Editing Talk:Toad Brigade

Is it confirmed that these are the Toads from ''Sunshine''? - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 10:15, 15 November 2007 (EST)

It doesn't resemble the normal toad. I looked at him and he has a red jacket, not a blue one. {{User:Minimariolover10/sig}}

It's never confirmed, but it's heavily suggested due to there being five Toads of the same colors. -- [[User: Booster|Booster]]

I think they're confirmed, however in Galaxy they wear different things (the blue one wears glasses, red one carries a mailbag, all of them are sometimes seen wearing headlamps). -[[User:TheDenzel|TheDenzel]]

Well the only way to explain that is the blue one looked at the sun in Isle Delfino too long, the purple one got a new carrier, and the green one had the job to mine all in the nick of time for Super Mario Galaxy. Does that make sense? No it doesn't. {{User:Minimariolover10/sig}}
:I think you're looking too far into it.  It's a ''Super Mario game'', most things can't be explained and there's really very little continuity in the games.  The five Toads are the same five colored Toads from Super Mario Sunshine, which leads people to believe, and is meant to, that they are the same in both games.  They were merely given more to do in Galaxy and as such, they were given more personality and had to be given special traits to set them apart. [[User:UrsulaBoi|UrsulaBoi]] 11:03, 3 December 2007 (EST)

Well, they're probably not the same toads however. {{User:Minimariolover10/sig}}

:I disagree: five Toads accompanied Peach in SMS, so why do you find it strange they're in SMG? [[User:ND IRISH ROCK!|ND IRISH ROCK!]] 18:32, 8 January 2008 (EST)

Sometimes, things like this have to be inferred instead of proven. There is no way to prove these are the same Toads from SMS, yet there is no way to prove they aren't. But we can logically infer that the five colored Toads are the same and were featured in both games because they have more similarities than differences. It is likely that they are the same Toads, but Nintendo want to diversify them so they got their glasses, careers, pickaxes, etc..{{User:Knife/sig}} 22:23, 9 January 2008 (EST)

Can someone get a better piture for the toad leader? one that is not pixilated like the current one is? {{unsigned|Not G. Ivingname}}

It is even more likely that the Red on is TOAD. "sulks" - [[User:Ultimatetoad|Ultimatetoad]]

Whoever keeps writing about them being the same ones as in sunshine,can you stop?  If they were the same toads they would probably say something about their past adventure(s).{{User:Bob-omb buddy/sig}}
:Peach, Luigi, Bowser, Yoshi etc. also never talk about their past adventures. That's not an argument. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 14:32, 7 July 2008 (EDT)

In [[:Image:Galaxy ToadBrigade all.jpg|this image]], the Toad with the red-dotted cap wears a blue vest (''the'' [[Toad]]?), but the red Toad from the Toad Brigade actually wears a red vest. Are they the same? --[[User:Grandy02|Grandy02]] 14:44, 7 July 2008 (EDT)

:Hard to say. -- [[User: Booster|Booster]]

There's no reason Toad couldn't simply change his vest sometimes. He probably changed it some point after becoming friends with the other four members of the Toad Brigade (before Sunshine but after the event in that picture).  [[User:Buddy Christ|Buddy Christ]]


== Hats or Heads? ==

What are those strange mushroom-things on the top of the heads of Toads, exactly? Most games don't touch this subject except a few...

Support for Heads:
- In Super Mario RPG, the Chancellor exclaims that when he heard the giant sword crash into Bowser's Keep, he nearly dropped his spores. That may have been a joke, but nevertheless, he does say that. Note that Ted Woolsey, whom was known as a translator who tended to spice up dry Japanese dialogue for Square's SNES RPGs, worked on Super Mario RPG.
- In Super Paper Mario, Toad's card says that the Mushroom people of that dimension or known for their strange spotted heads.

