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==Merge [[Tanooki Mario]] to [[Tanooki Suit]]==
==Merge [[Tanooki Mario]] to [[Tanooki Suit]]==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{SettledTPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|failed|1-4|do not merge}}
<span style="color:red;font-family:Comic Sans MS;font-size:150%">Don't MERGE 1-4</span>


I read them and they say pretty much the same thing so I propose we merge them together.
I read them and they say pretty much the same thing so I propose we merge them together.
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====Comments====
====Comments====
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How do i get pictures on to this? i have great pics of tanooki mario but i can't figure out how.
How do i get pictures on to this? i have great pics of tanooki mario but i can't figure out how.
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==Split [[Tanooki Mario]] and [[Statue Mario]]==
==Split [[Tanooki Mario]] and [[Statue Mario]]==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{SettledTPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|passed|23-0|split}}
<span style="color:green;font-family:Comic Sans MS;font-size:150%">SPLIT 23-0</span>


In [[Super Mario 3D Land]] Statue Mario is a completely different form. It is obtained by a different Powerup, it has a different effect and the form looks different. The Statue ability from Super Mario Bros 3. was a part of Tanooki Mario's ability. In Super Mario 3D Land Nintendo turned it into a completely different powerup. It needs to be split! Oh, and this is my first proposal so tell me if I did something wrong ;)
In [[Super Mario 3D Land]] Statue Mario is a completely different form. It is obtained by a different Powerup, it has a different effect and the form looks different. The Statue ability from Super Mario Bros 3. was a part of Tanooki Mario's ability. In Super Mario 3D Land Nintendo turned it into a completely different powerup. It needs to be split! Oh, and this is my first proposal so tell me if I did something wrong ;)
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== Split [[Tanooki Mario]] and [[Tanooki Mario#White Tanooki Mario|White Tanooki Mario]]==
== Split [[Tanooki Mario]] and [[Tanooki Mario#White Tanooki Mario|White Tanooki Mario]]==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{SettledTPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|passed|7-0|split}}
<span style="color:green;font-family:Comic Sans MS;font-size:150%">SPLIT 7-0</span>
 


Yes, White Tanooki Mario is like a version of Tanooki Mario, but, this form isn't the same. White Tanooki Mario is a look-alike. Also, Mario gets White Tanooki Mario when use an Invincibility Leaf instead of a Super Leaf.
Yes, White Tanooki Mario is like a version of Tanooki Mario, but, this form isn't the same. White Tanooki Mario is a look-alike. Also, Mario gets White Tanooki Mario when use an Invincibility Leaf instead of a Super Leaf.
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The Tanooki Toads and Tanooki Peach so much resemble their forms of the Tanooki Suit powerup from the PC fan game [http://gaming.wikia.com/wiki/Super_Mario_Bros._X Super Mario Bros. X]. I don't think Nintendo is stealing this concept, it was just a common idea.
The Tanooki Toads and Tanooki Peach so much resemble their forms of the Tanooki Suit powerup from the PC fan game [http://gaming.wikia.com/wiki/Super_Mario_Bros._X Super Mario Bros. X]. I don't think Nintendo is stealing this concept, it was just a common idea.
{{unsigned|Tryloubliss}}
{{unsigned|‎Tryloubliss}}


:Of course, Nintendo knew about ''Super Mario Bros. X''. Almost every official concepts were based on the fandom of the ''Mario'' series, just as [[White Tanooki Mario]] and [[White Raccoon Mario]]'s design are kind of based on Mario's super form from ''Super Mario Bros. Z''. Venus Ice Trap existed in the fandom before ''New Super Mario Bros. U''. But I doubt we'd have to point all of them out on the articles.--[[User:Prince Ludwig|Prince Ludwig]] ([[User talk:Prince Ludwig|talk]]) 21:18, 21 September 2013 (EDT)
:Of course, Nintendo knew about ''Super Mario Bros. X''. Almost every official concepts were based on the fandom of the ''Mario'' series, just as [[White Tanooki Mario]] and [[White Raccoon Mario]]'s design are kind of based on Mario's super form from ''Super Mario Bros. Z''. [[Venus Ice Trap]] existed in the fandom before ''New Super Mario Bros. U''. But I doubt we'd have to point all of them out on the articles.--[[User:Prince Ludwig|Prince Ludwig]] ([[User talk:Prince Ludwig|talk]]) 21:18, 21 September 2013 (EDT)


== Peach Suit ==
== Peach Suit ==
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== Create a Tanooki Mario (character) article ==
== Create a Tanooki Mario (character) article ==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{SettledTPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|failed|1-9|do not create}}
<span style="color:red;font-family:Comic Sans MS;font-size:150%">DON'T CREATE 1-9</span>


Tanooki Mario need his own article, This is a separate character from [[Mario]] in [[Mario Kart 8]], we have Metal Mario (character) and Metal Mario (form). We even have [[Bowser Jr.]] being split from [[Shadow Mario]] after he only appear one time as a character. So, why not?
Tanooki Mario need his own article, This is a separate character from [[Mario]] in [[Mario Kart 8]], we have [[Metal Mario (character)]] and [[Metal Mario (form)]]. We even have [[Bowser Jr.]] being split from [[Shadow Mario]] after he only appear one time as a character. So, why not?


