Editing Talk:Unlucky Space

== Bad Luck Spaces ==

Bad Luck Spaces have a function significantly different from Unlucky Spaces in previous games, so maybe...split instead? {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 12:03, 12 October 2018 (EDT)
:They have the same Japanese though. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 12:04, 12 October 2018 (EDT)
::Having the same Japanese name does not qualify for a merge by itself. {{User:Toadette the Achiever/sig}} 18:13, 12 October 2018 (EDT)
:::I agree, the Bad Luck Spaces are a lot more similar to Bowser Spaces than Unlucky Spaces. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 21:05, 12 October 2018 (EDT)

== Split Bad Luck Space and Extra Bad Luck Space ==
{{SettledTPP}}
{{ProposalOutcome|passed|4-5-1|split while covering Bad Luck Space and Extra Bad Luck Space in the same article}}
This stems from the discussion above.

Throughout all three games they appear in, Unlucky Spaces simply cause something bad to happen to the player who landed on it. Bad Luck Spaces, on the other hand, are more like successors to [[Bowser Space]]s from previous games, as they force the player to spin an event roulette; also, as Mario jc pointed out, they even have different Japanese names from each other. I was considering splitting this out already, but Mario jc suggested I just start a proposal anyways to ensure everyone is on board with the split (as well as my previous undiscussed split of [[VS Space]] and [[Minigame Space]]).

'''Proposer:''' {{User|Toadette the Achiever}}<br>
'''Deadline:''' November 7, 2019, 23:59 GMT

===Split; cover Bad Luck Space and Extra Bad Luck Space in separate articles===
#{{User|Toadette the Achiever}} My preferred option.
#{{User|Obsessive Mario Fan}} Second choice.
#{{User|FanOfYoshi}} Read my comments.
#{{User|Doomhiker}} I prefer the Extra Bad Luck being split as it’s like a form the Bad Luck Space, given it coming at a different time. Regardless, the spaces should at least be split from this article, as they are entirely different with different names with no evidence of being the same.

===Split; cover Bad Luck Space and Extra Bad Luck Space in the same article===
#{{User|Waluigi Time}} It's clearly closer to the Bowser Space than the Unlucky Space, so it really shouldn't be covered here. I don't think the Bad Luck and Extra Bad Luck Spaces are different enough to warrant two articles, though.
#{{User|TheDarkStar}} - Per Waluigi Time.
#{{User|Obsessive Mario Fan}} They're  clearly different from Unlucky Spaces, but I don't think the two are really different enough to be split, as one just has worse effects.
#{{User|Power Flotzo}} Per all.
#{{User|WeirdDave13}} Per all

===Keep merged===
#{{User|FanOfYoshi}} JUST because they have a slightly different function, and English name does NOT mean they're not the same thing.

===Comments===
@FanOfYoshi Their function isn't "''slightly''" different from Unlucky spaces. Bad Luck Spaces are actually a lot more like [[Bowser Space]]s.

I think there should be an option for merging this with Bowser Space. {{User:Obsessive Mario Fan/sig}} 22:59, October 25, 2019 (EDT)
:I could be wrong though. It could be because the other Japanese names aren't noted that i oppose, though, this is speculation. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 02:24, October 26, 2019 (EDT)
::Out of curiosity, can anyone check the filenames, even though it might spoil the filename? --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 02:37, October 26, 2019 (EDT)
:::If it turns out they have different Japanese name, would they be split into separate articles? --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 05:59, November 5, 2019 (EST)
::::Yes. Even if they had the same Japanese name, they're still different. {{User:Obsessive Mario Fan/sig}} 14:55, November 5, 2019 (EST)
:::::Most of the consensus votes for them to be covered in the same article, so it's not really spliting. It's just reorganizing the article. What's the point of making a proposal if it's just to reorganize the page? I'd agree for a separate page then, even if we don't know the other type's Japanese name. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 15:34, November 5, 2019 (EST)
:::::::It’s not, though. Bad Luck Space is being split from this page, and in the second option, the Extra Bad Luck Space is being covered on the newly split Bad Luck Space article. The Unlucky Space is still going to be in this article, and thus pages are being spit in both options one and two. {{User:Doomhiker/sig}} 15:51, November 5, 2019 (EST)

== Re-merge them ==

When I saw the split in the subject, I got angry. I disagree with this in every way. I know the Bad Luck spaces behave more like Bowser spaces, but they are still the opposite of the Lucky spaces. Plus, The Extra Bad Luck Spaces are even MORE like the Bowser Space. If you disagree with me, remember that I was the one to discover the Bad Luck Space's name similarity, and the opposition of the Lucky space.--[[User:Partier|Partier]] ([[User talk:Partier|talk]]) 21:18, February 10, 2020 (EST)
:I don't see why Bad Luck Spaces being the opposite of Lucky Spaces means they should be re-merged. If you feel that strongly about it, you can start another proposal, but given that only one other user wanted them to stay merged I don't think it's going to change anything. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 21:24, February 10, 2020 (EST)

== Reverse the earlier proposal to Split the Bad Luck Space and Extra Bad Luck Space ==
{{TPP}}
That Proposal to split the article into two is stupid. I do not see ANY difference between The Bad Luck Space and the Unlucky Space. I know they replace the Bowser Spaces, but, I'd say it is just a Bowser Space wannabe. Either way, It is still the opposite of the Lucky Space. If there are more of you who say They are not the same, What makes you think they are so different that the split was SO important to you all?