Support for Hats:
- In alternate media, they are sometimes viewed as caps. In particular, there is a Super Mario Bros. Super Show episode where Toad uses his hat as a parachute, revealing a bald head underneath. This may not have any connection to the games, however.
- This is probably the biggest piece of evidence:
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The player's guide is directly translated and localized from the Japanese one, resulting in this story artwork not unlike those you would see in other NES games (like Zelda, Metroid, or Kid Icarus). It has a noticeably different art style from the game's cover, like those games as well. Here, it shows the game faces of the Mushroom King and Queen, as well as Peach with a different dress... And a mushroom cap (her parents wear them as well)! He guards don't seem to be wearing them, as well. This could prove that they are caps, as Peach owned one while we know she has hair. Though technically, they are human characters that wear them, but also remember that Peach's apparent grandmother is a Toad.

Maybe it should be mentioned in the article that there are depictions of Toads with either their mushroom-things attached to their heads or simply something for wardrobe. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] 21:13, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

That question encompasses all toads, not just the brigade. Thereby.. [[Toad (Species)]] and click "talk".[[User:GreenKoopa|GreenKoopa]] - [[User talk:GreenKoopa|Comments or questions?]]

== Evidence that the red toad is Toad? ==
The Toad trading card from the Super Mario Galaxy series of cards (by Enterplay) says that he's indeed from the Toad Brigade: "Toad is Princess Peach's closest confidant and sworn protector.  Typically Toad is a happy character, as seen by the constant smile on his face.  But now he has reason to be concerned.  His beloved princess has been kidnapped by Bowser, and Toad will stop at nothing to help find her.  Just when all is feared lost, Toad and his friends appear in their Mushroom-shaped ships and help guide Mario on his quest to save Princess Peach."  This is from official Nintendo merchandise, but it might be somewhat problematic seeing as the image used for Toad is the blue-vested official art from SMG.  I dunno, it might be worth mentioning in the trivia, anyway.  [[User:UrsulaBoi|UrsulaBoi]] 12:16, 9 April 2010 (EDT)

:I would say, yes, this is worthy of mention both on the Toad character page and this page, but without stating definitely he is Toad.  Something along the lines of "According to the SMG trading card series..." yadda yadda yadda... then, "However, he is also depicted in a different outfit than in the game" or something like that.  Basically, provide room for both interpretations (he might be a different character of he might be ''the'' Toad). [[User:Culex|Culex]] 13:25, 9 April 2010 (EDT)

:Wait.  Also check out [[:Image:Galaxy ToadBrigade all.jpg|this image]].  The red capped Toad is wearing a blue vest, like ''the'' Toad and also the image you described from the trading card.  More evidence lending itself to the notion that the red Toad is the Toad (although perhaps not completely conclusive). [[User:Culex|Culex]] 13:31, 9 April 2010 (EDT)

== Image Request ==
Can someone get the in-game models of the Toad Brigade members instead of the video camera-captured images? <span style="border:2px solid #060;background-color:#deepskyblue;font-timesnewroman;"> [[User:Pikmin1254|<b><span style="color:blue;">Pikmin</span></b>]][[User talk:Pikmin1254|<b><span style="color:purple;">1254]]</span></b>

I agree with Pikmin1254, that would look a lot better. Just look at the picture for the captain of the brigade. Call that a wiki-worthy pic? I'd do it myself if I knew how to, so either explain to me how to do it or can someone else take the time for the Brigade? {{User:Supershroom/sig}}

:Agreed, my phone takes better pictures than that. I would love to help, but unfortunately I don't have the game or anything... {{User|Bowser's luma}}

Looks like someone's done Red and Green already. Should I delete the old picture of Green?{{User:Supershroom/sig}}

==Toad Brigade in SMS==
How in the Mushroom World did you guys know the toads from the toad brigade are the SAME toads from super mario sunshine?{{User:Mr bones/sig}}

This has been covered in a previous section, look there, but I don't think we've really got a solution.{{User:Supershroom/sig}}

{{User|Platitudinous}} Maybe they are, maybe they aren't. It doesn't matter anyway.

