Editing Talk:The Legend of Zelda (television series)

Okay, so there were minor connects (e.g.Mario's mother likes this show) but why do we have this on a MARIO wiki? [[User:HyperToad|HyperToad]]

:The series was advertisd by Mario and Luigi a lot, and in a way, The Legend of Zelda show was still part of the Super Show. The Legend of Zelda even aired with a live-action segment featuring Mario. Lotsa connections. <span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''aper '''Jorge'''</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Paper Jorge|Talk]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Paper Jorge|Contributions]])<tt>&middot;</tt></small>[http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/382576 GENO WHIRL!]
::I see your point, but still, it seems too remote... [[User:HyperToad|HyperToad]]

:::It does, but it's also a popular show in [[Earth|the real world]]. It's just like [[Toad Force V]]. <span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''aper '''Jorge'''</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Paper Jorge|Talk]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Paper Jorge|Contributions]])<tt>&middot;</tt></small>

== Title card error ==

I've read that apparently, when it was playing as part of "Captain N and the Game Masters", the title cards for "Underworld Connections" and "Doppelganger" were switched around. Is this true, or did the person who wrote that just remember wrong? I find it rather odd, since I'd always thought that the titles were animated with the rest of the show.--[[User:Racoon Koopa|Racoon Koopa]] 20:06, 29 December 2010 (EST)

== Delete The Legend of Zelda ==
{{Settled TPP}}

{{Proposal outcome|failed|1-8|keep}}

I really don't understand what this article is doing on a Mario wiki. Sure it has some connections, but other than having mario characters advertise this show and prieviews airing on the Super Mario Bros. Super Show it has no relation to the Mario series. The article even says that the series is unrelated to the Mario series. This is not something that should be on this wiki.
 
'''Proposer''': {{User|Commander Code-8}} <br>
'''Deadline''': April 27, 2012, 23:59 GMT
 
====Support====
#{{User|Commander Code-8}} Per my proposal 
 
====Oppose====
#{{User|Raven Effect}} It aired side by side to the Mario Cartoon (I think they were combined much like Grim and Evil) and the live action and Mario/guest stars would tell the audience to watch the Zelda Cartoon meaning that the Zelda Cartoon itself exists in the Mario Universe so I think this article is necessary
#{{User|Walkazo}} - Per Raven Effect. Not including it would be a big hole in our coverage, and it's not like we're making pages for every episode.
#{{User|GreenDisaster}} This essentially falls under the same area as [[NBA Street V3]] and [[SSX on Tour]]; Mario series is involved, but we only limit it to one article.
#{{User|RandomYoshi}} &ndash; Per all.
#{{User|Yoshidude99}} It is still Linked to Mario.
#{{User|Mario4Ever}} Per Raven Effect.
#{{User|LeftyGreenMario}} I would also like to point out that this article is mostly about how it appears with the Fake Mario Show and how it is referenced. This article does not go into details about what the episodes are or what the plot in general is or such. If this article detailed about the episodes and such, then I might consider it for deletion. However, this article is here simply for coverage because it is mentioned in the Fake Mario Show. Therefore, it should stay.
#{{User|Akfamilyhome}} Per Raven Effect.

====Comments====
'''GreenDisaster''': This does not fall under the same area as the aforementioned games because they went as far as having Mario characters playable. From what I know the Zelda cartoon had no characters from the Mario series appear in it. {{User|Commander Code-8}}

== We should talk about this one ==

As far as I can tell, there is nothing ''Mario''-related about this. 
# ''[It] was part of the same syndication package as The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!'' | I can't recall a single instance of this wiki covering something just because it was grouped with a ''Mario'' product.
# ''...Though it was still accompanied by live-action segments featuring Mario and Luigi'' | We cover these segments already, it shouldn't mean this series deserves to have a separate page.
# ''Some of these segments were included as part of The Legend of Zelda's later DVD release because Mario, Luigi, and/or the guest star would speak out to the audience to promote that week's episode of The Legend of Zelda, showing a preview consisting of scenes from the upcoming episode.'' | Same as before, these segments are covered separately.
# ''The Super Mario Bros. Super Show! and The Legend of Zelda would sometimes reference each other.'' | Referential coverage was never "good enough" for something to be covered separately on this wiki. The ending song "Do the Mario" is not enough either (it has a separate page as well).
In conclusion, this show only references (and is referenced by) the ''The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!'' and cross-promotes it. There is very little overlap (like the ending song), but it's not nearly enough to consider it a guest appearance title. [[User:Axii|Axii]] ([[User talk:Axii|talk]]) 02:15, December 31, 2024 (EST)

