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== Event Matches ==
I think that the "description" column of the event matches table shouldn't list the game's in-game description, but one written by us describing the event match more thoroughly (like on [[Super Smash Bros. Melee#Event Match|Melee]]). - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 17:13, 25 February 2008 (EST)
:... you just want to complicate the things >_> {{User:McDimentio/sig}}
::If it is necessary, then yes. Just using the same descriptions as the game isn't really helpful and descriptive at all, they should only be used as direct quotes. We want to create our own article on Brawl that covers it, not to showcase the game. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 16:18, 26 February 2008 (EST)

== Pikachu’s Down Special Move ==

Hey look at Pikachu’s Down Special Move [http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/pikachu.html#2nd this site]. {{user:Gissy/sig}}
:It appears that using the move midair will be much more important this time around.  Doing that would appear to give the element of surprise and avoid people from absorbing the electricity. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 21:51, 26 February 2008 (EST)

== Items missing! ==

Major items are missing from the item list. One is the Deku Nut; http://www.brawlcentral.com/?p=items this page tells you about its effects. Also the Hothead item is missing. The "spike ball" is actually called the Unira (from Clu Clu Land) and is also described at this link. The Ray Gun and Timer Mine are also missing. This website will also provide you with some good pics of these and other items. --[[User:Sabishii Kage|Sabishii Kage]] 01:39, 27 February 2008 (EST)
:Strange. I thought that I added the Ray Gun some time ago after I realized that it was missing. Editing this page is a problem because it's edited so frequently (the page with most revisions on the wiki by far) that your edits might be overwritten by another user who edits it at the same time and doesn't get caught by the Edit Conflict window. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 10:04, 27 February 2008 (EST)
Wow, lol. Well, I hope that user realizes that we are missing out (if he/she cares). Especially the two new items (Deku Nut and Hothead). Another user even asked a question asking what these two items where on the item list from the game photo.

== Full stage liist. ==

I have found a website that has a complete list of every stage in brawl, each with pictures. They are:

Battlefield-Super Smash Bros

Final Destination-Super Smash Bros

Delfino Plaza-Super Mario Bros

Luigi's Mansion-Super Mario Bros

Mushroomy Kingdom-Super Mario Bros

Mario Circuit-Super Mario Bros

Rumble Falls-Donkey Kong

The Bridge of Eldin-The Legend of Zelda

The Great Sea-The Legend of Zelda

Norfair-Metroid

Frigate Orpheon-Metroid

Yoshi's Island-Yoshi

Battleship Halberd-Kirby

Lylat Cruise-Starfox

Pokémon Stadium 2-Pokémon

Spear Pillar-Pokémon

Port Town Aero Dive-F-Zero

Castle Siege-Fire Emblem

WarioWare-WarioWare

Distant Planet-Pikmin

Smashville-Animal Crossing

New Pork City-Earthbound

The Summit-Ice Climber

Skyworld-Kid Icarus

75m-Donkey Kong

Mario Bros.-Super Mario Bros.

Flat Zone 2-Game & Watch

PictoChat-PictoChat

Elektroplankton-Elektroplankton

Shadow Moses Island-Metal Gear

Green Hill Zone-Sonic The Hedgehog

Temple-The Legend of Zelda

Yoshi's Island-Super Mario Bros. & Yoshi

Jungle Japes-Donkey Kong

Onett-Earthbound

Corneria-Starfox

Rainbow Cruise-Super Mario Bros.

