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==The Silhouettes==
==The Silhouettes==
I can see Bowser's horns and head in the black silhouettes. Should we mark it? --[[User:Play Dash|Super Ultra Maker Power Mega Sugar Meme Wario Monkey And Knucklescube Cast Ultimate Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch, new Funky Mode!]] ([[User talk:Play Dash|talk]]) 05:22, 9 March 2018 (EST)
I can see Bowser's horns and head in the black silhouettes. Should we mark it? --[[User:Play Dash|Super Ultra Maker Power Mega Sugar Meme Wario Monkey And Knucklescube Cast Ultimate Smash Bros. For Nintendo Switch, new Funky Mode!]] ([[User talk:Play Dash|talk]]) 05:22, 9 March 2018 (EST)
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:I personally think each character should get a small table on their own pages, rather than one big one on the game page. Something like this:
:I personally think each character should get a small table on their own pages, rather than one big one on the game page. Something like this:


{{fake heading|3|Classic Mode route}}
<div id=fh3 class=mw-headline>Classic Mode route</div>
{| class="wikitable" style="margin: auto;"
{| class="wikitable" style="margin: auto;"
!colspan="3"|Let's-a Go!
!colspan="3"|Let's-a Go!
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{| border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=3 style="border:1px solid black; border-collapse:collapse" width =100%
{| border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=3 style="border:1px solid black; border-collapse:collapse" width =100%
|-
|-
! colspan=2 width=25% style="background:#e6000d" | {{color link|white|'''01''' Mario}}
! colspan=2 width=25% style="background:#e6000d" | {{color-link|'''01''' Mario|white}}
! colspan=2 width=25% style="background:#966033" | {{color link|white|'''02''' Donkey Kong}}
! colspan=2 width=25% style="background:#966033" | {{color-link|'''02''' Donkey Kong|white}}
! colspan=2 width=25% style="background:#2ec29d" | {{color link|white|'''03''' Link}}
! colspan=2 width=25% style="background:#2ec29d" | {{color-link|'''03''' Link|white}}
! colspan=2 width=25% style="background:#eb7209" | {{color link|white|'''04''' Samus}}
! colspan=2 width=25% style="background:#eb7209" | {{color-link|'''04''' Samus|white}}
|-
|-
! colspan=2 | [[File:Mario SSBUltimate.png|115x115px]]
! colspan=2 | [[File:Mario SSBUltimate.png|115x115px]]
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|'''Final Smash || Zero Laser
|'''Final Smash || Zero Laser
|-
|-
! colspan=2 width=25% style="background:#142042" | {{color link|white|'''04ε''' Dark Samus}}
! colspan=2 width=25% style="background:#142042" | {{color-link|'''04ε''' Dark Samus|white}}
! colspan=2 width=25% style="background:#2ff504" | {{color link|white|'''05''' Yoshi}}
! colspan=2 width=25% style="background:#2ff504" | {{color-link|'''05''' Yoshi|white}}
! colspan=2 width=25% style="background:#FF6da3" | {{color link|white|'''06''' Kirby}}
! colspan=2 width=25% style="background:#FF6da3" | {{color-link|'''06''' Kirby|white}}
! colspan=2 width=25% style="background:#d9b533" | {{color link|white|'''07''' Fox}}
! colspan=2 width=25% style="background:#d9b533" | {{color-link|'''07''' Fox|white}}
|-
|-
! colspan=2 | [[File:Dark Samus SSBU.png|115x115px]]
! colspan=2 | [[File:Dark Samus SSBU.png|115x115px]]
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|'''Final Smash || Team Star Fox
|'''Final Smash || Team Star Fox
|-
|-
! colspan=2 width=25% style="background:#eded3e" | {{color link|white|'''08''' Pikachu}}
! colspan=2 width=25% style="background:#eded3e" | {{color-link|'''08''' Pikachu|white}}
! colspan=2 width=25% style="background:#1dc435" | {{color link|white|'''09''' Luigi}}
! colspan=2 width=25% style="background:#1dc435" | {{color-link|'''09''' Luigi|white}}
! colspan=2 width=25% style="background:#f54200" | {{color link|white|'''10''' Ness}}
! colspan=2 width=25% style="background:#f54200" | {{color-link|'''10''' Ness|white}}
! colspan=2 width=25% style="background:#e6bc25  | {{color link|white|'''11''' Captain Falcon}}
! colspan=2 width=25% style="background:#e6bc25  | {{color-link|'''11''' Captain Falcon|white}}
|-
|-
! colspan=2 | [[File:Pikachu SSBU.png|115x115px]]
! colspan=2 | [[File:Pikachu SSBU.png|115x115px]]
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!style="font-size:12px" width="19%"|Final Smash
!style="font-size:12px" width="19%"|Final Smash
|-
|-
!align=center colspan="2"|[[File:Mario SSBUltimate.png|120x120px]]<br> '''01''' [[Mario]] [[File:Mario_Emblem.png|30px]]
!align=center colspan="2"|[[File:Mario SSBUltimate.png|120x120px]]<br> '''#01''' [[Mario]] [[File:Mario_Emblem.png|35px]]
|''Mario is an all-around fighter who uses his wide variety of techniques to respond to any situation. In Super Smash Bros. Ultimate, he shows up in his Wedding tux and his Builder outfit, and Cappy even makes an appearance!''