'''Proposer''': {{User|LudwigVon}}<br>
'''Proposer''': {{User|LudwigVon}}<br>
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== Split between Super Mario Bros. 3 and Super Mario 3D Land forms ==
== Split between Super Mario Bros. 3 and Super Mario 3D Land forms ==
{{Settled TPP}}
{{SettledTPP}}
{{Proposal outcome|canceled}}
<span style="color:grey;font-family:Comic Sans MS;font-size:150%">CANCELLED BY PROPOSER</span>


While Tanooki Mario looks pretty close to the original form outside of the hat visor, it has changed fairly drastically since its appearance in ''Super Mario Bros. 3'' and its remakes/re-releases. The primary difference is that it no longer has its signature transformation, a move which was instead given to Statue Mario. It also no longer flies and instead the emphasis is on slow descent (one can argue that it flies during the ending, but it could just as easily be them gliding from Bowser's tall tower to the Mushroom Castle - note that the Toads are obviously flailing, not to mention that flight is supposed to be limited in the first place rather than indefinite like the tail wagging). We have on record that the Tanooki Mario was chosen as a costume because it offered a better visual difference, so with that in mind, the intent of this version of the Super Leaf power-up was to harken back to the Tanooki Suit of old ''visually'', but not in actual ''performance''. In addition, the back of the original (Japanese) ''Super Mario 3D Land'' box labels it as an [http://www.gamefaqs.com/3ds/620831-super-mario-3d-land/images/box-214533 all-new power-up.]
While Tanooki Mario looks pretty close to the original form outside of the hat visor, it has changed fairly drastically since its appearance in ''Super Mario Bros. 3'' and its remakes/re-releases. The primary difference is that it no longer has its signature transformation, a move which was instead given to Statue Mario. It also no longer flies and instead the emphasis is on slow descent (one can argue that it flies during the ending, but it could just as easily be them gliding from Bowser's tall tower to the Mushroom Castle - note that the Toads are obviously flailing, not to mention that flight is supposed to be limited in the first place rather than indefinite like the tail wagging). We have on record that the Tanooki Mario was chosen as a costume because it offered a better visual difference, so with that in mind, the intent of this version of the Super Leaf power-up was to harken back to the Tanooki Suit of old ''visually'', but not in actual ''performance''. In addition, the back of the original (Japanese) ''Super Mario 3D Land'' box labels it as an [http://www.gamefaqs.com/3ds/620831-super-mario-3d-land/images/box-214533 all-new power-up.]


'''Proposer''': {{User|LinkTheLefty}}<br>
'''Proposer''': {{User|LinkTheLefty}}<br>
'''Proposed Deadline''': July 11, 2015, 23:59 GMT<br>
'''Deadline''': July 11, 2015, 23:59 GMT
'''Date Withdrawn:''' June 28, 2015


