Editing Talk:Tippi

Umm... i dont think that little fairies would be considered "butterflies''. [[User:Isyou|Isyou]] 18:14, 18 February 2007 (EST)

Yes, Nintendo Power clearly states that it is a butterfly. Though it isn't a partner, more like a guide you can find.{{User:Knife/sig}} 21:10, 23 February 2007 (EST)

Oooh. 0_O {{User:3dejong/sig|eek.}}

==Name==

In the new issue of Nintendo Power (issue 215), they refer to him as Tippi... Should we move this page title to another one? --[[User:Bentendo|Bentendo]] 15:27, 26 March 2007 (EDT)

how'd she get the name tippi if she lost her memory? [[User:Luigi time!|Luigi Time!]]

== Tipton? ==

Is the true? It seems a bit farfetched. -- [[User: Sir Grodus|Sir Grodus]]

The last two sentences are obviously untrue.<br>[[User:Confused|<span style="color:Red;">I</span>]] [[User talk:Confused|<span style="color:Blue;">am</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Confused|<span style="color:Green;">Confused</span>]] 12:15, 8 April 2007 (EDT)

I was wondering too.--{{User:Aipom/sig}}--

Tiptron is true from what I heard. You can buy the model from Francis, the lizard geek. {{User:Wayoshi/sig}} 12:16, 8 April 2007 (EDT)

I really don't think this is true...it seems....Un-Nintendo-like. {{User:Plumber/sig}} 12:18, 8 April 2007 (EDT)

I've heard the rumors, Dashell and Piccolo too. It's sort of like the end of Super Mario 64.--{{User:Aipom/sig}}--

I can assume Dashell makes Mario run faster, not sure about Piccolo. Wikipedia removed those characters so their probably not true. I don't think its true but if Wayoshi says so...<br>[[User:Confused|<span style="color:Red;">I</span>]] [[User talk:Confused|<span style="color:Blue;">am</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Confused|<span style="color:Green;">Confused</span>]] 12:27, 8 April 2007 (EDT)

Out of all of them, Dashell is the most believable.--{{User:Aipom/sig}}--

Well, Dashell is defintely real, he's in the player guide, but I'm not sure about Picolloo. {{User:YoshiFan/sig}}

Yes, I've completed the game, all of it is true. I got Tiptron, Piccolo but not Dashell :( oh, and [[Nastasia]]'s picture has proof.

{{User:Mat_rix_007/sig}}

Dashell (beat [[flipside]] Pit of 100 trials), tiptron (go to fort francis after you beat the game, bring 999 coins), and piccolo (sidequest to long to explain here) are all real! - Invincishroom eater
:Ya we kinda know that now, this section was made before the game was released. {{User:Great Gonzo/sig}}

== Married? ==

I doubt that. Is it true? {{User:Maxlover2/sig}}

Yes,I cant reveal the whole story but, Count Bleck and Tippi used to know each other before as different identities, Timpani and Blumiere. They really loved each other and wanted to get married but Timpani was human and Blumiere an unknown race of Shadow people, and according to his race's laws, they were not allowed to marry different species. Blumiere's dad transforms Timpani into a Pixl and sends her to a different dimension.
 
That's all i'm going to say;) {{User:Mat_rix_007/sig}}

I thought Merlon said that he turned Timpani into a Pixl because she was dying. {{User:Plumber/sig}}

Hey any quotes for this article?([[User:Super F22 Pilot|Super F22 Pilot]] 20:33, 12 December 2007 (EST))

== Just wondering... ==

Is "Tippy" a real name? {{User:Chris Helper/sig}}

No, 'TIPPI'. [[User:Sap|Sap]]

== Human looks? ==

Is there anything that shows her human looks?  I looked everywhere.  I even beat the game twice and still can not find it.
--[[User:Goombob|Goombob XD]] ([[User talk:Goombob|talk]]) 09:22, 14 May 2013 (EDT)goombob

No, Tippi DOES have a human form, just never shown in the game.{{User:Kingfawful4321/sig}}

== Originary from the Mushroom Kingdom? ==

In the intermission after Chapter 5, Timpani tells Blumiere that her village has a tradition and belief that wishes to the stars are granted. This is exactly how it is in the Mushroom Kingdom according to [[Paper Mario]]. Doesn't that highly hint at Timpani living in a village in the Mushroom Kingdom (possibly [[Toad Town]]) before she got banished by Blumiere's father? [[User:Koopalmier|Koopalmier]] ([[User talk:Koopalmier|talk]]) 20:46, 4 August 2013 (EDT)
: It's something, I suppose, but it's not exactly concrete. The idea of wishing on stars is a common staple of many different worlds, real and fictional. [[User:Sapientia|Sapientia]] ([[User talk:Sapientia|talk]]) 13:16, 21 January 2019 (EST)

== Backstory ==
As far as I am aware, the section of the page concerning Tippi's backstory is filled with theories and speculation -- and not even ''good'' speculation, as most of it goes against what we're told and shown in the game. I'm here to suggest that we change it up a bit, for the sake of improvement.