|Mario is an all-around fighter who uses his wide variety of techniques to respond to any situation. In Super Smash Bros. Ultimate, he shows up in his Wedding tux and his Builder outfit, and Cappy even makes an appearance!
|Neutral - [[Fireball]]<br>Side - [[Cape]]<br>Up - [[Super Jump Punch]]<br>Down - [[F.L.U.D.D.]]
|Neutral - [[Fireball]]<br>Side - [[Cape]]<br>Up - [[Super Jump Punch]]<br>Down - [[F.L.U.D.D.]]
|[[Mario Finale]]
|[[Mario Finale]]
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===Unlockable characters===
===Unlockable characters===
|-
|-
!align=center colspan="2"|[[File:PeachSSBU.png|120x120px]]<br> '''13''' [[Princess Peach|Peach]][[File:Mario_Emblem.png|30px]]
!align=center colspan="2"|[[File:PeachSSBU.png|120x120px]]<br> '''#13''' [[Princess Peach|Peach]][[File:Mario_Emblem.png|30px]]
|''THE super princess. Watch out for her powerful kicks while she's airborne. Using her down special, she picks vegetables and throws them at her opponents. Sometimes she even gets items...like a Bob-omb!''
|THE super princess. Watch out for her powerful kicks while she's airborne. Using her down special, she picks vegetables and throws them at her opponents. Sometimes she even gets items...like a Bob-omb!
|Neutral - [[Toad]]<br>Side - [[Peach Bomber]]<br>Up - [[Peach Parasol]]<br>Down - [[Vegetable]]
|Neutral - [[Toad]]<br>Side - [[Peach Bomber]]<br>Up - [[Peach Parasol]]<br>Down - [[Vegetable]]
|[[Peach Blossom]]
|[[Peach Blossom]]
|-
|-
!align=center colspan="2"|[[File:Marth SSBU.png|120x120px]]<br> '''21''' [[Marth]][[File:FireEmblem Emblem.png|30px]]
!align=center colspan="2"|[[File:Marth SSBU.png|120x120px]]<br> '''#21''' [[Marth]][[File:FireEmblem Emblem.png|30px]]
|''Marth is an exceptional swordfighter with a long reach. He'll do the most damage with attacks using the tip of his sword, so spacing is an important factor.''
|Marth is an exceptional swordfighter with a long reach. He'll do the most damage with attacks using the tip of his sword, so spacing is an important factor.
|Neutral - [[Shield Breaker]]<br>Side - [[Dancing Blade]]<br>Up - [[Dolphin Slash]]<br>Down - [[Counter]]
|Neutral - [[Shield Breaker]]<br>Side - [[Dancing Blade]]<br>Up - [[Dolphin Slash]]<br>Down - [[Counter]]
|[[Critical Hit]]
|[[Critical Hit]]
|-
|-
!align=center colspan="2"|[[File:WiiFitTrainer SSBU.png|120x120px]]<br> '''47''' [[Wii Fit Trainer]][[File:Wii Fit series icon.png|30px]]
!align=center colspan="2"|[[File:Ryu SSBU.png|120x120px]]<br> '''#60''' [[Ryu]][[File:StreetFighterEmblem.png|30px]]
|''A fighter that attacks with healthy moves like stretching and yoga poses. You can pick between male and female versions. Charging up Sun Salutation all the way recovers a bit of health!''
|Ryu is a special character—you can use directional command inputs to trigger his special moves. Executing moves like his Hadoken and Shoryuken using the command inputs from the original game will raise their power. You can even use a Shakunetsu Hadoken by inputting ←↙↓↘→ then tapping the attack button while facing right!
|Neutral - [[Sun Salutation]]<br>Side - [[Header]]<br>Up - [[Super Hoop]]<br>Down - [[Deep Breathing]]
|[[Wii Fit]]
|-
!align=center colspan="2"|[[File:PalutenaSSBU.png|120x120px]]<br> '''54''' [[Palutena]] [[File:KidIcarus_Emblem.png|30px]]
|''With her wings and staff, this goddess's attacks cover a wide range. With her up smash, neutral special, and side special, she can create a ranged attack in almost every direction except for directly beneath her! Keep the pressure on your opponents from a distance with ranged attacks!''
