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Can someone please upload a pic of urchin from mario galaxy?{{User:Fg/sig}} | Can someone please upload a pic of urchin from mario galaxy?{{User:Fg/sig}} | ||
==Split Mega Urchin and Mini Urchin from Urchin== | ==Split Mega Urchin and Mini Urchin from Urchin== | ||
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I don't understand why these two things are merged because while it is true that they are in fact just bigger and small versions of Urchins they both have what I believe are official names (QUICK SOMEONE WITH A PRIMA GUIDE FOR NEW SUPER MARIO BROS. WII AND NSMB2 CONFIRM THIS) and they both show differences from regular Urchins because unlike Urchins which swim and roll both of these (I believe) don't move at all. I would also like to add that we have pages for smaller types of enemies like [[Micro Goomba]] and bigger types of enemies like [[Colossal Paratroopa]] so I fail to see why these pages should be treated differently. | I don't understand why these two things are merged because while it is true that they are in fact just bigger and small versions of Urchins they both have what I believe are official names (QUICK SOMEONE WITH A PRIMA GUIDE FOR NEW SUPER MARIO BROS. WII AND NSMB2 CONFIRM THIS) and they both show differences from regular Urchins because unlike Urchins which swim and roll both of these (I believe) don't move at all. I would also like to add that we have pages for smaller types of enemies like [[Micro Goomba]] and bigger types of enemies like [[Colossal Paratroopa]] so I fail to see why these pages should be treated differently. | ||
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== Unira == | == Unira == | ||
According to the article, the Japanese name for these guys is Unira. I realize that, other than being sea urchins, they don't really look the same, but [[Unira]] is also the name of the sea urchins from ''Clu Clu Land''. Is mentioning this noteworthy for the article? -- [[User:1337star|1337star]] ([[User talk:1337star|Mailbox SP]]) [[File:MPA Boo | According to the article, the Japanese name for these guys is Unira. I realize that, other than being sea urchins, they don't really look the same, but [[Unira]] is also the name of the sea urchins from ''Clu Clu Land''. Is mentioning this noteworthy for the article? -- [[User:1337star|1337star]] ([[User talk:1337star|Mailbox SP]]) [[File:MPA Boo.jpg|20px|Happy Halloween!]] 17:30, 30 October 2012 (EDT) | ||
== Two kinds in SMW == | == Two kinds in SMW == | ||
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==Split the ground Urchin== | ==Split the ground Urchin== | ||
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As discussed, there is a second type of Urchin in ''Super Mario Galaxy'' and ''Super Mario Galaxy 2'', which isn't named in the Prima Guides. One option is its internal name in both games, which is a direct translation of its first Japanese name. The other closest mention is on the trading card, which calls it a red Urchin. A third option is available for Riku Unira, which is a romanization of its more recent Japanese name. A fourth option has been included for "Urchin (land)", which is a compromise to feature an identifier based on the plain English internal name. This proposal will determine which of the four names it will get for the split. | As discussed, there is a second type of Urchin in ''Super Mario Galaxy'' and ''Super Mario Galaxy 2'', which isn't named in the Prima Guides. One option is its internal name in both games, which is a direct translation of its first Japanese name. The other closest mention is on the trading card, which calls it a red Urchin. A third option is available for Riku Unira, which is a romanization of its more recent Japanese name. A fourth option has been included for "Urchin (land)", which is a compromise to feature an identifier based on the plain English internal name. This proposal will determine which of the four names it will get for the split. | ||
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#{{User|FanOfYoshi}} My preferred choice. You didn't really get my point. I didn't use the "it is an english name but is made by Japanese people" argument. I said that "Unizo" isn't the english name. Also, for the SMBS items, it worths nothing. | #{{User|FanOfYoshi}} My preferred choice. You didn't really get my point. I didn't use the "it is an english name but is made by Japanese people" argument. I said that "Unizo" isn't the english name. Also, for the SMBS items, it worths nothing. | ||
#{{User|Waluigi Time}} Since we do have an English name for it, I think this is the logical choice. | #{{User|Waluigi Time}} Since we do have an English name for it, I think this is the logical choice. | ||
===Keep merged=== | ===Keep merged=== | ||
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::::::Not sure what those games have to do with anything because the former had a minimal localization altogether and the latter had localization effort only put into its manual. Localization is not the same thing as translation. An English name as used by the wiki is something that is generally considered actual English or used by the official English translators, and if they choose not to localize what they translate like they did with ''Super Mario Land'', that's on them, not us. Yes, we are aware that internal sourcing is somewhat of a grey area, but recent attempts to have a broader discussion about it and put something into policy failed, so the best we can do is determine each case individually. In this situation, we could go with Urchin and have an article identifier, but we also have a conflicting proposal on source priority exceptions, which is why Land Unizo would be the result. And I'll remind you that other examples like Needle Plant are, in no way, shape or form, a "romanization" of the Japanese name - a romanization is not the same thing as Japanese translating the language themselves. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 07:08, 9 March 2019 (EST) | ::::::Not sure what those games have to do with anything because the former had a minimal localization altogether and the latter had localization effort only put into its manual. Localization is not the same thing as translation. An English name as used by the wiki is something that is generally considered actual English or used by the official English translators, and if they choose not to localize what they translate like they did with ''Super Mario Land'', that's on them, not us. Yes, we are aware that internal sourcing is somewhat of a grey area, but recent attempts to have a broader discussion about it and put something into policy failed, so the best we can do is determine each case individually. In this situation, we could go with Urchin and have an article identifier, but we also have a conflicting proposal on source priority exceptions, which is why Land Unizo would be the result. And I'll remind you that other examples like Needle Plant are, in no way, shape or form, a "romanization" of the Japanese name - a romanization is not the same thing as Japanese translating the language themselves. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 07:08, 9 March 2019 (EST) | ||
::I said that Needle Plant is merely placeholdery, and is not intended to be the actual name. Donkey Kong Jungle Beat did have internal filenames "englishized", but most of them are too '''generic'''. Kiba Pig Poppo wasn't entirely englishized though, and i feel that it is nonsensical by itself. [[Mini Iga]] and [[Bakky]] are total romanizations just like [[Karikari]] and [[Kamikami]]. Wait, the source priority proposal? I'd have liked to make a counterproposal, since i'd prefer a guide-by-guide basis. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 08:00, 9 March 2019 (EST) | ::I said that Needle Plant is merely placeholdery, and is not intended to be the actual name. Donkey Kong Jungle Beat did have internal filenames "englishized", but most of them are too '''generic'''. Kiba Pig Poppo wasn't entirely englishized though, and i feel that it is nonsensical by itself. [[Mini Iga]] and [[Bakky]] are total romanizations just like [[Karikari]] and [[Kamikami]]. Wait, the source priority proposal? I'd have liked to make a counterproposal, since i'd prefer a guide-by-guide basis. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 08:00, 9 March 2019 (EST) | ||
