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| Read the top of the article and everything will be clear.--{{User|Knife}} 15:31, 3 November 2010 (UTC) | | Read the top of the article and everything will be clear.--{{User|Knife}} 15:31, 3 November 2010 (UTC) |
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| ==Split the Trophy section from SSB into a new "{{fake link|Trophy (Super Smash Bros.)}}" article== | | ==Split the Trophy section from Super Smash Bros. into a new article named {{fakelink|Trophy (Super Smash Bros.)}}== |
| {{Settled TPP}} | | {{TPP}} |
| {{Proposal outcome|no quorum|3-0}}
| | I find it totally weird that two entirely different concepts to be together in the same article. The trophies in sports games are rewards and trophies in the game Super Smash Bros. are figurines for the game to collect. I propose a split to remove the section of the Trophy of the Super Smash Bros series from this article and put it in a brand new page called ''Trophy (Super Smash Bros.)''. From what it look right now, Its like having the [[Sticker (Paper Mario: Sticker Star)|sticker]] concept from [[Paper Mario: Sticker Star|Sticker Star]] being merge with the Super Smash Bros. Brawl [[Sticker (Super Smash Bros. Brawl)|sticker]] concept. |
| I find it totally weird that two entirely different concepts to be together in the same article. The trophies in sports games are rewards and trophies in the game Super Smash Bros. are figurines for the game to collect. I propose a split to remove the section of the Trophy of the Super Smash Bros series from this article and put it in a brand new page called ''Trophy (Super Smash Bros.)''. From what it look right now, Its like having the [[sticker]] concept from [[Paper Mario: Sticker Star|Sticker Star]] being merge with the Super Smash Bros. Brawl [[Sticker (Super Smash Bros. Brawl)|sticker]] concept. | |
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| '''Proposer''': {{User|LudwigVon}}<br> | | '''Proposer''': {{User|LudwigVon}}<br> |
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| #{{User|LudwigVon}} Per my proposal and Baby Luigi's comment [[Talk:Sticker#Split into List of Stickers in Paper Mario: Sticker Star|here]]. | | #{{User|LudwigVon}} Per my proposal and Baby Luigi's comment [[Talk:Sticker (Paper Mario: Sticker Star)#Split into List of Stickers in Paper Mario: Sticker Star|here]]. |
| #{{User|Baby Luigi}} Per. I was the one who noticed and notified it, hence one of the reasons I'm supporting, but I'm totally fine with LudwigVon calling action. These two are completely unrelated subjects that have no business being merged. | | #{{User|Baby Luigi}} Per. I was the one who noticed and notified it, hence one of the reasons I'm supporting, but I'm totally fine with LudwigVon calling action. These two are completely unrelated subjects that have no business being merged. |
| #{{User|Bazooka Mario}} What makes the trophies in the Smash Bros. series much more distinct than the other trophies are their function for being statues for live fighters. This is the most explored in the Subspace Emissary, where the trophies are treated pretty much like unconscious bodies, but you also see trophies function like this (mainly as representative statues than unconscious bodies) in the opening cutscene for ''Super Smash Bros. Melee'', defeat in any single player mode, All-Star mode, single player mode in ''Smash 4'', and amiibo management. No other trophies have such an important function that's so strongly tied to a game series since ''Melee''. While both trophies serve as collectible rewards (and most trophies are regarded as collectibles rather than forever dead bodies), it's their powers on playable fighters that really sets them apart.