:{{@|Axii}} I'm in favor of this article being deleted and redirected to ''The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!'' [[User:Super Mario RPG|Super Mario RPG]] ([[User talk:Super Mario RPG|talk]]) 07:49, December 31, 2024 (EST)
::I converted the page into a redirect. [[User:Apikachu68|Apikachu68]] ([[User talk:Apikachu68|talk]]) 15:49, December 31, 2024 (EST)
:::This seems like a hastily made decision, especially since this page's existence is (sorta) part of the [[MarioWiki:Coverage|coverage policy]] as the edge case for what is on the wiki. I have no opinion on this, just here to sound the proverbial policy alarm. [[User:Salmancer|Salmancer]] ([[User talk:Salmancer|talk]]) 15:52, December 31, 2024 (EST)
:::I kind of expected a proposal, which is why I didn't act sooner. [[User:Salmancer|Salmancer]] ([[User talk:Salmancer|talk]]) 15:53, December 31, 2024 (EST)

== A proposal to overwrite a decade old proposal ==
{{TPP}}
This page is only referentially related to the ''Super Mario'' franchise and does not have enough overlapping elements to consider it a guest appearance title. The arguments in support of keeping this page were rather weak as well: references to and from ''[[The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!]]'' aren't consequential enough to create a separate page. This wiki usually handles it on the list of references to/from the ''Super Mario'' franchise. However, to quote the page, "though it was still accompanied by live-action segments featuring Mario and Luigi. Some of these segments were included as part of The Legend of Zelda's later DVD release because Mario, Luigi, and/or the guest star would speak out to the audience to promote that week's episode of The Legend of Zelda, showing a preview consisting of scenes from the upcoming episode." I was sure this wiki already covered these segments separately, but I couldn't find the page for them. If the page doesn't exist, it should be created. As suggested by Camwoodstock, the ''[[The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!]]'' should have a sub-section explaining the overlap between the two shows.

If this proposal passes, this page will be redirected to ''[[The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!]]''.<br>[[MarioWiki:Coverage#Package deals]] would also need to be updated, as it mentions this show.

'''Proposer:''' {{User|Axii}}<br>
'''Deadline:''' January 16, 2025, 23:59 GMT

=== Support ===
#{{User|Axii}} Per proposal.
#{{User|Super Mario RPG}} All of the cross references between ''Super Mario'' and ''The Legend of Zelda'' can be referred to easily on ''The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!'' and it helps avoid redundancy. Also, we have Zelda Wiki for those who want to help out with information on the Zelda TV show, and I think Nintendo101 is going to create a page summing up ''The Legend of Zelda'' content in ''Super Mario'' media. Basically, this article is redundant.
#{{User|Camwoodstock}} After seeing the current state of the Super Show article--seriously, we're quite surprised at how much it's been whipped into shape since last we saw it, and it (for the most part) suitably covers the dual release with this show--and with the "if this passes, we will merge some information over to it into a dedicated section" in mind, we understand where this proposal is coming from a lot better. Our only real concerns are some weird edge cases, like how to cross-link to the Zelda Wiki, but it's nothing substantial enough that we don't feel confident in switching our vote around.
#{{User|Soshi The Yoshi}} Per all. Unlike ''Captain N: The Game Master'', there is not enough Mario influences that warrant a separate page besides maybe the exclusive live-action segments, so a brief section on the main ''Super Show!'' article is more suitable for the Zelda cartoon.
#{{User|Starluxe}} Per all
#{{User|Mario}} I disagree with LeftyGreenMario in the older proposal, whoever that was. Not very relevant to MarioWiki outside of a trivia point in the ''The Fake Mario Show'' page. Merge and redirect.
#{{User|FanOfYoshi}} Per Mario. Merge redirect
#{{User|Technetium}} Well, excuuuuuse me, per all!