'''Proposer:''' {{User|Partier}}<br>
'''Deadline:''' February 28, 2020, 23:59 GMT

===Keep it split===
#{{User|Scrooge200}} Unlucky Spaces involve happenings on the board. Bad Luck Spaces have a different name, design, and function, causing generic bad events.
#{{User|Trig Jegman}} Two visually different objects that serve expressly different functions, with different requirements to encounter, as well as one experiencing a unique change (Bad Luck to Extra Bad) means that the split here is entirely valid.
#{{User|Yoshi the SSM}} Per all.
#{{User|TheDarkStar}} - Per all. I'm also not a fan of the former section title ("keep it split because I'm a stupid idiot").
#{{User|Toadette the Achiever}} Per my original proposal to split these out in the first place.

===Add Super Mario Party as an appearance, but don't re-merge them (Note: This is a compromise that might work out for anyone out there)===

===Re-merge===
#{{User|Partier}} I was the one who put Super Mario Party in the Unlucky Space page in the first place, Because, They are still the opposite page. They may act like the Bowser space, But it is just that The names mean the same thing. Whatever the reason may be for you think they are different, Comment it. Besides, You spin a Roulette for the Lucky Space (in Super Mario Party) too, so what gives?

===Comments===
You do realize that the Lucky Space in Super Mario Party does the same thing, but with good events, right? --[[User:Partier|Partier]] ([[User talk:Partier|talk]]) 00:01, February 11, 2020 (EST)
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 == Split Bad Luck Space and Extra Bad Luck Space ==
-{{Settled TPP}}
+{{SettledTPP}}
-{{Proposal outcome|passed|4-5-1|split while covering Bad Luck Space and Extra Bad Luck Space in the same article}}
+{{ProposalOutcome|passed|4-5-1|split while covering Bad Luck Space and Extra Bad Luck Space in the same article}}
 This stems from the discussion above.
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 == Reverse the earlier proposal to Split the Bad Luck Space and Extra Bad Luck Space ==
-{{Settled TPP}}
+{{TPP}}
-{{Proposal outcome|failed|1-10|keep split}}
 That Proposal to split the article into two is stupid. I do not see ANY difference between The Bad Luck Space and the Unlucky Space. I know they replace the Bowser Spaces, but, I'd say it is just a Bowser Space wannabe. Either way, It is still the opposite of the Lucky Space. If there are more of you who say They are not the same, What makes you think they are so different that the split was SO important to you all?
-Okay, New rule, If the proposal fails, I suggest we could Use Super Mario Party stating to go to the Bad Luck Space For more information.
 '''Proposer:''' {{User|Partier}}<br>
-'''Deadline:''' February 25, 2020, 23:59 GMT
+'''Deadline:''' February 28, 2020, 23:59 GMT
-===Re-merge===
-#{{User|Partier}} I was the one who put Super Mario Party in the Unlucky Space page in the first place, Because, They are still the opposite page. They may act like the Bowser space, But it is just that The names mean the same thing. Whatever the reason may be for you think they are different, Comment it. Besides, You spin a Roulette for the Lucky Space (in Super Mario Party) too, so what gives?
 ===Keep it split===
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 #{{User|TheDarkStar}} - Per all. I'm also not a fan of the former section title ("keep it split because I'm a stupid idiot").
 #{{User|Toadette the Achiever}} Per my original proposal to split these out in the first place.
-#{{User|Alex95}} - Per all.
-#{{User|FanOfYoshi}} Per all. Also, we should probably split both as well.
-#{{User|Waluigi Time}} Per all and the previous proposal. Nothing said here makes me even consider that these are the same and need to be re-merged.
-#{{User|Obsessive Mario Fan}} Per all.
-#{{User|TheFlameChomp}} Per all.
-===Comments===
+===Add Super Mario Party as an appearance, but don't re-merge them (Note: This is a compromise that might work out for anyone out there)===
-You do realize that the Lucky Space in Super Mario Party does the same thing, but with good events, right? --[[User:Partier|Partier]] ([[User talk:Partier|talk]]) 00:01, February 11, 2020 (EST)
-:Actually, the "Re-merge" option should be above the Opposition, not below. --{{User:FanOfYoshi/sig}} 11:08, February 11, 2020 (EST)
-== Add a redirect-to-another-article section ==
+===Re-merge===
-{{Settled TPP}}
+#{{User|Partier}} I was the one who put Super Mario Party in the Unlucky Space page in the first place, Because, They are still the opposite page. They may act like the Bowser space, But it is just that The names mean the same thing. Whatever the reason may be for you think they are different, Comment it. Besides, You spin a Roulette for the Lucky Space (in Super Mario Party) too, so what gives?
-{{Proposal outcome|failed|0-2-3|Make no changes}}