===Support===
===Support===
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:At some point, that line was scrubbed out, presumably because English sources eventually started referring to the suit as a Kitsune, but the note remained. I'd also vouch for removing the note, since we definitely have at least one English source (namely the SSB3DS trophy) that clearly calls Luigi a Kitsune. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 18:37, 1 November 2016 (EDT)
:At some point, that line was scrubbed out, presumably because English sources eventually started referring to the suit as a Kitsune, but the note remained. I'd also vouch for removing the note, since we definitely have at least one English source (namely the SSB3DS trophy) that clearly calls Luigi a Kitsune. {{User:Time Turner/sig}} 18:37, 1 November 2016 (EDT)
::I don't feel this is something I should make a TPP for, so should I go ahead an remove it if at least one official English source says it's Kitsune Luigi? {{User:Alex95/sig}} 19:53, 1 November 2016 (EDT)
::I don't feel this is something I should make a TPP for, so should I go ahead an remove it if at least one official English source says it's Kitsune Luigi? {{User:Alex95/sig}} 19:53, 1 November 2016 (EDT)
:::Sure, that should be fine.
:::{{User:YoshiKong/sig}} 19:56, 1 November 2016 (EDT)
== Split sections between Tanooki Mario and Kitsune Luigi ==
{{settled TPP}}
{{proposal outcome|failed|0-14|Do not split}}
Tanooki and Kitsune have different appearances. They have same abilities but are opposites, so it should have two infoboxes. The article will be renamed as {{fake link|Tanooki Mario and Kitsune Luigi}}. Besides Luigi, other characters haven't had Kitsune form yet, but Toadette will getting this form likely. I would like to split it into two sections. This applies to infobox and <s>gallery, and language (order change),</s> list of appearance (if the list table created).
{{form infobox
|title=Tanooki Mario and Kitsune Luigi
|image=[[File:TanookiMarioSM3DL.png|125px]][[File:Kitsune Luigi.png|125px]]<br>Artwork of [[Tanooki Mario]] (left) and [[Kitsune Luigi]] (right) from ''[[Super Mario 3D Land]]'', respectively
|first_appearance=''[[Super Mario Bros. 3]]'' ([[List of games by date#1988|1988]], Tanooki)<br>''[[Super Mario 3D Land]]'' ([[List of games by date#2011|2011]], Kitsune)
|applies_to='''Tanooki:'''<br>''Character''<br>'''Kitsune:'''<br>''Character''
}}
Besides their first appearance, the infobox contents are not displayed as they may change time passes. However, "Applies to" is listed as <code>''Character''</code>.
'''Proposer''': {{User|Windy}}<br>
'''Deadline''': November 10, 2024, 23:59 GMT
====Support (Split sections)====
====Oppose (Status quo)====
#{{User|Arend}} I think it's going to look real clunky to have an article ''renamed'', as well as include ''a whole second infobox'', ''just'' to accommodate to Luigi having an alternate name and appearance to what is functionally the same thing ([[Fire Piranha Plant|some]] [[Thwomp|articles]] would simply put two images in the same infobox instead, y'know?). Judging by [[MarioWiki:Proposals/Archive/70#Separate character content for transformations in the Gallery|a previous failed proposal of yours]], I don't think it's worth it to split the gallery, either. Proposal also argues that, while Luigi is currently the only one to get the Kitsune form, Toadette "will getting this form likely", which is ''entirely speculative'' because there's literally nothing supporting the idea that Toadette would get the Kitsune form beyond her being a counterpart to Toad (so does that mean Daisy is "likely" getting it too, then? Not only is she Peach's counterpart but also Luigi's (supposed) love interest, after all). In addition, if this proposal passes, that means we'd have to do the same thing with [[Raccoon Mario]] and [[Gold Mario]], thanks to ''New Super Mario Bros. 2'' introducing Fox Luigi and Silver Luigi, and I imagine this would be equally clunky, if not ''more so''. Splitting the language section is fine since we've done this with many other subjects, but since this is already implemented, the proposal instead suggests to change the order, which I don't see the point of with everything I've said in mind.
#{{User|Nightwicked Bowser}} Per Arend. Kitsune is entirely an aesthetic difference and functions exactly the same.
#{{User|Sparks}} Per all.
#{{User|PrincessPeachFan}}: Nope.
#{{User|Nintendo101}} Per all.
#{{User|ThePowerPlayer}} Per all.
#{{User|TheFlameChomp}} Per all.
#{{User|Technetium}} Per all.
#{{User|Sdman213}} Per all.
#{{User|EvieMaybe}} as the local tanuki expert, this is a bad idea
#{{User|EleCyon}} Please don't. It's like splitting [[Gold Mario]] and Silver Luigi, and possibly even [[Boomerang Mario]], Boomerang Luigi, Boomerang Peach, and Boomerang Toad.
#{{User|DryBonesBandit}} Per all, particularly Arend.
#{{User|Salmancer}} For the sake of fingers, I value concise titles some what slightly over semantics.  I do think there's space in the intro to emphasize more that Kitsune Luigi is a special case.
#{{User|Pizza Master}} Lol, no. It'd make more sense anyway to create a proposal for splitting the two versions into different articles but since it's literally the same power up for both characters, that wouldn't make much sense. Per all.
====Comments====
:The infobox is updated to two images in one infobox. Included their two appearances. [[User:Windy|Windy]] ([[User talk:Windy|talk]]) 06:54, October 27, 2024 (EDT)
{{@|Windy}} The creators of proposals can vote in them too! You can cast a vote. {{User:Sparks/sig}} 07:58, October 27, 2024 (EDT)
If we did this, then we would have to rename a ton of articles as well, which we're obviously not doing. [[User:PrincessPeachFan|PrincessPeachFan]] ([[User talk:PrincessPeachFan|talk]]) 08:31, October 27, 2024 (EDT)

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