I say they are, they are the same appearance in SMG2... {{User:Liamroche/sig}}

{{User|Chandud}} How would that be possible?! First of all, The Toad Brigade is in '''space''', so it would be weird. Second, they didn't even have their ship ready in Super mario galaxy 1 so I assume even if they '''were''' in Super mario sunshine, they would be a brigade in the making.

== A new Toad Brigade? ==

Although my memory of the specific dialogue is foggy, I believe some of the Red Toad's discussion with Mario early on in the game suggests that the ''Galaxy 2'' Toad Brigade is not the same group we came to know in the prequel. This would make sense, seeing how the original Brigade was promoted to Royal Guard status in the ending. Any thoughts? {{User:NMRodo/sig}}
:I just chalk it up to there being virtually no continuity between any of the Mario games, even in a sequel like Mario Galaxy 2.  :) [[User:UrsulaBoi|UrsulaBoi]] 19:21, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
::Super Mario Galaxy 2 has a clear continuity with Super Mario Galaxy 1, and actually happens right after the [[Grand Finale Galaxy]] level. Look at the Super Mario Galaxy part in the "References to other games" section for more detals. I personally think SMG2's Toad Brigade is another group of Toads. [[User:Koopalmier|Koopalmier]] 00:07, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
:::It is the same Toad Brigade. Nintendo rarely features continuity in their games. Super Mario Galaxy 2 does this for alot of characters such as Rosalina who Mario also doesn't recognize when he meets her (despite having met before). The reason is so that the game remains neutral to players who had not played the original game and still meet the characters in an introduction type of way.[[User:Propeller Toad|Propeller Toad]] 00:07, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

::::He says he has just been appointed captain of the Toad Brigade. I thought the same, but now that I think about it, he may be referring to the end of Galaxy 1, when he is appointed captain of the guard, though they maybe got confused when writing his dialogue. {{User:Supermariofan14/sig}}

maybe everyone missed the point of galaxy 1s ending, but the universe started afresh which means the old toad brigade technically is dead. this is also why mario doesn't recognise Rosalina. {{unsigned|Lu-igi board}}

== Three different "Toad Brigade"s ==

I think there are 3 different groups of Toads. [[Super Mario Sunshine]]'s has [[Toad]] as the leader (well, there's no leader, it's not even a brigade), and it appears during the intro of Super Mario Galaxy (where you see different colored Toads, but the red one has a blue vest). Then there's the one in [[Super Mario Galaxy]], and the one in [[Super Mario Galaxy 2]] (that is hinted to be another brigade). Should the Super Mario Sunshine part of the article be deleted ? Except if we get a proof from Nintendo that the leader of Super Mario Galaxy's Toad Brigade is Toad... [[User:Koopalmier|Koopalmier]] 00:11, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

== SMS? ==

No one knows if they are '''different''' Toads or not. [[User:Vinrulz | Cosmic Vin ]]
:They look different, have different personalities (or rather, the ones in Sunshine don't have any) and nothing proves they are the same. You could say that Nintendo later choosed to give them a role so they made them different, added personality, etc. but that's pure speculation. [[User:Koopalmier|Koopalmier]] 10:40, 31 October 2010 (UTC)


==TPP: Toad Brigade in SMS or not?==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|failed|0-27|''Super Mario Sunshine''&apos;s Toads are not the Toad Brigade}}
To settle this, are the toads that appeared in SMS actually the Toad Brigade?<br>
'''Proposer:''' {{user|Tucayo}}<br>
'''Deadline:''' Monday, January 17th, 2011, 23:59 GMT

