-related games section that it's a launch title? Note that this could apply to all other consoles. [[File:Luigi Emblem Winter Games.jpg|80px|link=User:Skuchi037]] 18:31, 13 July 2017 (EDT)
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| :It already makes a mention of that on the game page itself (and on ''[[Luigi's Mansion]]'' and ''[[Super Mario 64]]'', in case you're wondering), so I don't think it needs to be noted here. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 18:36, 13 July 2017 (EDT)
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| :There's one part with similar notes, but again, they're not the same song. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 22:06, 3 April 2018 (EDT)
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| :I personally feel it's too strong/opinionated a term to use. Also, I've locked the article for the time being due to the aforementioned edit war. --{{User:KPH2293/sig}} 21:49, December 16, 2020 (EST)
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| ::That's why I was against using that term too, it felt subjective here. {{User:Keyblade Master/sig}}
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| :::It was pointed out to me by a fellow administrator that in an interview, Reggie Fils-Aimé was asked if the Wii U was a "necessary failure", and he reluctantly agreed. Perhaps that interview could be quoted in the article or something like that. Otherwise, I agree that it's best not to use the term "commercial failure". --{{User:KPH2293/sig}} 21:59, December 16, 2020 (EST)
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| ::::Imo, you shouldn't fully protect the page, but just semi-protect it so other non-admin-autoconfirmed-users can edit it. {{User:DarkNight/sig}} 22:27, December 16, 2020 (EST)
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| :::::Considering the popularity Splatoon, Super Mario Maker, and Hyrule Warriors had, I still think "failure" is too strong a word. It didn't dazzle the way they historically had, but it still sold well and had many widely played games. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 22:30, December 16, 2020 (EST)
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| ::::::There's... not really anything saying against it being a commercial failure, though. Sales were terrible. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 22:32, December 16, 2020 (EST)
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| :::::::Fair point about the protection. Alex has done as you requested, and I will not contest that decision. --{{User:KPH2293/sig}} 22:33, December 16, 2020 (EST)
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| ::::::::Didn't see Doc's comment when I made mine. The games sold well for the system itself, but even the best selling title, ''Mario Kart 8'', sold just over 8 million copies. Compared to other systems, that is pretty low. ''Mario Kart 8 Deluxe'' is more than three times that currently. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 22:37, December 16, 2020 (EST)
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| :::::::::In response to Doc, that also applies to a lot of systems like the Sega Saturn and Dreamcast. But they still sold 9-10 million units and are still considered failures. The Wii U throughout its entire life still sold at the pace of a Sega Saturn, so it didn't really do well in its life at all.--[[Special:Contributions/72.143.194.137|72.143.194.137]] 18:06, December 18, 2020 (EST)
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| By any objective measure, the Wii U was a commercial failure: it repeatedly fell short of Nintendo's forecasts by a large margin (even after said forecasts were slashed multiple times) as well as [https://fortune.com/2016/07/08/nintendo-wii-u-sales/#:~:text=Speaking%20to%20investors%20at%20a,90%20million%20units%20to%20date. one exec's expectation of 100 million units lifetime]. Its performance lead to some of Nintendo's [https://www.theverge.com/2014/5/7/5689878/nintendo-earnings-fy-2013 biggest anual losses] in its history. Besides [https://time.com/4635415/nintendo-switch-online-reggie-fils-amie/ the interview mentioned above], Reggie directly called it "[https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2019/10/reggie_calls_wii_u_a_failure_forward_because_it_led_to_switch a failure forward]" in an university lecture. --[[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]] ([[User talk:Glowsquid|talk]]) 22:59, December 16, 2020 (EST)
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| :I absolutely agree. The Wii U selling 13.56 million and the PS Vita selling close to 15 million units is still considered a commercial failure. The Sega Saturn and Sega Dreamcast selling 9 to 10 million units is considered a commercial failure.--[[Special:Contributions/72.143.194.137|72.143.194.137]] 18:06, December 18, 2020 (EST)
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