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| Wouldn't this just open the gates to splitting the likes of [[minigame]], [[point]], [[World]], [[Time Limit]], [[Bubble]], [[Barrel]], and more by game too, though? {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 16:52, 1 December 2015 (EST) | | Wouldn't this just open the gates to splitting the likes of [[minigame]], [[point]], [[World]], [[Time Limit]], [[Bubble]], [[Barrel]], and more by game too, though? {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 16:52, 1 December 2015 (EST) |
| :A slippery slope, this is not. There are extreme and ''very'' evident differences between the two trophies, and lumping them into the same article just for having the same name is like having [[Shadow the Dog]] share an article with [[Shadow the Hedgehog]]. This isn't going to cause the wiki to be flooded with half-articles, it's going to recognize a clear distinction. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} | | :A slippery slope, this is not. There are extreme and ''very'' evident differences between the two trophies, and lumping them into the same article just for having the same name is like having [[Shadow the Dog]] share an article with [[Shadow the Hedgehog]]. This isn't going to cause the wiki to be flooded with half-articles, it's going to recognize a clear distinction. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} |
| ::What are the differences, though? I know those trophies are collectibles, but they're also used as rewards too? Isn't the entire point of trophies in general to collect them? <sup>playing Devil's Advocate here, don't mind me</sup> {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 17:23, 1 December 2015 (EST) | | ::What are the differences, though? I know those trophies are collectibles, but they're also used as rewards too? Isn't the entire point of trophies in general to collect them? {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 17:23, 1 December 2015 (EST) |
| ::They won't get split, for various reasons. The only thing I do support making the minigame article focus ''only'' on Mario Party minigames, as they're clearly they're own distinct entity. It even appears that the article's sole intent was focused on Mario Party but now, I get the "everything but the kitchen sink" mantra from that article. Everything else can be reasonably strung together; World means multiple worlds throughout various games, they all have a similar concept and execution, it's not going to get split any time soon; Time Limit is also pretty damn self-explanatory, but the spin-off section should also be trimmed off (really, I'm kinda questioning its existence...it does have a specific gameplay function in mario platformers, but it's a basic thingamabob in many video games...like we don't need an article on what the timer does in Mario Kart. The article itself is horribly written anyway, it violates Everything But the Kitchen Sink good writing to the max); Bubble also suffers from everything to the kitchen sink type writing and barrel is fine the way it is. Really, most of your examples are articles that actively DO need their subject matter trimmed down. PS I don't even know why the Point article exists at all. {{User:Baby Luigi/sig}} 17:25, 1 December 2015 (EST)
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| ==Split the Trophy section from SSB into a new "{{fake link|Trophy (Super Smash Bros.)}}" article (2<sup>nd</sup> TRY)==
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| This page contains two types of trophies. A trophy that serves for rewards in sports games, this trophy can be in gold, silver and bronze depending on the player's ranking position and with a better position, we receive a rewards (new playable characters, new equipment for the game, mostly depend on game).
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| Now for the trophy of Super Smash Bros, it serves mainly as collectible item. In addition, the trophies are based on several Nintendo properties (mostly) and according to the story of The Subspace Emissary in Super Smash Bros. Brawl, the characters in this world are all trophies created and brought to life by Master Hand, and exist for no reason other than fighting. Whenever the characters are defeated in battle, they are forcibly reverted to trophies. It's like having two concepts with similar names grouped together. As the concept of stickers Super Smash Bros. be that of Paper Mario Sticker Star grouped together.
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| If we split the Super Smash Bros. section, this isn't going to cause the wiki to be flooded with half-articles, it's going to recognize a clear distinction between this two kind of trophies, like how the stickers from Super Smash Bros. and Paper Mario : Sticker Star is not merge to recognize a clear distinction between them.
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| '''Proposer''': {{User|LudwigVon}}<br>
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| '''Deadline''': January 1, 2016, 23:59 GMT
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| #{{user|Baby Luigi}} Per proposal
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| #{{user|The Pyro Guy}} Per proposal.
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| #{{User|Niiue}} Per proposal.
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| #{{User|CSR}} Per proposal. As the trophy section of SSB series has gotten larger, splitting the article is necessary.
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| #{{User|Bazooka Mario}} As last time.
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| == ''Sticker Star'' trophy ==
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| Shouldn't this particular Trophy get its own article? It's distinctively different from all of the other subjects under the name "Trophy"; this particular one is used as an attack, whereas the other Trophies are what they usually are in video games: a reward for completing a certain set of tasks. {{User:Archivist Toadette/sig}} 22:33, December 6, 2020 (EST)
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| :We've already split a lot of the SS/CS Things from their regularly-appearing counterparts, so I'd say yes. See Cake and Bowling Ball and Magnifying Glass. {{User:Scrooge200/sig}} 22:44, December 6, 2020 (EST)
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| Agree. {{User:DarkNight/sig}} 22:56, December 6, 2020 (EST)
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