===Yes===

===No===
#{{User|BabyLuigiOnFire}} It has never been confirmed that the Toads in Super Mario Sunshine are the Toad Brigade. Most evidence of this comes from speculation.
#{{User|Zero777}} I am Zero! Speculation speculation.... Zero signing out.
#{{User|Arend}} Like the others said, it's an unconfirmed speculation. The only confirmed proof is that they wear the same color of vests and Mushroom Cap spots. And there are a lot of Toads with those colorations...
#{{User|UltimatePetey}} Per BLOF. It has never been proved.
#{{User|LeftyGreenMario}} I actually attempted to delete the information about ''Super Mario Sunshine'' in the Toad Brigade article. I thought their "appearance" in ''Super Mario Sunshine'' is just baloney.
#{{User|Cosmic Red Toad}} per lgm.
#{{User|Ultramariologan}} Per all.
#{{User|Bowser's luma}} Per all.
#{{User|Fawfulfury65}} It's just speculation.
#{{User|Master Koopakid}} I've seem the pics, they may look like they are because of the color of there hat's but there probably not. Maybe nintendo got the idea of the Toad Brigade from SMS
#{{User|MarioManiac}} Per BLOF.
#{{User|Mariofanatic64}} Per all. The mere fact that the Toads in SMS were the same colors as the ones in SMG proves nothing. Furthermore, the SMG Toads were five random Toads who were stranded in space before Mario found them. And their personalities, as said, are completely different, in SMG they formed the Toad Brigade to help Mario, but in SMS, all they did was panic for about %60 of the game.
#{{User|Freakworld}} This Wiki is not built on spculations! It is made of ''Facts'' !
#{{User|WigglerWhoopin'Warrior135}} Per all.
#{{User|IGGY7735}} It's Possible, but it is mostly just speculation.
#{{User|Luigi Fan04}} i think no.
#{{User|Mr.C}} As interesting as it would be, there is no proof for this at all.
#{{User|Chandud}} Like it said in the article,they had not formed yet.They just had seprate personalities.
#{{User|Portal Mushroom}}Per all. Since when did the SMS Toads get bravery? Exactly.
#{{User|Phoenix}} I don't think so, why would they be...?
#{{User|New Super Mario}} Per BLOF
#{{User|Austinkshum}} Per all.
#{{User|Magikrazy51}} The way I see it, the Toads from SMS and Mario Superstar Baseball are little toad kids who are fans of the Toad Brigade (that or they're the Toad Brigade as kids.  I like the first idea better).
#{{User|Yoshigalaxy2}} They may look the same, but their roles in each game are completely different. In SMS, all they do is panic, In SMG and SMG2, they actually do things to help the player, you know!
#{{User|Pedrocolou}} Per all. Toad Brigade have a reason to appear in SMG. They are a brigade helping Mario! In SMS, I can't see any reason.
#{{User|Volatile Dweevil}} They have similar colors, but there's no proof.

===Comments===
In [[Banktoad]] article it says that one of the Toad Brigade's member was in SMS. {{User|FourPaperHeroes}} did that, not me. {{User:SWFlash/Sig}}
:Really? Where is the proof that this particular Green Toad is Banktoad? {{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} 20:38, 5 January 2011 (EST)
:Again, mere speculation --{{User:Tucayo/sig}} 21:50, 5 January 2011 (EST)

I am Zero! Somebody should remove that Super Mario Sunshine section in the banktoad article. Zero signing out. {{User|Zero777}}
:Yup, that will be removed too. --{{User:Tucayo/sig}} 12:41, 8 January 2011 (EST)

It is also in [[Blue Toad (Toad Brigade)|Blue Toad]], [[Mailtoad]] and [[Yellow Toad (Toad Brigade)|Yellow Toad]] articles. (BTW. where's Brigade Commander article??) {{User:SWFlash/Sig}}
:Brigade Commander is [[Toad]]. [[User:Koopalmier|Koopalmier]] 00:54, 10 January 2011 (EST)

