Editing Talk:Wiggler

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== Organization ==

Is it just me, or is this article highly unorganized? {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig}} 11:34, 6 February 2009 (EST)

Well it is a bit, but nothing that will take long to fix. --[[Image:Mario PartnersinTime.png|20px]]{{User|Mario3v}}[[Image:Mario PartnersinTime.png|20px]] 11:40, 6 February 2009 (EST)

Actually, as far as sections go, this article is in line with the [[MarioWiki:Manual of Style#History|new article organization standard]].  Everything in the History section is listed by, first, major series, and then by games in the series or episodes, all according to release date.  Remember, seperating "other media" into other sections is considered speculative and POV, so all appearances are arranged according to series and release date, just like the [[Mama Mario]] article. -- {{User|Son of Suns}}
:I see. Well, in that case, the SMRPG section should be under the "Super Mario series" section, correct? {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig}} 12:19, 6 February 2009 (EST)

::I always considered Super Mario RPG to be an "independent" title, as it does not follow the same gameplay mechanics as Super Mario Bros. and its adapted form in Super Mario 64.  Basically, the Super Mario section is for platformers that emerged out of Super Mario Bros.  Series are a combination of naming and gameplay, and Super Mario RPG clearly does not fit into the platforming gameplay of other "Super Mario" games.  Does that make sense? -- {{User|Son of Suns}}

::Uh oh.  I think I lost the SMW2 section, creating some confusion.  I'll have to add it back in. -- {{User|Son of Suns}}

::Nevermind.  There was no SMW2 section, so I moved the Super Mario RPG section before Yoshi's Story, as it should be. -- {{User|Son of Suns}}
:::Alright, I understand that perfectly. It was just that SMRPG has "Super Mario" in its title, so I figured that it belonged in that section. I can understand why it wouldn't though. Thanks for clearing things up. =) {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig}} 12:28, 6 February 2009 (EST)

::::Yeah.  Do you think we should make a [[Super Mario (series)]] page?  (The Mario (series) page would then, like it does now, cover all forms of the Mario franchise.)  I would consider the main series to be Super Mario Bros., both versions of 2, Super Mario Bros. 3, Super Mario World, Super Mario 64 (DS), Super Mario Sunshine, and Super Mario Galaxy.  This is somewhat based on the images FLUDD flashes at the beginning of Super Mario Sunshine, showing a link from SMB to SMW to SM64 to SMS, establishing all four are in the same continuity, and by extension that would include all the "Bros." games, and Super Mario Galaxy (as it acts like a sequel to 64 and Sunshine).  Super Mario World 2 would also be included, but note that this game also acts as a "formal" beginning to the Yoshi series.  What do you think? -- {{User|Son of Suns}} P.S. Mario Bros. would be considered an "ancestor" to the series, but also its own independent title, as the gameplay is radically different.
:::::I would see no problem with making a page for those titles. But going by that theory, we would have to create a '''Super Mario Bros. (series)''' page, which would cover SMB, SMB:TLL, SMB2, SMB3, SMBDX, and NSMB. Technically the ''Super Mario'' series would be a sub-series of the ''Mario'' series; but in the same aspect, the ''Super Mario '''Bros.''''' series, would be a sub-series of the ''Super Mario'' series. And in that same light, we may want to consider making such pages as ''Super Mario World (series)'' and ''Super Mario Land (series)'', as they would be technical sub-series of the ''Super Mario'' series as well. {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig}} 12:46, 6 February 2009 (EST)

::::::Yeah that would all be fine. -- {{User|Son of Suns}}

== Trivia ==

I don't think the Weedle trivia section is easy to understand, I didn't. Do any of you support me? {{User:Supermariofan14/sig}}
:Weedle and Wiggler don't share many similarities, so I suggest removing the piece of trivia. {{User:Reversinator/sig}}

::They do have some minor similarities, but it's a coincidence. Should I take it out? {{User:Supermariofan14/sig}}