=== Oppose ===
<s>#{{User|Camwoodstock}} This might be a hot take (we can't tell, this is the first vote that isn't the creation of the proposal), but we think this article still has ''some'' merit. It's nice to have an article explaining the whole "brother/sister show" release that this had with ''Super Show'', as well as consolidating the references to/from the ''Super Show'', all into the same article. While the relevance of the show itself is dubious, the circumstances surrounding it aren't, if that makes any sense. We also disagree heavily with the idea of redirecting to ''Super Show'' if this passes; unless we intend to merge the information about the mutual releases to the page, a redirect like that would feel almost nonsensical to someone not already aware of the fact the two shows were linked like that.</s>

=== Comments ===
{{@|Camwoodstock}} It can be easily explained on the main article itself. (In fact, it already is!) [[User:Axii|Axii]] ([[User talk:Axii|talk]]) 10:15, January 2, 2025 (EST)
:<s>We SWEAR this wasn't there like a week ago, when did an entire column of the Zelda cartoon releases in the releases section spawn in--</s> Oh! While we still personally would rather keep the page, we do at least understand the thought process for the redirect and are fine with that much. We would maybe like to suggest at least a sub-section in the "Production" section explaining the dual show-thing, with merging some of its information over? As it stands, the Zelda cartoon information is still a bit spread out. {{User:Camwoodstock/sig}} 10:21, January 2, 2025 (EST)
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 == A proposal to overwrite a decade old proposal ==
-{{settled TPP}}
+{{TPP}}
-{{proposal outcome|passed|12-0|Delete the article}}
 This page is only referentially related to the ''Super Mario'' franchise and does not have enough overlapping elements to consider it a guest appearance title. The arguments in support of keeping this page were rather weak as well: references to and from ''[[The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!]]'' aren't consequential enough to create a separate page. This wiki usually handles it on the list of references to/from the ''Super Mario'' franchise. However, to quote the page, "though it was still accompanied by live-action segments featuring Mario and Luigi. Some of these segments were included as part of The Legend of Zelda's later DVD release because Mario, Luigi, and/or the guest star would speak out to the audience to promote that week's episode of The Legend of Zelda, showing a preview consisting of scenes from the upcoming episode." I was sure this wiki already covered these segments separately, but I couldn't find the page for them. If the page doesn't exist, it should be created. As suggested by Camwoodstock, the ''[[The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!]]'' should have a sub-section explaining the overlap between the two shows.
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 '''Proposer:''' {{User|Axii}}<br>
-'''Deadline:''' <s>January 16, 2025, 23:59 GMT</s> Closed early on January 9, 2025, 23:59 GMT
+'''Deadline:''' January 16, 2025, 23:59 GMT
 === Support ===
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 #{{User|Super Mario RPG}} All of the cross references between ''Super Mario'' and ''The Legend of Zelda'' can be referred to easily on ''The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!'' and it helps avoid redundancy. Also, we have Zelda Wiki for those who want to help out with information on the Zelda TV show, and I think Nintendo101 is going to create a page summing up ''The Legend of Zelda'' content in ''Super Mario'' media. Basically, this article is redundant.
 #{{User|Camwoodstock}} After seeing the current state of the Super Show article--seriously, we're quite surprised at how much it's been whipped into shape since last we saw it, and it (for the most part) suitably covers the dual release with this show--and with the "if this passes, we will merge some information over to it into a dedicated section" in mind, we understand where this proposal is coming from a lot better. Our only real concerns are some weird edge cases, like how to cross-link to the Zelda Wiki, but it's nothing substantial enough that we don't feel confident in switching our vote around.
-#{{User|Soshi The Yoshi}} Per all. Unlike ''Captain N: The Game Master'', there is not enough Mario influences to warrant a separate page besides maybe the exclusive live-action segments, so a brief section on the main ''Super Show!'' article is more suitable for the Zelda cartoon.