Green Greens-Kirby

Big Blue-F-Zero

Brinstar-Metroid

Pokémon Stadium-Pokémon{{unsigned|Kirbychu}}

== Lucario's Final Smash ==

The next one changing the name of Lucario's Final Smash please adds a reference for the name to it, we are in no need for edit wars. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 11:11, 27 February 2008 (EST)
:It's Aurastorm. Or at least that's the article name. Btw, can't we all just wait till March 9?{{User:Mariofanical/sig}} 19:03, 27 February 2008 (EST)
Yea, It seems like that would be the best thing to do. Let's just wait. --[[User:Sabishii Kage|Sabishii Kage]] 22:24, 27 February 2008 (EST)

== Item section ==

I don't like the new layout of the item section. The images are too small, and Crate, Barrel, Capsule and Party Ball(!) aren't simply the same thing. I'd say we should use the images of the items' trophies, as done in the Melee article. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 13:01, 3 March 2008 (EST)
:I think the icons are cool...{{User:McDimentio/sig}}
::There's nothing wrong with them. Plus, those items are in one spot because that's how it is in the actual game. I didn't upload all of these images so they could be taken down because they don't suit a user's taste. [[User:Fixitup|Fixitup]]
:::The items are different in the actual game. They just put one icon for the ''item switch'' to turn all containers on/off. Another reason why those icons are unhandy, we should use the trophies instead. Party Balls are just simply different from capsules. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 16:06, 3 March 2008 (EST)
::::I agree with Cobold on this. Sorry, Fixit, but, Trophy Images would work a little bit better. These images are too small, and as Cobold said, some items, like the Crates, are seperate. {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}}

Whatever. If I recall, a similar incident had occurred before, and the people not on my side got their way, so I doubt this'll be any different. Just to be completely fair though, there should be a proposal. Regardless of the outcome, I won't complain. [[User:Fixitup|Fixitup]]
:The thing with the icons is that you can actually see the article pretty well, whereas when we keep using trophies, it's a lot more difficult to see.  But... I could see making an exception for the party ball only.  I mean, couldn't you just specify the differences between containers? {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 18:10, 3 March 2008 (EST)
::Yes, and there's obviously enough room too. [[User:Fixitup|Fixitup]]
:::Fixitup, why don't you make that edit just to show them what you're talking about.  I think it should be pretty quick. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 21:06, 3 March 2008 (EST)

We now have ALL of the official artwork for the [[Items]] in ''[[Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]''. Who thinks we should replace the Images in the image section of this article with the Official Artwork? {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}}
:Yeah, the official artwork from today's Dojo article would fit best. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 10:13, 5 March 2008 (EST)
::This isn't fair at all! You guys didn't even have a proposal about that change! Until there is a proposal, and everyone agrees on one thing, it should stay with the other images. [[User:Fixitup|Fixitup]]
:::I don't think we need a proposal about every tiny thing, we could simply solve issues as they should be in the first place... not by a fight vote, but my talking and persuading. It was neither me nor Pokémon DP who went ahead with the change. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 15:56, 5 March 2008 (EST)
::::1. Uploading dozens of images that get replaced with no fair reasoning is not a SMALL issue. 2. I didn't insinuate it was you or DP that made the change, I was simply following the posts at hand ('you guys' can refer to anyone). [[User:Fixitup|Fixitup]]
:::::Righto, I backup-linked the images from my user space so that they don't get devoured by the unused images hunters (a.k.a people like me) while we're resolving this. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 16:18, 5 March 2008 (EST)
Some Items don't have icons, that's the why the artworks are better {{User:McDimentio/sig}}

Fixit, its not that we don't appreciate your work. Its not like that at all. You went through a lot of trouble to upload those images, we understand. But, you have to understand, you aren't always the one with the right answer. Official artwork works better than tiny icons from the game. Sorry, but, it just seems a bit more logical to use the official artwork, but, that's what I think of the situation. {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}}

It's ok, seriously. I understand the situation. I was obviously just upset because I wasted my time on uploading those icons. Also, I think there should be some notification in the article that certain items aren't the same as others, as items like keys cannot be selected for free play and such. [[User:Fixitup|Fixitup]]

Sounds good to me! Thanks for understanding. And, don't worry, your work on uploading those images was appreciated. ;) {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}}

== How to unlock the other stages ==
I'm sure we could wait and all but GameFaqs and BrawlCentral have the info on how to unlock the stages not told on Smashbros.com. BrawlCentral has some good pics you can use too. Here are the links if you wanna edit them in: http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/wii/code/928518.html or http://www.brawlcentral.com/content.php?p=hidden_stages
--[[User:Sabishii Kage|Sabishii Kage]] 01:05, 5 March 2008 (EST)