-I get that you guys see the [[Bad Luck Space]] as a different Space than this one. But I still kind of want some sort of bridge between the two. Right now, it's a ONE-way bridge. I figured the other way could have a Super Mario Party section that says ''Main article: [[Bad Luck Space]]''. Whatever that kind of section is called, I think it should be there. It could end my little problem with the split once and for all.
-'''Proposer:''' {{User|Partier}}<br>
-'''Deadline:''' November 2, 2020 23:59 GTM
-===Add it, and Nothing else===
-===Add it and do the same with the Bowser Space===
-#{{User|Partier}} This here is for if the Bowser Space doesn't have one of those yet. I think this part will win because you say it's more like Bowser Space than this one. I still kind of disagree. But I vote here anyways because of YOUR views.
-#{{User|DarkNight}} I don't see why this needs a proposal; it's such a minor thing, but per proposal.
-<s>{{User|Benjaminkirsc}} There is a lot of info that could be merged. The same thing has to be done to Bowser Space. Also per all, it's a minor thing. Make sure it is merged in the next few days, and do the same thing with Bowser Space, make it merged (all of them) to this page.</s>
-===Nope===
-#{{User|Waluigi Time}} This didn't really need to be a proposal, but since it is, I don't think the Bad Luck Space is similar enough to the Unlucky Space to warrant an entire history section here. It's already in the "See also" section, that's enough in my opinion. I'd rather see this added to the Bowser Space article than here.
-#{{User|Bazooka Mario}} A "see also" section is sufficient, but it's your call to add a one sentence phrase "the space in Super Mario Party bears similarities to this space" in some trivia or off-shoot line after the opening paragraph. Proposal not needed, and adding it to the history section isn't needed or desirable.
-#{{User|Benjaminkirsc}} I changed my mind, I'm sorry. Thanks to Waluigi Time, I change my answer. New reason: No way, my boy. All are absolutely different. Also per Waluigi Time and Bazooka Mario, there should not be a proposal. Waluigi Time made a straight-to-point reason why. Used to say yes until it made more sense more it to say no. Update: Stop doing the same thing Partier, you did the same thing <s>3</s> 2 times now.
 ===Comments===
-I hope you find it in your hearts, to forgive me for any drama I caused before. --[[User:Partier|Partier]] ([[User talk:Partier|talk]]) 17:13, October 19, 2020 (EDT)
+You do realize that the Lucky Space in Super Mario Party does the same thing, but with good events, right? --[[User:Partier|Partier]] ([[User talk:Partier|talk]]) 00:01, February 11, 2020 (EST)
-[[User: Waluigi Time|Waluigi Time]], all of this info is just basically the same thing. Doing nothing would be more confusing than mering. [[User:Benjaminkirsc|Benjaminkirsc]] ([[User talk:Benjaminkirsc|talk]]) 14:22, October 20, 2020 (EDT)
-:This applied to '''"every discussion"''' you took on in the merging process. [[User:Benjaminkirsc|Benjaminkirsc]] ([[User talk:Benjaminkirsc|talk]]) 14:24, October 20, 2020 (EDT)
-::I think you're confused here. First of all, this proposal has absolutely nothing to do with merging articles, only adding sections on the Bowser Space and Unlucky Space articles that direct readers to the Bad Luck Space article. Second, you've been around here long enough to know that "merge these articles in the next few days" is not at all how proposals work. Also, no, they aren't the same thing. Bowser Spaces and Bad Luck Spaces cause a roulette to appear that makes a random event happen to the players. Unlucky Spaces cause specific pre-determined events that change by board, making it closer to an Event Space than either of those other spaces. This is why I've wanted the Bad Luck Space split this entire time - it's much closer to the Bowser Space than the Unlucky Space, but it's also not actually either of those spaces. You could make a case for merging Bowser Space and Bad Luck Space (which I disagree with, it's a functional replacement but not the same thing), but Unlucky Space is its own thing and should be left alone. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 15:08, October 20, 2020 (EDT)
-:::Thanks [[User:Benjaminkirsc|Benjaminkirsc]] ([[User talk:Benjaminkirsc|talk]]) 18:32, October 27, 2020 (EDT)
-Alright, who changed the deadline? I think it's kind of cheating. I get that it has no need for a proposal. That does not mean you should say no. I have a lot more than one sentence to say on that. If this fails, My situation will continue. --[[User:Partier|Partier]] ([[User talk:Partier|talk]]) 15:06, November 1, 2020 (EST)
-:I changed it, and it's not "cheating". All talk page proposals have to run for 14 days from the date of being proposed. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 15:11, November 1, 2020 (EST)