|Neutral = [[Autoreticle]]<br>Side - [[Explosive Flame]]<br> Up - [[Warp]]<br>Down - [[Counter]]/[[Reflect Barrier]]
|[[Black Hole Laser]]
|-
!align=center colspan="2"|[[File:Ryu SSBU.png|120x120px]]<br> '''60''' [[Ryu]][[File:StreetFighterEmblem.png|30px]]
|''Ryu is a special character—you can use directional command inputs to trigger his special moves. Executing moves like his Hadoken and Shoryuken using the command inputs from the original game will raise their power. You can even use a Shakunetsu Hadoken by inputting ←↙↓↘→ then tapping the attack button while facing right!''
|Neutral - [[Hadoken]]<br>Side - [[Tatsumaki Senpukyaku]]<br>Up - [[Shoryuken]]<br>Down - [[Focus Attack]]
|Neutral - [[Hadoken]]<br>Side - [[Tatsumaki Senpukyaku]]<br>Up - [[Shoryuken]]<br>Down - [[Focus Attack]]
|[[Shin Shoryuken]]/[[Shinku Hadoken]]
|[[Shin Shoryuken]]/[[Shinku Hadoken]]
|-
!align=center colspan="2"|[[File:Bayonetta SSBU.png|120x120px]]<br> '''63''' [[Bayonetta]][[File:Bayonetta.png|30px]]
|''An Umbra Witch who equips guns on her arms and legs, Bayonetta has mastered the beautiful but brutal Bullet Arts fighting style. She can even slow down her opponents with Witch Time!''
|Neutral - [[Bullet Climax]]<br>Side - [[Heel Slide]]/[[After Burner Kick]]<br>Up - [[Witch Twist]]<br>Down - [[Witch Time]]
|[[Infernal Climax]]
|-
!align=center colspan="2"|[[File:Incineroar SSBU.png|120x120px]]<br> '''69''' [[Incineroar]][[File:Pokemon Emblem.png|30px]]
|''A fighter with many special moves that appear to come from the world of pro wrestling. Incineroar has many moves from its original game, like Darkest Lariat, Cross Chop, and Revenge. Its Final Smash is Max Malicious Moonsault. Let the Z-Power explode and deliver a powerful blow!''
|Neutral - [[Darkest Lariat]]<br>Side - [[Alolan Whip]]<br>Up - [[Cross Chop]]<br>Down - [[Revenge]]
|[[Max Malicious Moonsault]]
|-
|-
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!colspan=5 style="font-size:12px"|
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===Downloadable characters===
===Downloadable characters===
|-
|-
!align=center colspan="2"|[[File:Luminary SSBU.png|120x120px]]<br> '''72''' [[Hero]][[File:DragonQuestEmblem.png|30px]]
!align=center colspan="2"|[[File:Luminary SSBU.png|120x120px]]<br> '''#72''' [[Hero]][[File:DragonQuestEmblem.png|30px]]
|''The Hero from the DRAGON QUEST® XI game joins Super Smash Bros.™ Ultimate as a playable fighter! Wielding the Supreme Sword of Light and a trusty shield, he can slice his foes and block incoming attacks. When Hero pulls up his Command Selection screen, he’ll have access to a random selection of spells that could turn the tide of battle in his favor!''
|The Hero from the DRAGON QUEST® XI game joins Super Smash Bros.™ Ultimate as a playable fighter! Wielding the Supreme Sword of Light and a trusty shield, he can slice his foes and block incoming attacks. When Hero pulls up his Command Selection screen, he’ll have access to a random selection of spells that could turn the tide of battle in his favor!