== Bosses ==

I was wondering if we could move the bosses down from the story and into the modes section.  If they're telling part of the story, I'm sorry, I haven't read it for spoiler purposes, but right now it seems strange that we'd be listing them before anything else about the game. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 16:39, 5 March 2008 (EST)

== "Make your own music!?" ==

Whoa whoa, I just read that next to the Electoplankton stage. I think we all need some clarity here. By make your own music do you mean that there's a feature under the options or something thats like a music maker? Or does bouncing on certain things in the stage make music and you just make it as you play? Or can you just simply play any song from MyMusic there? --[[User:Sabishii Kage|Sabishii Kage]] 23:05, 5 March 2008 (EST)

:Turns out Hanenbow/Electroplankton has no music '''at all''' other than fish music and stuff like that. The user probably meant something about choosing any music from MYMUSIC. http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif<span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''aper '''Jorge'''</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Paper Jorge|Talk]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Paper Jorge|Contributions]])<tt>&middot;</tt></small>http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif

== Mr. Saturn ==

I hereby officially propose the removal of the following line from the description of [[Mr. Saturn]]:
<blockquote>When the user throw Mr. Saturn into a solid object, he gives a little cry of "puuu!"</blockquote>
Reason: Irrelevant.
{{User:Cobold/sig}} 11:42, 7 March 2008 (EST)
:no way, it's an information and isn't irrelevant, all depends of what you think it's Irrelevant. {{User:McDimentio/sig}}
::Then, could you please elaborate why it is so important? Or should be descripe sound effects everywhere? - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 14:42, 7 March 2008 (EST) <small>"When Mario springs, you can hear a "boing" sound."</small>
:::Besides, the old description was more professional-sounding. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 14:49, 7 March 2008 (EST)
::::This is ridiculous, I like the sound effect descriptions. They make me happy. Leave them be and find something more important to remove. --[[User:Sabishii Kage|Sabishii Kage]] 14:54, 7 March 2008 (EST)
:::This probably belongs on the item's page.  The item section here is just for big ideas, I always thought. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 18:05, 7 March 2008 (EST)

Guys, that line describing its sound effect is highly irrelevant to THIS article. However, there is [[Mr. Saturn|another]] article that could use this information. {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}}
:Like I said above. :) ...so you're not alone in this view. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 20:44, 7 March 2008 (EST)

== 2 flippin days ==

2 days before BRAWL comes out here:-)
--[[User:Blue Koop|Blue Koop]] 23:56, 7 March 2008 (EST)

This talk page is for discussing problems with the article and ways of improving it, not to discuss how awesome the game is, or to remind us when the game is released. {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}}

== Clones ==

A certain [[User:McVader|someone]] keeps removing the Clone sentence from the respective Clone Character articles. Flick through Recent Changes, and you'll notice he's been in an edit war on almost all those pages. So, since he thinks he's the only right person, I believe the public should decide wether or not the Clone Characters in Brawl are actually Clones or not. I posted this here, since it refers to all the Brawl Clone Characters in general. {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}}
:"since he thinks he's the only right person" wrong. a lot of people say it, and you dont have brawl, you cant stand an opinion at it. I, however, can explain why they arent  clones {{User:McDimentio/sig}}

If you remember correctly, Jorge - who has the game - also fought your opinion that they aren't clones. I'm just saying, as a Wiki, all the Users should be able to decide if a dilemma like this occurs. I'm not reverting your edits, mind you, I'm waiting to see what others have to say first. {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}}
:"I'm not reverting your edits, mind you", I know, but they aren't clones. {{User:McDimentio/sig}}
::Okay, let's think about this: what is the definition of a clone?  They can have different stats, such as speed and attack (Cap'n Falcon --> Ganondorf) as long as they have the same special moves.  I think that's how it's been with the ''Brawl'' "clones" right? {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 14:14, 16 March 2008 (EDT)
:hmm, no, you can see ganondorf side b is diferent from cpt falcon {{User:McDimentio/sig}}
::Not having played the game, I can't say.  Who changed from Melee, Ganon or Falcon? {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 20:58, 16 March 2008 (EDT)