== Split Sunshine Wiggler ==

The Wiggler from ''Super Mario Sunshine'' should have its own article in my opinion. It is given an individual name in original Japanese and also has unique traits. It is the only major ''Sunshine'' boss who is simply named like its species in English. If it was also given a different name in English, I bet it would have had a separate article from the start. --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 13:11, 27 January 2010 (EST)

:Different name in English? {{User:Supermariofan14/sig}}
::He said IF it had a different name in english. {{User:Reversinator/sig}}
:::The original intention of the developers counts as much as or even more than the English translation in my opinion. --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 09:48, 19 February 2010 (EST)

[[Boss Wiggler]] is here. {{User:Reversinator/sig}}

==Male Wiggler==
The wiggler in MPDS is a boy. It says in the desription for Wiggler's watering can:''Everyone's told '''him''' to get a new one, but Wiigler plans to stick with this one a while longer.''[[User:Mario Bros.!|Mario Bros.!]]

==Wiggler's symbol==

In Mario Power Tennis, Wiggler's symbol appears to be a flower, whereas, in Mario Kart 7, it represents her head. Should we mention it in the trivia ? [[User:Fire-Luigi|Fire-Luigi]] 19:19, 26 November 2011 (EST)

No, it's not that important to be in the trivia. After all, he hadn't even officially established the flower as his emblem yet. And also, this Wiggler is a he, as stated on the Official North American Website: "Big, yellow, and wiggly, this creature worms his way around the track." [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] 19:35, 26 November 2011 (EST)

== CPU Wiggler ==

I saw that Wiggler didn't turn red when he was CPU-controlled, when I hit him with a red shell. Should that be mentioned somewhere like in the trivia? -[[User:'Shroom64|'Shroom64: The Mushroomeditor]]
:Not done. Please cite secondary reliable sources to support your claim. --{{User:B.wilson/sig}} 20:14, 3 February 2012 (EST)

But what? No source I found would mention Wiggler not turning red or something unless it was a glitch, most likely. (Not every site is a wiki!) And this happens with youtube, because if not a glitch, not shown. And I'm not a Youtuber... It DID happen, I just need proof... -[[User:'Shroom64|'Shroom64: The Mushroomeditor]]

WAAAIIIIIT. My source doesn't have to be anything. All I'll say is '''Play the game and see for your self!!''' [[User:'Shroom64|-
'Shroom64: The Mushroomeditor]]

==Super Mario Galaxy and 2== 
You can actually perform a direct ground-pound on them to obtain Star Bits, and spin to flip them over. Also, in the first game, the segment you jump on will be flattened, and the Wiggler will explode. In the second game, no matter what segment you jump on, the entire body flattens before exploding. Also, when you use a Rainbow Star, the wiggler flies apart, similar to the SMS Wiggler in the Mirror Madness! Tilt, Slam, Bam! mission of Gelato Beach. {{User: 8BrickMario}} {{unsigned|1870163}}

== SMG and SMG2 Artwork ==

I have realized that the Artwork for Wiggler from Super Mario Galaxy is the same as the one from Super Mario Galaxy 2 but it is missing a leg because it was cropped from the trading card. See here to see the similarity, Galaxy is one the left and Galaxy 2 is on the right.
[[File:SMG2 Wiggler Artwork.png|120px]][[File:SMG2 Wiggler Artwork.png|130px]]
So should we delete one of them and instead use the artwork from Galaxy 2? Would this also mean since the (more official) Wiggler artwork is on Super Mario Galaxy 2's gallery, should we move it to the first game's gallery? {{User:YoshiGo99/sig}} 22:55, 4 March 2014 (EST)

== Super Mario Galaxy screenshot ==

Would it be better to have an image of a Wiggler in the actual game, as opposed to the pre-release screenshot we have for the section as of now? {{User:Yosh Strider/sig}} 14:01, 10 April 2016 (EDT)
:Do we have one to use? If so, we probably should, yes. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 14:31, 10 April 2016 (EDT)

== Mario & Luigi: Dream Team ==

We need to add the boss stats for this game for the Wiggler in [[Wakeport]]. {{unsigned|Wiggler}}
:This Wiggler have his own page. See [[Wiggly|here]].--{{User:LudwigVon/sig}}  13:12, 12 April 2016 (EDT)