+#{{User|Soshi The Yoshi}} Per all. Unlike ''Captain N: The Game Master'', there is not enough Mario influences that warrant a separate page besides maybe the exclusive live-action segments, so a brief section on the main ''Super Show!'' article is more suitable for the Zelda cartoon.
 #{{User|Starluxe}} Per all
 #{{User|Mario}} I disagree with LeftyGreenMario in the older proposal, whoever that was. Not very relevant to MarioWiki outside of a trivia point in the ''The Fake Mario Show'' page. Merge and redirect.
-#{{User|FanOfYoshi}} Per Mario. Merge + redirect
+#{{User|FanOfYoshi}} Per Mario. Merge redirect
 #{{User|Technetium}} Well, excuuuuuse me, per all!
-#{{User|Harvstar}} Per all; maybe this would be more relevant (to the Mario series) if there were at least some cameos or something, but there aren't
-#{{User|ThePowerPlayer}} Besides references, this has nothing to do with ''Super Mario''. Just put the info on other articles.
-#{{User|BMfan08}} Per all.
-#{{User|KamekSans}} Per all. If we're being technical, it's ''part'' of ''The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!'', but it itself has nothing to do with ''Mario'' other than that, and can be safely relegated to a section in the main article.
 === Oppose ===
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 {{@|Camwoodstock}} It can be easily explained on the main article itself. (In fact, it already is!) [[User:Axii|Axii]] ([[User talk:Axii|talk]]) 10:15, January 2, 2025 (EST)
 :<s>We SWEAR this wasn't there like a week ago, when did an entire column of the Zelda cartoon releases in the releases section spawn in--</s> Oh! While we still personally would rather keep the page, we do at least understand the thought process for the redirect and are fine with that much. We would maybe like to suggest at least a sub-section in the "Production" section explaining the dual show-thing, with merging some of its information over? As it stands, the Zelda cartoon information is still a bit spread out. {{User:Camwoodstock/sig}} 10:21, January 2, 2025 (EST)
-== How should we deal with articles linked to this show? ==
-The deletion of this page has lead to some unexpected issues. I deleted [[Ganon]]'s DiC section. Should [[Link]]'s DiC cartoon appearances be deleted as well? What of DIC section in [[List of fighters debuting in Super Smash Bros. Melee]]? Should we severely trim ''[[Captain N: The Game Master]]''?--[[User:Platform|Platform]] ([[User talk:Platform|talk]]) 07:33, January 10, 2025 (EST)
-:As I understand policy, Captain N is completely unaffected. The above proposal decided the corner case of the Legend of Zelda show shouldn't count just because the show was broadcasted and syndicated alongside a Mario tv show. While Captain N's third season is a package deal with ''Super Mario World'', and is listed in that part of MarioWiki:Coverage, that package deal is not why it has a page and sections on other pages (It's the explanation for why each episode of Captain N doesn't have an article.) Captain N has a page and sections on other pages because its a guest appearance because Donkey Kong is a recurring character in the show. So cutting down on Captain N is an entirely different subject, first it would have to lose its "guest appearance" status. [[User:Salmancer|Salmancer]] ([[User talk:Salmancer|talk]]) 08:17, January 10, 2025 (EST)
-:I bring worse news. [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/53#Remove information about Captain N: The Game Master + Captain Rainbow from non-Mario subjects|The failure of a proposal about removing Captain N data for non-Mario characters failing from 2019]] actually implies that Ganon's DIC section gets to stay. [[User:Salmancer|Salmancer]] ([[User talk:Salmancer|talk]]) 11:04, January 10, 2025 (EST)
-::The problem with Ganon is that he appears in only a single episode of ''Captain N'', which does not have Donkey Kong or any ''Super Mario'' character or element. There is no crossover event, it's purely packaged deal. I think this goes for other characters like [[Dr. Light]]. For Link, he appears with Donkey Kong only in [https://captainn.fandom.com/wiki/When_Mother_Brain_Rules#Character_appearances one episode], so I think the DIC section should be rewritten to focus entirely on that.--[[User:Platform|Platform]] ([[User talk:Platform|talk]]) 20:54, January 10, 2025 (EST)