:::Ganondorf is MUCH less a clone now. He is even heavier, has a couple of new smash moves, and his special moves are even different. His Dark dive can do dammage on it's own (as in he doesn't actually have to grab the opponent to do damage to characters in SSE and to hit targets and such) and his Flame Choke is no longer a clone of C. Falcon's Raptor Boost; he now takes off at the player and when he connects he grabs the opponet by the neck, holds them in the air, then laughs and makes an explosion blow them away. There's probably even more differences but I need to play with him more first. Falcon is almost exactly the same except his Falcon Punch can be 180'd in mid-move and has a larger hit radius. Melee had clones imo too, but in Brawl I say there are no clones. Fox, Falco, and Wolf for example may have the same general ideas for their moves (and final smashes of coerce) but are TOTTALY different characters. --[[User:Sabishii Kage|Sabishii Kage]] 02:14, 17 March 2008 (EDT)
::::Totally different? That one made me laugh. Having at least ''one move'' the same makes them not totally different. There are less similarities between movesets in Brawl, but there are similarities, big similarities still. Call it "clone" or not, but don't argue against them. E.g., Link and Toon Link are very similar. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 08:28, 17 March 2008 (EDT)
Wolf IS tottaly different{{User:McDimentio/sig}}
:He has the same Final Smash. One equality => not total (with one t) difference. I didn't say anything more, I don't know the characters. But "totally different" is still an exagarration. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 11:38, 17 March 2008 (EDT)
::just da landmaster, and the wolf's landmaster is different {{User:McDimentio/sig}}
Why don,t we simply say "X characters are moves similar to X character blablabla."? I'm pretty sure "Clone" is a fanmade term, anyway. --[[User:Blitzwing|Blitzwing]] 16:30, 17 March 2008 (EDT)
::::Wolf is considerably different compared to Fox, and is not a clone. However, Toon Link and Link have identical moves, up to the final smash. None of the effects of the attack differ, (damage percent does not count) and thus Toon Link is a CLONE. Although changed a little in the new game, it's debatable to whether Falco is a clone of Fox, however. {{User:Garlic Man/sig}}
:boomerang =/= gale boomerang, clawshot=/= hookshot, his backward aerial is different, too. His down aerial makes a wave when landing. and people, clones = same moveset (ALL) without difference but the effects {{User:McDimentio/sig}}

:::::They changed Wolf's moves. They changed Falco's moves. And with Luigi Tornado, Luigi's much different. But then there's Toon Link. They barely changed him. Sure the arrows go straight and the boomerang just hirs player and bounces back instead of using a tonrado and bringing them closer and stuff but yah. They have the same moves, same Final Smash which works exactly the same, same bombs and same Up B. They didn't change him much! Other than arrow, boomerang and yes of course statistics (he's faster yet weaker) he's a clone. Just because two moves are slightly different, he is still a clone. A proposal should be made, no? http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif<span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''aper '''Jorge'''</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Paper Jorge|Talk]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Paper Jorge|Contributions]])<tt>&middot;</tt></small>http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif And the Clawshot/Hookshot doesn't make that much of a difference.

::::::I agree with Jorge. Wolf and Luigi are out of the question, and Falco has been changed some since Melee. As for Toon Link, he is a clone. Clone doesn't mean Identical moveset. If it were, it would be the same character. Just like Mario = Mario (der). Although the ''names'' of the attacks are different, the functions are ''very'' similar. Conclusion: Toon Link is a Clone. {{User:Garlic Man/sig}}