== Moving section from original talk page. ==

Is there any reason why this article isn't merged with [[Wiggler]]? {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 19:32, 29 May 2016 (EDT)
:This may be due to the existence of [[Wiggler (Mario & Luigi: Dream Team)]] and that most Wiggler boss that appear in the ''Mario & Luigi'' series all have their own page, but this one (from Dream Team) should also be merge with [[Wiggler]].--{{User:LudwigVon/sig}}  19:52, 29 May 2016 (EDT)
::I agree with that. I'm too lazy to make a TPP right now so uhh {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 19:54, 29 May 2016 (EDT)
:::I think that both Wiggler pages and any similar page should be merged with [[Wiggler]]. If the Wiggler page is like trying to merge [[Bowser X]] and [[Dark Bowser]] with Bowser, then no merge. --{{User:Wildgoosespeeder/sig}} 20:31, 29 May 2016 (EDT)
::::While I'd probably agree with merging it, does this Wiggler (and any other Wiggler appearing in the most recent Mario RPGs) stand out as a character on his own. He displays a unique personality, he does quote his own name in Dream Team (Wiggly if I'm correct), he provides specific help to the Mario Bros. (and the Mario & Luigi ones are both fought in battles, adding to a more unique feature to these recurring Wiggler characters). If anything, I think he fits in with the reasoning why all the Mario Party Advance characters have articles. However, it is also arguable if ''all'' these Wigglers should get this treatment, as there have been [[Wiggler (Paper Mario: Sticker Star)|three]] [[Wiggler (Mario & Luigi: Dream Team)|different]] [[Wiggler (Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam)|Wiggler]] characters recently who all seem similar, but is it really necessary to list them all differently. I do feel it would be easier to list them all off in the standard Wiggler article. {{User:Tails777/sig}}
:::::If characters having different personalities is the case, then why haven't we split the Mario Super Sluggers incarnations of the characters yet or the Mario Kart version of the Lakitu? I believe we can fit all the Wiggler information in one article convieniently, and it's incredibly inconsistent that only Wiggler gets a split, and these Wigglers don't even have their own names. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 23:51, 29 May 2016 (EDT)
::::::(since I seem to be the leading expert on Mario Party Advance) The characters from MPA have articles for numerous reasons, such as their distinct roles, unique personalities, and different involvement in quests, but by far the biggest reason is that it would be inconsistent to give an article to, say, [[Hulu]], and not to, say, [[Shy Guy (character)|Shy Guy]], or to [[Coach (Mario Party Advance)|Coach]] and not to [[Cheep Cheep (character)|Cheep Cheep]]. Just about every character in the game gets the same amount of screentime, and nearly every character has a quest tied specifically to them, so restricting articles solely to the characters with slightly more unique names seems perplexing. With that in mind, it seems like Wiggler is in a rather unique position, being (as far as I can tell) the only character(s) who is basically a generic member of the species with a voice. It may have a unique story relevance and a unique personality, but I don't think there's enough of a precedence to warrant splitting each and every Wiggler into separate articles. If there are any generic characters who are currently being described in their species article, then that's even more of a knock against the Wigglers. If you want to argue for separate Wigglers, you'll also need to argue for the rest as well, unless you want to say that all of the Wigglers are somehow more worthy of individual articles than the rest. {{User:Time Turner/sig}}
:::::::I might do a proposal about the whole Wiggler merge thing and we'll discuss this then though for now let's just leave it as it is. {{User:Fawful's Minion/sig}} 06:10, 21 June 2016 (EDT)
::::::::@Baby Luigi the Dream Team Wiggler did, it's name was [[Wiggler (Mario & Luigi: Dream Team)|Wiggly]] though this is unofficial and was only seen on one site. {{User:Fawful's Minion/sig}} 06:19, 21 June 2016 (EDT)

== The authenticity of Wiggler's explanation ==

: Although it’s a description of Wiggler, it isn’t the first version, but it’s described in the latest version.  From this, it’s likely that it was added along the way. The English version couldn’t be confirmed.—[[Special:Contributions/36.11.225.19|36.11.225.19]] 17:21, September 10, 2019 (EDT)

