Editing Talk:Tweester

Are you sure Tweesters actually appear in Super Mario Bros. 3 and Super Mario 64? I thought those were just, well, regular, non-living tornadoes. Are they actually called Tweesters in those two games? -- [[User: Sir Grodus|Sir Grodus]]

SMB3? No. SM64? yes. {{User:Maxlover2/sig}}

Also PM, don't forget that. There were no Tweesters in SMB3 or NSMB for that matter.{{User:Knife/sig}} 22:14, 2 March 2007 (EST)

I'm not sure, but there is the Tweester Orb in a few games.--{{User:Aipom/sig}}--

What about Dance Dance Revolution: Mario Mix, is it a Tweester or just a generic tornado? -- [[User: Sir Grodus|Sir Grodus]]
A Tweester. Yes with eyes. [[Image:Paperjorgesp.png]] <span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|<span style="color:Blue;">P</span>]][[User talk:Paper Jorge|<span style="color:Green;">J</span>]]'''</font></span>'''[[Donkey Kong: Jungle Beat|<span style="color:Black;">{{{1|}}}</span>]]''' [[Image:Paperjorgesp.png]]

Okay, but I'm still a bit Weary of the "Tweesters are in Super Mario 64"; are they named Tweesters, do they have the face or anything, I've played the game and never noticed anything differentiating them from a regular, old tornado. -- [[User: Sir Grodus|Sir Grodus]]

Sorry, I checked. SM64? no. SM64''DS''? yes. {{User:Maxlover2/sig}} Sorry!

They were in both versions in that... desert stage.{{User:Knife/sig}} 13:50, 3 March 2007 (EST)

Uh, sorry to change the subject, but since when is Tweester sometimes considered a conjectural name?
Okay, back to business. I don't think that every last tornado ABSOLUTELY HAS TO BE CALLED Tweester just because it's in the Marioverse. In this case, the ones in SMB3, SM64, and MK: DD (although that wasn't mentioned in the article, was it?). -- [[User:Dodoman|Dodoman]]

:The reason Tweester is listed as part conjecture is because the SMB3 and SM64 Tweesters weren't actually Tweesters and had no names, yet we listed them as Tweesters nonetheless. {{User:YellowYoshi398/sig}}

::Oh. But... most of us agree that those are ''NOT'' Tweesters. <small>This is going nowhere...</small>

They don't look like Tweesters, they just look like inanimate tornadoes, without eyes or mouthes. And are they called Tweesters anywhere in the manuals SMB3 or SM64? -- [[User: Sir Grodus|Sir Grodus]]

I don't think so. There should be a [[Tornado]] article. {{User:Plumber/sig}} 01:28, 27 June 2007 (EDT)

Maybe they're the same things that appear in Wario's Palace that DP was trying to make. What were they... Sand Storms?{{User:Knife/sig}} 22:42, 28 June 2007 (EDT)


this article is a joke. only sentient tornadoes with faces are tweesters. [[User:Lu-igi board|Lu-igi board]]

As far as I know, there is a thing in SM64DS, which looks like a tornado, and doesnt have a face,therefore meaning that it wasnt an actual Tweester, but it was something like it.In Galaxy though, there are tornado things with eyes in the Dusty Dune Galaxy.Plus, are we sure they are called Tweesters?It makes me think of birds, coz the noise a bird makes it sometimes written as tweet.--[[User:Smileymiley5001|Smileymiley5001]] 06:42, 23 February 2011 (EST)

== One box too many ==

Does anyone know why the [[Mario Kart]] items box is in this page? I can't find it in there and I see no other references to the series on the page. --[[User:Grammarcheck|Grammarcheck]] ([[User talk:Grammarcheck|talk]]) 12:09, 6 March 2015 (EST)
:I thought it may be one of the GP games, but it doesn't seem any of the three have a tweester-like item. until someone clarifies, I've removed it. --[[User:Glowsquid|Glowsquid]] ([[User talk:Glowsquid|talk]]) 13:07, 6 March 2015 (EST)

== Super Mario Sunshine ==
they were their right???? TYC
:Look under "other appearances." This article is rather arbitrary as to what constitutes a Tweester, and that was a vague attempt at fixing that. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 20:09, 3 September 2017 (EDT)

== BACK IN ODYSSEY? ==

i'm SERIOUS they were in snow kingdom. {{User:Mario Kart DS Fan/sig}}

:Can you provide a source?
:{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 19:18, 1 November 2017 (EDT)

not gud at providng sources, but just surch up snow kingdom all moons #DOIT {{User:Mario Kart DS Fan/sig}}
:Did you see it in a video? If so, give me the link to it. Just skip to where you saw Tweesters, right-click, then click "Copy video URL at current time". Copy-and-paste it in the talk page between two brackets <code><nowiki>[like this]</nowiki></code> (press Ctrl+V to right-click and click "Paste").
:{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 19:37, 1 November 2017 (EDT)
:P.S. Please indent your talk page comments.