:::::::Of course. When I started this whole clone thing, I tried to leave everyone out of the talk except for Toon Link. He's the only one I will consider true clone. http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif<span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''aper '''Jorge'''</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Paper Jorge|Talk]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Paper Jorge|Contributions]])<tt>&middot;</tt></small>http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif
:Didn't Sakurai say that he was going to avoid repeat characters?  He hasn't said anything different yet, has he?  And then the clone term is a conjectural term anyway... I honestly don't see the problem with noting the similarities in movesets, then moving on. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 20:09, 17 March 2008 (EDT)
::No, he didn't. Fans put it into his mouth. A.k.a "rumor". - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 20:11, 17 March 2008 (EDT)

:::Indeed. Te rumor also said that there were 50 characters in the game. Hmm... http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif<span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''aper '''Jorge'''</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Paper Jorge|Talk]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Paper Jorge|Contributions]])<tt>&middot;</tt></small>http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif
::Jorge, I'm sure you know this, but just because one rumor was based in fan speculation doesn't mean they all are.  For example, the "rumor" that I am currently searching for the source of seems to have at least some roots in this [http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http://www.livewii.fr/news/9350/Des-nouvelles-tetes-pour-Super-Smash-Bros-Brawl.html radio interview].  I found you guys a French site, so the translation is off, but you'll get it.  Basically the article claims (maybe you know something about the website?) that Sakurai promised to change Falco so that he wouldn't be a "clone."  Now, if this is really where it all came from, I'll be disappointed.  I'm still looking for the quote that I sincerely believe Sakurai said at some point in time.  It was something to the extent of knowing that people were dissapointed with use of characters based off of other characters, and that he would like to avoid them this time around.  I'll let you know if I have any luck. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 21:37, 17 March 2008 (EDT)
:::Okay, so here's the deal: I just realized that the arguement over whether or not this is a rumor is null.  What we should be debating is whether the use of a fan-made term is acceptable on a Wiki that typically condemns fan creations as "non-canon" (see [[MarioWiki:Canonicity]]).  I'm hearing from the vocal members of the support side of this arguement that only special moves matter, yet when we change our focus to another wiki, such as [http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/wiki/Clone_characters Smash Wiki], they've created "semi-clones" -- characters whose special moves are the same but A button attacks are different, which is exactly what we're seeing in McVader's arguments.  In other words, this entire argument is pointless -- the definition of this unofficial term varies by website.  So, we can either rely on it and cause confusion on the part of the reader, or we can include a few more words on each page to describe that Ganon's special moveset closely replicates Captain Falcon's, but his normal attacks are different.  Your choice. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 21:47, 17 March 2008 (EDT)

::::If Sakurai said it, then that must mean the word "clone" is not an unofficial name, no? And if that's so, then how do we know who's a clone, who's not?http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif<span style="font-family:verdana; color:#red;"><font size="5">'''[[User:Paper Jorge|P]]'''aper '''Jorge'''</font></span><small> ( [[User talk:Paper Jorge|Talk]]<tt>&middot;</tt>[[Special:Contributions/Paper Jorge|Contributions]])<tt>&middot;</tt></small>http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3473/linkswordmi2.gif

