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==This game's exact release date==
==This game's exact release date==
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I've been wondering when this game was really released. While most sources claim it's somewhere in 1986, [http://www.everything2.com/title/Vs.+Super+Mario+Bros. this one guy] says its PCB (Printed Circuit Board) is from 1985. Meanwhile, Giant Bomb claims it was released in [http://www.giantbomb.com/vs-super-mario-bros/3030-25222/ June 14, 1986]. Take note that this is only eleven days after the release of ''The Lost Levels''. This could mean that we'd have no real way to say if this game takes levels and other stuff from ''The Lost Levels'' or vice versa, because this implies the two games were in development at the same time. [[User:SmokedChili|SmokedChili]] ([[User talk:SmokedChili|Talk]]) ([[User:SmokedChili/Thoughts Page|Thoughts]]) 11:35, 21 December 2015 (EST)
I've been wondering when this game was really released. While most sources claim it's somewhere in 1986, [http://www.everything2.com/title/Vs.+Super+Mario+Bros. this one guy] says its PCB (Printed Circuit Board) is from 1985. Meanwhile, Giant Bomb claims it was released in [http://www.giantbomb.com/vs-super-mario-bros/3030-25222/ June 14, 1986]. Take note that this is only eleven days after the release of ''The Lost Levels''. This could mean that we'd have no real way to say if this game takes levels and other stuff from ''The Lost Levels'' or vice versa, because this implies the two games were in development at the same time. [[User:SmokedChili|SmokedChili]] ([[User talk:SmokedChili|Talk]]) ([[User:SmokedChili/Thoughts Page|Thoughts]]) 11:35, 21 December 2015 (EST)
:He doesn't give the exact timeframe, but in an interview, [http://youtu.be/DNa0M1gymgA?t=3m47s Miyamoto says] Lost Levels was made due to the team's experiene in making harder levels for Vs. Super Mario Bros. so it definitely came before. --[[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]] ([[User talk:Glowsquid|talk]]) 14:17, 21 December 2015 (EST)
:He doesn't give the exact timeframe, but in an interview, [http://youtu.be/DNa0M1gymgA?t=3m47s Miyamoto says] Lost Levels was made due to the team's experiene in making harder levels for Vs. Super Mario Bros. so it definitely came before. --[[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]] ([[User talk:Glowsquid|talk]]) 14:17, 21 December 2015 (EST)
:While I'm unsure of a 1985 date, it was certainly available before June 14, 1986. [https://onitama.tv/gamemachine/pdf/19860501p.pdf#page=11 This magazine] from May 1986 mentions how Japanese arcade owners were illegally importing ''VS. Super Mario Bros.'' ROM kits as it was never released in Japan. Wikipedia lists an April 1986 release date but doesn't give a source, however it looks realistic given all that we know so far.--[[User:Platform|Platform]] ([[User talk:Platform|talk]]) 01:49, January 1, 2021 (EST)
:While I'm unsure of a 1985 date, it was certainly available before June 14, 1986. [https://onitama.tv/gamemachine/pdf/19860501p.pdf#page=11 This magazine] from May 1986 mentions how Japanese arcade owners were illegally importing ''VS. Super Mario Bros.'' ROM kits as it was never released in Japan. Wikipedia lists an April 1986 release date but doesn't give a source, however it looks realistic given all that we know so far.--[[User:Platform|Platform]] ([[User talk:Platform|talk]]) 01:49, January 1, 2021 (EST)
::I found a source that lists two release dates for some reason. [https://archive.org/details/ArcadeGameList1971-2005/page/n129/mode/2up Here], among Nintendo of America releases, it lists 86/05 as the date, but [https://archive.org/details/ArcadeGameList1971-2005/page/n57/mode/2up here], among Nintendo of Japan releases, it lists 86/02 as the date (note it states the VS. ''Super Mario Bros.'' was released overseas in parenthesis). I'm not sure what happened there. Maybe somehow the official release got mixed up with around the time bootlegs started showing up, or a Japanese release was planned? At any rate, if there are no better sources, which of the two would be the likelier date? [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 03:00, September 1, 2022 (EDT)
::I found a source that lists two release dates for some reason. [https://archive.org/details/ArcadeGameList1971-2005/page/n129/mode/2up Here], among Nintendo of America releases, it lists 86/05 as the date, but [https://archive.org/details/ArcadeGameList1971-2005/page/n57/mode/2up here], among Nintendo of Japan releases, it lists 86/02 as the date (note it states the VS. ''Super Mario Bros.'' was released overseas in parenthesis). I'm not sure what happened there. Maybe somehow the official release got mixed up with around the time bootlegs started showing up, or a Japanese release was planned? At any rate, if there are no better sources, I take it 86/05 must be the likelier date? [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 03:00, September 1, 2022 (EDT)
:::As I've noted elsewhere, that book is unreliable. Wikipedia has links to several contemporaneous sources. A possible prototype of VS. SMB was shown in London in [https://solvalou.com/arcade/reviews/31/344 January '86]. It may have been pulled for [https://archive.org/details/play-meter-volume-12-number-1-january-15th-1986-600DPI/Play%20Meter%20-%20Volume%2012%2C%20Number%201%20-%20January%2015th%201986%20%28Compressed%29/page/28/mode/1up reworking due to difficulty]. I would argue that the Chicago expo in March is the true debut as it is the final version. Arcade trade shows are unlike ones for console or PC games which preview or announce a new game many months in advance. Sales take place directly to distributors and operators at arcade shows after prospective buyers test them out in the floor. Delivery time varies and it is up to the operators discretion on when to install new games at their venues.--[[User:Platform|Platform]] ([[User talk:Platform|talk]]) 06:17, October 16, 2022 (EDT)
::::I'm not sure if this is on to something, but I found [https://archive.org/details/1987WinterTopScore/page/n11/mode/2up this] nugget. The wording's a little strange, but it seems to indicate ''VS. Super Mario Bros.'' debuted '''after''' the Famicom release of ''Super Mario Bros.'', but '''before''' the NES release. That doesn't necessarily pin things down too well given it puts the NA release of ''Super Mario Bros.'' back up in the air, given the back flyer's [[media:VSSMB Flyer back.jpg|1986]] date, but a general release timeline of Famicom SMB -> VS. SMB -> NES SMB -> PlayChoice SMB would make some sense. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 18:42, October 26, 2023 (EDT)

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