:: There’re books with more detailed descriptions, so I’ll present them as well.  It’s a book called "Mario's Character Assembly picture book" Released in Japan.  There is a description of Wiggler on page 64 of this.  To quote from it, 「ハナチャンが敵として登場するときはクッパやカメックに洗脳されていて、普段の彼らはマリオやヨッシーとも仲がいいらしい」("When Wiggler appears as an enemy, Bowser and Kamek are brainwashed, and they usually get along well with Mario and Yoshi.")—[[Special:Contributions/36.11.224.70|36.11.224.70]] 18:04, September 10, 2019 (EDT)

:What was this first book you were referring to ("Super Mario Encyclopedia The Official guide")? Could you provide the exact Japanese name or a link to a shop listing for it? {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 00:19, September 11, 2019 (EDT)

:Also, [https://www.amazon.co.jp/マリオのキャラクター大集合図かん-ゲームひみつ図かん/dp/4047333581 that picture book only has 48 pages]. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 00:44, September 11, 2019 (EDT)

:: I'm sorry.  It is an input mistake.  46 pages. --[[Special:Contributions/36.11.225.4|36.11.225.4]] 03:32, September 11, 2019 (EDT)

:::You didn't answer the first question: What's this "Super Mario Encyclopedia The Official guide" you mentioned the first time? {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 04:05, September 11, 2019 (EDT)

::::This is a link. https://item.rakuten.co.jp/surugaya-a-too/28842437-1/#PopUp1568190352935516

::::However, the picture book has a more detailed description and can be used as a source.—[[Special:Contributions/36.11.225.70|36.11.225.70]] 04:26, September 11, 2019 (EDT)

:::::This is a ''[[Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam]]'' guide book, nothing like what you said before. If this was the book you were referencing, you would have mentioned the game's name. [[Squiggler]]s [[Special:Diff/2757117|also don't appear]] in this game. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 04:57, September 11, 2019 (EDT)

::::::It seems that the book that I thought was different from the person who edited it.—[[Special:Contributions/36.11.225.172|36.11.225.172]] 05:15, September 11, 2019 (EDT)

I have that 2018 picture book, its bio of Wiggler is actually 「ふだんはのんびり歩いているけど、ふむとおこって、い動スピードが上がるのだ。」If it’s an official bio, it doesn’t come from that book.—[[User:Mister Wu|Mister Wu]] ([[User talk:Mister Wu|talk]]) 06:22, September 11, 2019 (EDT)

:: is that true?  Maybe the book is different.  I will check it again.—[[Special:Contributions/36.11.225.172|36.11.225.172]] 09:16, September 11, 2019 (EDT)

:::::::It seems very obvious from the timing and style of your edits that you're the same person editing [[Special:Contributions/36.11.0.0/16|under different IP addresses]] [[Special:Contributions/125.12.0.0/16|within the same ranges]]. Each time you were presented a contradiction to a source, you claimed it was a mistake and provided another source. If you have any information to add, it must be accurate and ''true''. We do not tolerate lying and purposely adding false information, and there are consequences for that. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 09:26, September 11, 2019 (EDT)

: In my opinion, There are Super Mario-Kun and Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam as brainwashed works, as works that are hostile the Bowser corps or friendly to Mario there are Mario Party DS and Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story / Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story and Paper Mario: Sticker Star. So, I think that this writing is correct even if it is different from the source. —[[Special:Contributions/111.239.160.202|111.239.160.202]] 10:19, September 11, 2019 (EDT)

::When has it ever been established they were "brainwashed"? {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 02:56, September 12, 2019 (EDT)

== Pink wiggler ==

In superstar sega, wiggler seems to turn pink rather than red. should we state this? [[Special:Contributions/148.252.144.160|148.252.144.160]] 02:07, January 18, 2025 (EST)
:That's more of a matter of color palette rather than a meaningful distinction. The Wiggler is only "light red"-colored. {{User:LadySophie17/sig}} 14:34, February 25, 2025 (EST)