Hmmm... If Sakurai DID, in fact, say something about "clones" in Brawl, then the term is not fan-made. We have no proof on this, however. We have no proof "clone" is an official term. We have no proof that "clones" are decided by similar special moveset. We have no proof that "clones" are decided by moveset and statistics as a whole. I finally realize, we have no proof on ANY of this. As such, I propose we just replace "??? is a clone of ???" with "??? has a similar moveset to ???, but has a few notable differences", or something like that (maybe go a bit more in-depth). We are supposed to make articles longer, anyway. {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}}
:Exactly.  The word clone just encourages shortness and no depth of thought, y'know?  By the way, I'm sorry if I'm seeming short tonight.  I've got a really weird cold.  Anyway, Jorge, the quote I'm looking for doesn't mention clones, but he talks about characters who are copies of others.  So, I say go with DP until something comes up that's official. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 02:01, 18 March 2008 (EDT)
::Since it's ALL a matter of opinion, I think '''none''' of them should be called "clones", but rather, "character with similliar movesets", because that's what Wolf, Toon Link, Luigi, Falco, and Ganondorf are! [[User:HyperToad|HyperToad]]
:::wolf just has a similiar ( not much ) special moves {{User:McDimentio/sig}}
::::So? His moves arn't 100% original still. [[User:HyperToad|HyperToad]] Maybe you should read my last comment ''harder''.
:::::By this logic, Pichu wasn't a clone of Pikachu as well, because it did damage to itself with them. So either you call all clones, or nobody. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 12:09, 18 March 2008 (EDT)
::::::Isn't that interview fake? I mean, it said Ridley and Bowser Jr. would be playable, and Mr. Game & Watch and the Ice Climbers would not. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 15:20, 18 March 2008 (EDT)
:::::I don't think that interview is of issue anymore -- everyone agrees (I think...) that even if Sakurai brought up "clone" characters, he didn't call them that directly.  Cobold: If it's all or none, I choose none.  I'm not a fan of fanon terms without definite definitions anyway.  Yesh... all of those non-intentional puns. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 15:52, 18 March 2008 (EDT)
:::::::Well, it's not clear if Sakurai actually said "clone", or whatever he used to describe similar characters were fan-interpreted as "clones". Also, Ganondorf is far, far from a clone. His moves may ''look'' similar to Falcon's, but Ganon is an entirely different character, meaning the effects of the moves, Ganon is a lot bigger, slower, more powerful, and Falcon is slimmer, swifter, and less powerful. They are out of the question. Along with Luigi. {{User:Garlic Man/sig}}
lol jorge, take out da protection of toon link page and that opinion that he is a clone {{User:McDimentio/sig}}
:It's not clear if Sakurai said anything on the matter.  We need a proposal, ASAP.... maybe I'll do the honors. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 18:30, 18 March 2008 (EDT)

== SSE Levels? ==

Should we add pages for the levels of the SSE on the wiki and add a level list to the Brawl article?{{unsigned|Koopster 64}}

==Home-Run Bat==
Let's get this straight. Is the Home-Run Bat from the world of Smash, or [[EarthBound]]? There is a home-run bat in EarthBound, so why is it not from the Mother series? [[User:Torngentleman2|Torngentleman2]] 12:02, 18 March 2008 (EDT)
:Important in this case is what the trophy lists as first appearance. In Melee is said that the first appearance of the Home-Run Bat is [[Super Smash Bros.]], so it's officially not from EarthBound. The [http://www.brawlcentral.com/content.php?p=trophy/smash/home-run_bat Brawl Trophy] seems to do alike. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 12:07, 18 March 2008 (EDT)

==Costumes==
Should costumes be said on the character pages? I am asking here since it isn't just for one character.[[User:Alphaclaw11|Alphaclaw11]] 12:35, 18 March 2008 (EDT)
:You can mention Mario's Fire Mario outfit, but "alternate green outfit for Zelda", "alternate red outfit for Luigi" and things like that don't need to be mentioned explicitely. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 12:41, 18 March 2008 (EDT)
::I just meant stuff like Mario's fire and wario outfit. Wario's mario outfi, Link's dark link outfit, ect[[User:Alphaclaw11|Alphaclaw11]] 12:45, 18 March 2008 (EDT)

== Charcter items ==

Is there a reason charcter specific items aren't included on the list. I'll list them in case anyone wants to add them. An item is something that can be picked up by any character right? Well although these are produced by a specific charcter, anyone can grab them.
*Turnip
*Bomb (Two styles, WW and TP)
*Grenade
*Waddle Dee (He can be picked up and thrown)
*Peanut
*Wario Chopper and Wario Chopper pieces
*Power Suit Peices
*Sonic's spring (Although it can't be picked up, anyone can jump on it and bounce while it remains on the stage
*Gyro (ROB's top...)
Also the enemies on the Mario brothers stage can be thrown. Dunno if that counts them as an item though[[User:Lego3400|Lego3400]] 13:26, 22 March 2008 (EDT)

== Olimar's Moves ==

I have Brawl now and I have noticed that [[Olimar]] would normally have to pluck a pikmin to attack, but he can still attack, but the enemy won't flinch '''or''' take damage. So, I was thinking, "Why not put that in Olimar's section and his article?" I didn't do it yet because I think it would be good if I got a sysop's permission.