The bulk of speculation surrounds this notion that Blumiere's father cursed Timpani to wander through dimensions until she died. I've played the game through three or four times; no character ever states this as a fact, or even suggests it. All we know is that Blumiere's father did ''something'' to Timpani, told Blumiere she was no longer in their world, and that sometime later, she appeared in Flipside, gravely injured and with no memory. The "wander through worlds" part is also contradicted by how Tippi is able to recall the moment when Blumiere opened the Dark Prognosticus after Chapter 7 -- if she'd been banished from their world already, how could she have had a memory of that?

At the very least, I believe it would be best if we remove the "wander through dimensions" part of the article, and just say that Blumiere's dad did some unknown thing to Timpani and that she appeared mysteriously in Flipside an unknown amount of time late and by an unknown cause. However, I also have a better theory we could put in that has a base in certain in-game events...

'''The theory goes''' that Blumiere's dad "cursed" Timpani by [[Flip|flipping]] her into 3D, and that's it. We know from the scenario with Red the bridgemaster in Yold Town that characters in 2D are unable to see or communicate with those in 3D. After she got flipped, Timpani sought help from Blumiere, but he didn't know she was there, so she was forced to watch as he turned on his father, stole the Dark Prognosticus, and used it to wipe out his people -- ''that's'' how she was able to remember it later, and it was whatever Blumiere did with the book (and her proximity to it) that nearly killed her, erased her memory, and landed her in Flipside.

I know this is all speculative, but it's not any more conjectural than what the article is saying now, and is at least centered around the properties of an ability that's significant to the game itself. If we're going to allow theories in the main segment of the page, we should at least go with ones that make a bit of sense in context. If we don't want to go with theories, we should take out what's written there now and leave it at "Something happened to Timpani that we don't know about." [[User:Sapientia|Sapientia]] ([[User talk:Sapientia|talk]]) 13:16, 21 January 2019 (EST)
:Having played SPM myself, I can confirm that the explicit nature of the curse is never confirmed. For all we know, the curse was just "you're a butterfly now". I support de-speculating the section entirely and leaving it as "we don't know". [[User:Superchao|Superchao]] ([[User talk:Superchao|talk]]) 13:48, 21 January 2019 (EST)
::Actually, it is true that she was cursed to wander through dimensions. Merlon says that he found her that way when he found her. And he says this saying after chapter 4 is completed. {{User:Yoshi the Space Station Manager/sig}} 14:03, 21 January 2019 (EST)
:::I would agree with removing speculation that makes no sense at all, but I do want to point out that [[MarioWiki:Good_writing%23Reading_between_the_lines|policy]] specifically mentions that it is okay for ''Super Paper Mario'' character articles to have some speculation, as long as it is backed up and logical. --{{User:TheFlameChomp/sig}} 14:16, 21 January 2019 (EST)
::::If the claim about tidbits of the story is backed up by the game, we should specify it. In this case, we can state something like "she was cursed to wander through dimensions, according to Merlon when he found her in Chapter 4". {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 15:51, 21 January 2019 (EST)
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 :::I would agree with removing speculation that makes no sense at all, but I do want to point out that [[MarioWiki:Good_writing%23Reading_between_the_lines|policy]] specifically mentions that it is okay for ''Super Paper Mario'' character articles to have some speculation, as long as it is backed up and logical. --{{User:TheFlameChomp/sig}} 14:16, 21 January 2019 (EST)
 ::::If the claim about tidbits of the story is backed up by the game, we should specify it. In this case, we can state something like "she was cursed to wander through dimensions, according to Merlon when he found her in Chapter 4". {{User:Bazooka Mario/sig}} 15:51, 21 January 2019 (EST)
-== Memories ==
-This page states that the "Memory" scenes that play at the end of each chapter barring Chapter 8, which consist of merely words and the Memory themes playing, are in fact Tippi gradually regaining her lost memories after Blumiere's father erased them. However, the List of Super Paper Mario music page states that they are Blumiere's, e.g. "Memory 4 ... plays over Blumiere's final memory." I think that this is inconsistent and thus at least one of these pages should be changed. I had to post this here because I am yet to be autoconfirmed so cannot create Talk:List of Super Paper Mario music. [[User:MiracleDinner|MiracleDinner]] ([[User talk:MiracleDinner|talk]]) 06:10, July 31, 2019 (EDT)