:Are you referring to those gusts of wind that come out of the ground when you unplug their holes outdoors? Those aren't Tweesters, and neither are tornadoes without faces for that matter. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 19:39, 1 November 2017 (EDT)

::Well, never mind then.
::{{User:Ultimate Mr. L/sig}} 19:42, 1 November 2017 (EDT)

==Reorganization==
This article seems a bit inflated and could use trimming. The only confirmed Tweester appearances that I'm aware of are in ''Paper Mario'', the ''Mario Party'' series, and ''Dance Dance Revolution: Mario Mix''; the rest of the article describes almost any given tornado or twister, such as the ones with eyes ''Super Mario Galaxy'', which are technically "<tt>SunakazeKun</tt>" (SandwindKid). [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 20:32, 1 November 2017 (EDT)
:Given that most ''Paper Mario'' enemies were based off of NES-SNES-era enemies, I'd say the ''SMB3'' ones more than likely are. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 21:18, 1 November 2017 (EDT)
::That's speculation, and ''Paper Mario'' didn't take any particular inspiration from SMB3; I'd say that It borrowed from all of the previous ''Mario'' games. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 21:25, 1 November 2017 (EDT)
The article is now more accurate than it was previously, but is there any particular reason why ''Super Mario Galaxy'' and ''Virtual Boy Wario Land'' were skipped from splitting? [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 21:30, 15 September 2018 (EDT)
:::👀 <-
:::One user tried to split the VBWL one into the conjecturally-named "Torny" at one point, but Shokora (who of course was the go-to person here about the game before mysteriously disappearing) said it was unnecessary. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 21:34, 15 September 2018 (EDT)
I can't think of many other pages that keep vaguely similar but clearly different enemies merged (maybe ''Super Princess Peach'''s [[Big_Thwomp#Super_Princess_Peach|Big Thwomp]] is a similar situation). I know it's under "Similar foes from other Mario-related titles" in this article, but it's still called Tweester in the VBWL template and related pages, which looks completely off since it predates the actual Tweester. It feels like a holdover when nearly every tornado was considered Tweester. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 21:50, 15 September 2018 (EDT)
:"Big" enemies are in a different boat entirely, to be honest, though I'll admit the background-based inhaler guy is pretty different from other large Thwomps. It should probably be split, and to be honest most conjecturally-named enemies from the game should probably be given more intuitive names, as some are nearly as bad as the [[Police]] article's former title. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 21:55, 15 September 2018 (EDT)
::If you have any suggestions for better conjectural titles (and that "Big Thwomp"), you can bring them up on the talk pages (I'd personally call the "Torny" a "Tornado-Creature" to go with the game's naming style and because the section already generically calls it a Tornado creature). As for ''Super Mario Galaxy'''s Sunakaze Kun, I think it's best to wait until ''Super Mario Bros. Encyclopedia'' for a confirmed name. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 22:10, 15 September 2018 (EDT)
:::If we're going with the game's alleged name structure, I'd say "Eye-Tornado" or something like that. I still think there isn't enough examples to justify the rampant conjectural hyphenation, myself. [[User:Doc von Schmeltwick|Doc von Schmeltwick]] ([[User talk:Doc von Schmeltwick|talk]]) 22:15, 15 September 2018 (EDT)

==Split ''Super Mario Galaxy'' Tweester and ''Virtual Boy Wario Land'' Tornado==
{{TPP}}
While the Tweester article has been cleaned up fairly recently, these two subjects should also be split. The ''Super Mario Galaxy'' Tweester has a completely different Japanese name (Sunakaze Kun), and doesn't resemble the traditional Tweester that appears in ''Paper Mario'', the ''Mario Party'' series, and ''Dance Dance Revolution: Mario Mix''. It is also sometimes harmful, whereas the ''Paper Mario'' Tweester was always harmless. The unnamed ''Virtual Boy Wario Land'' creature predates Tweester by approximately five years, and while the current Tweester article lists them as "Similar foes from other ''Mario''-related titles", they are still labeled as "Tweester" in several ''Virtual Boy Wario Land'' pages, so they are merged for all intents and purposes. All three of these tornados have different functions and don't belong in the same article.

'''Proposer''': {{User|LinkTheLefty}}<br>
'''Deadline''': November 17, 2018, 23:59 GMT

===Support===
#{{User|LinkTheLefty}} Per proposal, and my thought is to give the ''Virtual Boy Wario Land'' subject the conjectural name "Torny" since that seems to have been the first suggestion.
#{{User|VOIDTHIS}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Doc von Schmeltwick}} The PM-debuting ones were a glorified warping mechanism anyways. Per proposal.
#{{User|Toadette the Achiever}} Clearly different in more ways than one. Per proposal.
#{{User|WeirdDave13}} Per all
#{{User|Doomhiker}} Per all.
#{{User|Bazooka Mario}} Let's do this before the inevitable next encyclopedia feasts its eyes on the wiki.
#{{User|TheFlameChomp}} Per all.
#{{User|Niiue}} Per all.
#{{User|FanOfYoshi}} Per all.
#{{User|bwburke94}} Per all.
#{{User|Mister Wu}} Agreed, especially considering how the ''Paper Mario'' and ''Dance Dance Revolution: Mario Mix'' are similar in appearance as well, while the ''Super Mario Galaxy'' ones have different Japanese names, appearance and fucntion. In the case of ''Virtual Boy Wario Land'' we already acknowledge that they most likely aren't the same enemies.

===Oppose===

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 ==Split ''Super Mario Galaxy'' Tweester and ''Virtual Boy Wario Land'' Tornado==
-{{Settled TPP}}
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-{{Proposal outcome|passed|12-0|split}}
 While the Tweester article has been cleaned up fairly recently, these two subjects should also be split. The ''Super Mario Galaxy'' Tweester has a completely different Japanese name (Sunakaze Kun), and doesn't resemble the traditional Tweester that appears in ''Paper Mario'', the ''Mario Party'' series, and ''Dance Dance Revolution: Mario Mix''. It is also sometimes harmful, whereas the ''Paper Mario'' Tweester was always harmless. The unnamed ''Virtual Boy Wario Land'' creature predates Tweester by approximately five years, and while the current Tweester article lists them as "Similar foes from other ''Mario''-related titles", they are still labeled as "Tweester" in several ''Virtual Boy Wario Land'' pages, so they are merged for all intents and purposes. All three of these tornados have different functions and don't belong in the same article.