Editing Talk:Vanish Cap

does the vanish cap tune mario invisibel or not

:Yes, it does, but only to the enemies. The player still sees him.

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== Doesn't this cap also make an appearance in Odyssey? ==

Once the mission [[Long Journey's End]] is completed, it gives the player an Invisibility Hat. I know the naming is different, but I'm pretty the Vanish Cap is back, welcomed to Mario Odyssey. [[User:Jigglypuff|Jigglypuff]] ([[User talk:Jigglypuff|talk]]) 11:02, 11 February 2018 (EST)
:Problem is there's nothing concrete. If it changed Mario's appearance to polygonal like the other two outfits and/or if it made Mario look invisible how he did in ''SM64'', there might be something. But because it does none of those and the name is different, we can't be certain. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 11:07, 11 February 2018 (EST)
::And taking into account the fact that Mario does not even walk through barriers in ''Odyssey''. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 11:14, 11 February 2018 (EST)
:::Well, the Metal Cap doesn't actually make Mario heavier or invincible, either. {{User:Alex95/sig}} 11:15, 11 February 2018 (EST)
Replying to Toadette, I don't see a purpose of the Invisibility Hat. [[User:Jigglypuff|Jigglypuff]] ([[User talk:Jigglypuff|talk]]) 17:11, 15 February 2018 (EST)

== Vanish Cap = or ≠ Invisibility Hat? ==

Indirect necro! So there was a brief period were someone had this article treat the Vanish Cap and Invisibility Hat as equivalent recently. This was reverted, but I'd like to reconsider. Mostly on the basis that:
*A) Invisibility Hat does not have an article
*B) Invisibility Hat is cool and should have a space where it is described outside of a table.
Fits if you squint, especially on a "differences in different games are less important than differences in the same game" a basis which has merged several topics in the past. [[User:Salmancer|Salmancer]] ([[User talk:Salmancer|talk]]) 17:54, December 22, 2024 (EST)
:Or in other words, they're hats that make people invisible, separated and changed by over 20 years of evolution of game design. [[User:Salmancer|Salmancer]] ([[User talk:Salmancer|talk]]) 18:12, December 22, 2024 (EST)
::The Vanish Cap specifically doesn't make Mario invisible, the player can still plenty well see him with a noisy transparency filter, and promotional renders depict him as semitransparent. Its actual effects are that Mario can now pass through certain walls and enemies will ignore him. None of these traits are shared with the Invisibility Hat, which causes no gameplay differences and simply makes Mario entirely invisible to the player. As for the Invisibility Hat not having an article, what is there to say? Its a cosmetic item that just hides Mario's model at all times. That's explained pretty well in the confines of a table.--[[User:PopitTart|PopitTart]] ([[User talk:PopitTart|talk]]) 18:21, December 22, 2024 (EST)
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 :Or in other words, they're hats that make people invisible, separated and changed by over 20 years of evolution of game design. [[User:Salmancer|Salmancer]] ([[User talk:Salmancer|talk]]) 18:12, December 22, 2024 (EST)
 ::The Vanish Cap specifically doesn't make Mario invisible, the player can still plenty well see him with a noisy transparency filter, and promotional renders depict him as semitransparent. Its actual effects are that Mario can now pass through certain walls and enemies will ignore him. None of these traits are shared with the Invisibility Hat, which causes no gameplay differences and simply makes Mario entirely invisible to the player. As for the Invisibility Hat not having an article, what is there to say? Its a cosmetic item that just hides Mario's model at all times. That's explained pretty well in the confines of a table.--[[User:PopitTart|PopitTart]] ([[User talk:PopitTart|talk]]) 18:21, December 22, 2024 (EST)
-:::Super Mario 3D All Stars says that's not transparency, it's invisibility shown to the player as transparency. "Vanish Mario can become invisible and walk through walls, hazards, or even enemies without taking damage." Communicating that something is an invisible without a cheat is not exactly possible, and making Mario transparent was the cheat. Also a power-up that makes understanding 3D space in relation to the player harder would be rather crummy. The Invisibility Hat is not a power-up, merely an optional add on for those willing and able to challenge the game's toughest challenge, so of course it leans further into the absurdity by making Mario literally invisible.
-:::Also these hats have very similar appearances. That's a thing.
-:::Plus, Invisibility Hat has gameplay relevance: it makes NPCs confused, so most of them say "???" instead of whatever they were going to say. Which is fun. Useless, in that it doesn't make the game any easier or harder unless you still need NPC advice after beating the hardest challenge in Super Mario Odyssey, but it's fun. Fun AKA relevant to gameplay. [[User:Salmancer|Salmancer]] ([[User talk:Salmancer|talk]]) 18:59, December 22, 2024 (EST)