@Liam: This proposal doesn't determine if the Toad Brigade of SMG2 is the same as the one SMG1 (since those ARE), but if the SMG1 Toad Brigade is the same as the group of Toads in SMS. {{User|Arend}}
:I am Zero! So invalid vote? Zero signing out. {{User|Zero777}}
::I say yes. Who disagrees? {{User|Arend}}
:He's probably don't have SMG1 so he compares it with SMG2. {{User:SWFlash/Sig}}
::Both SMGs contain the Toad Brigade, while SMS is debatable about that. How the fudge does Liam know SMS Toads are the same as the Toad Brigade, while comparing SMG2 with SMS, instead of SMG1 with SMS? He didn't even gave a reason why the Toads in SMG2 are the same. I think he compared SMG1 with SMG2 instead. Not because he may not have SMS, since I do not have that either. {{User|Arend}}

maybe everyone missed the point of galaxy 1s ending, but the universe started afresh which means the old toad brigade technically is dead. this is also why mario doesn't recognise Rosalina.
{{unsigned|Lu-igi board}}

There's no facts on this, so we can't really just "decide" {{User:New Super Mario/sig}}

Would you like to tell 23 people why, Liam? {{User|Magikrazy51}}

==Differences of the Toad Brigade Members between the ''Super Mario Galaxy'' games==

Do you guys think it would be plausible to add collective notes of some kind about the Toad Brigade members having different traits in ''Super Mario Galaxy'' and ''Super Mario Galaxy 2''? For example, here's some traits from both games I have noticed:
:'''Toad Brigade Captain''': While he is a coward in both games, in SMG2 he actually takes a part in dangerous situations to the point of foolish bravery (best seen in [[Bowser Jr.'s Boom Bunker]]) with his fellow Toads, compared to SMG1 where he leaves himself behind a lot.
:'''Blue Toad''': He remains pretty much the same.
:'''Green Toad''': While in SMG1 he is humble, hardworking and had no specific name, in SMG2 he became '''Banktoad''', became seemingly less humble and has a new trait of criticizing his Captain.
:'''Yellow Toad''': Retains his sleepy nature, but appears to be more serious in SMG2. He no longer dances in circles, for example.
:'''Mailtoad''': Has remained the same.
[[User:SmokedChili|SmokedChili]] ([[User talk: SmokedChili|Talk]]) ([[User:SmokedChili/Thoughts Page|Thoughts]]) 07.10, 4 January 2014 (EST)

== This picture... ==

[[File:SMG Prologue Toads.png|500px|thumbnail|Isn't the red Toad Toad?]]
In this picture, people think the Red Toad is Captain Toad. However, he is wearing a blue vest, and Captain Toad's vest is usually red. Since Toad's vest is blue, doesn't that make the Red Toad Toad?
:To me it's just five Toads of different colors, all of which have a chance of being generic Toads. It most certainly doesn't say anything about them being the Toad Brigade. I'd have this picture removed and replaced with something else. [[User:SmokedChili|SmokedChili]] ([[User talk: SmokedChili|Talk]]) ([[User:SmokedChili/Thoughts Page|Thoughts]]) 14:23, 21 June 2014 (EDT)

== Member Section Pictures ==

Can someone please replace the Member section's pictures with either artwork or odyssey screenshots for all of the members as the screenshots we have at the moment are pretty low quality --[[User:Seandwalsh|Seandwalsh]] ([[User talk:Seandwalsh|talk]]) 21:36, 26 October 2017 (EDT)

== Toad names ==

Is there an official source in which the names "Mailtoad" and "Banktoad" are used?--[[User:Alternis|Alternis]] ([[User talk:Alternis|talk]]) 06:43, 21 February 2019 (EST)
:''Super Mario Galaxy'' and ''Super Mario Galaxy 2'' in-game, though I'm unsure if these are proper names so much as occupations, and they're only applicable to those games. [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] ([[User talk:LinkTheLefty|talk]]) 06:54, 21 February 2019 (EST)
::Well, it wouldn't be the first time characters have had these kinds of "occupational" names (think Lady and Ossan). [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 02:06, 22 February 2019 (EST)

== [[Captain Toad#Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker|Purple Captain Toad]] ==

Purple Captain Toad is a member of the brigade, right? {{User|Weegie baby}} 21:00, October 28, 2024