So what do you sysops think? May I put the info in? {{User:Glitz_Hawk/sig}}
:You don't have to ask for permission for editing an article. Go ahead! - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 09:25, 24 March 2008 (EDT)

== Dream Land? ==

¿Alguien sabe si sale la music del mundo de Kirby 64 Dream Land/Past Stages del juego Super Smash Bros Melee si va a salir en Super Smash Bros Brawl? es que la music esta chida.


In English:
Somebody knows if it leaves music the world of Kirby 64 Dream Land/Past Stages of the Super game Smash Bros Melee if it is going to leave in Super Smash Bros Brawl is that music this cool. {{unsigned|Birdoshi}}
:If a song doesn't appear [[List of Songs in Super Smash Bros. Brawl|here]], it's not in. If I remember correctly, that is the case. There is enough Kirby music in the game featuring the Kirby theme as well, don't worry about that. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 21:02, 24 March 2008 (EDT)

Esa cancion es una de las mas divertidas de kirby bueno es una lastima que no la hayan puesto

in english:
That song is one of but amused of kirby good she is one hurts that they have not put it {{unsigned|Birdoshi}}

== split the articals ==

I think we should split story mode and brawl!!!!
--[[User:Blue Koop|Blue Koop]] 14:40, 25 March 2008 (EDT)

I don't think we should. Even though the story seems long, it should NOT be seperated... AT ALL!!! Do we have any other stories seperated? No! So this one shouldn'! Besides, it would mess up the article! {{User:MegaMario9910/sig}}
:We decided against not to split games modes out of game articles because there would be nothing left to say about the game in this case. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 14:49, 25 March 2008 (EDT)
::Per all. {{User:Stooben Rooben/sig|'Tis not a good idea.}}
:Although, the article is very long.  Makingthis an exception might work, and Cobold, it actually would leave you with a lot to say about the game if you had the story '''mode'' in the article, but the literal story itself (what Link did, then Mario did that, Peach broke out the tea).  I'm okay with both sides b/c it be a purely asthetic thing to do... if I'm using asthetic right. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 03:58, 26 March 2008 (EDT)

IMO, the story mode should stay on this article. It seems... Out of place having its own article. {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}}

Subspace is possibly the best part in the article, so I too, agree to keeping the story mode with the rest of the page.

{{User:Glitz_Hawk/sig|My pet, Gloomtail, agrees with all of you on not splitting.}}

Can't we just shorten the story part? --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 14:58, 26 March 2008 (EDT)
:Yikes.  My comment is almost unreadable.  What I meant to say was, that we could still talk about the Subspace Emissary mode without talking about the storyline of said mode, so you could move the story to another article. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 18:44, 30 March 2008 (EDT)

I say move it. This page is huge and takes longer than normal to load, even on fast connection. While the loading is mostly images, Some of it can be cut down by seperateing SE's storyline. The creators said themselves its a Game within the game IIRC...

An article being very long does not exempt it from the same guidelines that are used on other game articles. Paper Mario 2 also had a separate page for the story at one time, but we decided to merge it because the only thing left to talk about is the gameplay and characters. Although, adding a few subsections to it wouldn't hurt.{{User:Knife/sig}} 01:09, 6 April 2008 (EDT)
:You gotta remember with Paper Mario, though, is that its "story mode" is the whole thing.  On the other hand, Brawl is, as Sakurai said, two games in one -- you have the story mode and the Brawl mode.  Plus, we're just talking about the literal story.  Things like how rules are different in the Emmisary and such would still be on this page. {{User:Stumpers/sig}} 20:44, 6 April 2008 (EDT)

==Music Lists==
In the boxes for the levels, can I just list the songs from each level?, because I notice not all the songs in a level are in those lists. {{unsigned|Yoshiman64}}
:You can add anything that's missing, surely. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 09:46, 31 March 2008 (EDT)
the offical site has it now so it should all be there :D [[User:Lego3400|Lego3400]] 11:48, 5 April 2008 (EDT)
::It '''is''' all there. I added them all today. {{User:Garlic Man/sig}}

== Bugs? ==

--http://www.mariowiki.com/images/8/81/Birdoasw.gif 15:17, 6 April 2008 (EDT)hey watches these videos where Pikachu and Peach are seen very but very rare in special Peach it sees itself very ugly, ah! also I ask that if anyone can do that and like?