|Neutral - [[Frizz/Frizzle/Kafrizz]]<br>Side - [[Zap/Zapple/Kazap]]<br>Up - [[Woosh/Swoosh/Kaswoosh]]<br>Down - [[Command Selection]]
|Neutral - [[Frizz/Frizzle/Kafrizz]]<br>Side - [[Zap/Zapple/Kazap]]<br>Up - [[Woosh/Swoosh/Kaswoosh]]<br>Down - [[Command Selection]]
|[[Gigaslash]]
|[[Gigaslash]]
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:::I'm fine with this table as long as we get rid of the "#" signs and as long as we have an official description for every fighter. [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 23:34, November 21, 2019 (EST)
:::I'm fine with this table as long as we get rid of the "#" signs and as long as we have an official description for every fighter. [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 23:34, November 21, 2019 (EST)
::::The descriptions were not made by myself, they were officially written for each fighter on the Super Smash Bros Blog on the game's official site. [[User:Gameboy2345|Gameboy2345]] ([[User talk:Gameboy2345|talk]]) 02:03, November 22, 2019 (EST)
::::The descriptions were not made by myself, they were officially written for each fighter on the Super Smash Bros Blog on the game's official site. [[User:Gameboy2345|Gameboy2345]] ([[User talk:Gameboy2345|talk]]) 02:03, November 22, 2019 (EST)
:::::Exactly, as long as every fighter has some kind of official description we can pull from somewhere, and we don't write up any on our own, then it's fine imo. [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 02:10, November 22, 2019 (EST)
:::::I actually considered adding the Smash Blog bios for the descriptions when I was [https://www.mariowiki.com/index.php?title=User:Mario_jc/sandbox&oldid=2475366 sandboxing] a possible revamp for the section a while back, so I'm fine with this as well. (Since they're quoted text, they should be ''italicised''.) {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 03:53, November 22, 2019 (EST)
::::::For starters, the sandboxed table revamp looks good to me and I am OK with that as well. Anything else we could add to the table or is there enough information? [[User:Gameboy2345|Gameboy2345]] ([[User talk:Gameboy2345|talk]]) 07:36, November 22, 2019 (EST)
:::::::This looks good, no suggestions from me other than agreeing with removing the # signs. However, I'd like to point out that certain moves like [[Counter]] are disambiguation pages, and should link to the proper sections for each fighter instead. I personally prefer this table to the one in Mario jc's sandbox. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 12:37, November 22, 2019 (EST)
::::::::Just got rid of the # signs for each of the fighters, I will replace the links for the counters in a later edit. In the meantime there are some more profiles above. [[User:Gameboy2345|Gameboy2345]] ([[User talk:Gameboy2345|talk]]) 06:33, November 25, 2019 (EST)
== Descriptions ==
Someone is saying we have to make original descriptions for characters, but why? If other games (like the ''Mario & Sonic'' games) have to have descriptions that present either in-game or on an official website, what's this game's excuse? [[User:Prpro&#61;03|PrPro03]] ([[User talk:Prpro&#61;03|talk]]) 08:47, May 24, 2020 (EDT)
:From what I see, the quoted descriptions seem to only focus on how the characters differentiate from past games. They are okay to stay, but ideally, there should also be original descriptions summarizing each character's properties and moveset overall. The ''[[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]'' article can be used a reference. I wouldn't take the ''Mario & Sonic'' pages as model to be honest. {{User:Bye Guy/Sig}} 09:08, May 24, 2020 (EDT)
::But isn't that the whole point of SmashWiki though, to give detail on the fighter's movesets? [[User:Prpro&#61;03|PrPro03]] ([[User talk:Prpro&#61;03|talk]]) 11:03, May 24, 2020 (EDT)
:::MarioWiki tends not to delve into strategy or metagame topics, hence it would be best to keep the descriptions to "official profiles" rather than in-depth descriptions of how the characters play, or their properties (the properties can go in their own pages). [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 17:46, May 24, 2020 (EDT)
::::So it might be a bit late to weigh in on this, but I think having only official descriptions is the way to go. Having original write-ups for each fighter in a series with mechanics as complex as Smash is a slippery slope to strategy-based writing, overly long descriptions, or worse, personal opinions and bias, many of which I already see forming here; Mario's description refers to three of his moves as being "great",  while Joker and Hero's descriptions have become very long as a result of the unique mechanics of both fighters. Leave the complexities to SmashWiki, I say. --{{User:Waluigi Time/sig}} 22:22, May 30, 2020 (EDT)
:::::Agreed; even in trying to shorten and resize them, they take up too much of the table. {{User:Mario jc/sig}} 22:26, May 30, 2020 (EDT)
::::::Should we include a link to each character's SmashWiki page so people who want that analytical stuff can go right to it? [[User:Prpro&#61;03|PrPro03]] ([[User talk:Prpro&#61;03|talk]]) 21:06, May 31, 2020 (EDT)
:::::::I don't think it's a bad idea, considering if you just wanted to go to Mario's ''Smash'' info it would be rather cumbersome to go through his entire page just to get to the Smash section, and then click on a further link. Either that, or we could link each character on the ''SSBU'' page to link to their ''Smash'' section on their own page. [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 22:19, May 31, 2020 (EDT)
I'm just going to document what [[User:Prpro&#61;03|PrPro03]] wrote in their edit summaries regarding the descriptions (before these get lost over time) - while the base characters' descriptions are from the ''SSBU'' website blog, the DLC fighters' descriptions come from the DLC page of the website, and Piranha Plant's comes from the eShop. [[User:MarioComix|MarioComix]] ([[User talk:MarioComix|talk]]) 04:47, June 3, 2020 (EDT)
== Items ==
Just a quick thing, I noticed that Super Launch Star was placed before Rage Blaster, Ramblin’ Evil Mushroom and Staff, even in alphabetical order it would be after those three. {{unsigned|BackfireFirst}}
:I'm not sure if that's the in-game order, I haven't checked. {{User:Ray Trace/sig}} 14:24, January 22, 2021 (EST)

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