Links:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZDgjjDnWLM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmoY1RmoZFA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuLHui7omLQ&feature=related

== Pokémon Trainer image ==

I don't see any problem in showing images of the Pokémon once on the trainer's artwork and once on their own screenshots. What's the problem with two images? We had a proposal that decided it is allowed to repeat images (we're not even repeating the same image here). - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 10:28, 8 April 2008 (EDT)

Agreed, Cobold. And showing just his... Head... That's really dumb, sorry to say. {{User:Pokemon DP/sig}}

you know' it's a little mean to say his... Head... what if you had an idea, and everyone mde fun of it. Even if it was a bad idea. {{unsigned|Brawlster513}}
:err wtf? {{User:Super-Yoshi/sig}}

ya, that was a little chilche. but what what about this pic(http://i1.ytimg.com/bg/41lRqv3FP6H3F1xtB1SvBg/default.jpg?app=bg&i=3631305&time=1225318357642).-Brawlster513(PS how do you type the sig symbols)

== Redo Events Please ==

Watching videos of the Event Matches on Youtube, I've noticed some major inaccuracies. For instance, in Co-Op Event 16: Jigglypuff Great Comeback, the goal is not to KO a Jigglypuff, but to KO Lucas & Ness.

But I don't want them to just be corrected. No, I'm proposing a major reformatting of the Event Matches. I'd like their descriptions to be more like Super Smash Bros. Melee's Event descriptions. Those are very easy to understand. So can we do this?

--Litnin200

I'll be happy to do it. I have the whole Brawl Guide beside me. {{User:MegaMario9910/sig}}

Sure, go ahead. --Litnin200

== Australian Release date ==

Nintendo.com.au has sent out an e-mail (to it's members) confirming the release date for SSBB to be ''' June 26 2008 '''.
Sadly my little computer is having trouble adding this new information, due to the size of the article.
If someone (with a better computer/browser) could ad it for me that would be really great. :)
Thanks - [[User:Despot joil|Despot joil]]

'''Sorry''' Never mind, I somehow managed it myself. It would appear it has mysteriously worked even though I have no idea how.
- [[User:Despot joil|Despot joil]]

==Photo==

I found that photo with all characters [[Image:Imagem23xc5.png|thumb|Caption
]] [[User:Super Luigi! Number one!]]
:It has been cut together by fans from the trophies of the characters seen at the beginning of the intro. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 15:16, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

== SSE section ==

...is currently quite a mess. We should arrange it by what happens in which level, maybe in table form, maybe in paragraph form. Also missing are in-game descriptions of the levels. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 16:38, 6 July 2008 (EDT)


== Spoilers, Not Related to Cars ==


I think the Bosses section should have a Spoiler template above it -  seeing what bosses appear is a spoiler to me. In fact, I avoided all Brawl-related articles until I got it. If I was trying to avoid spoilers, I would personally be shocked at seeing what the final boss is (and in this game, he's kept secret until the very end), where in most games it is predictable who the final boss will be.

{{User:Dom/sig}}

I agree. But not in all games. For example in Super Mario Bros., you know the final boss from the beginning, Bowser. [[Image:RPGMarioin3D.PNG|24px]] [[User:Clay Mario|Clay]] [[user talk:Clay Mario|Mario]] [[Image:RPGMarioin3D.PNG|24px]]

== Lazy Builders ==

Why is the page still under construction, huh?

{{User:Dom/sig}}
:The Subspace Emissary section still has problems in the levels part (which needs to be reviewed) and the images for Co-Op event matches are missing. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 09:46, 23 July 2008 (EDT)
 
==unnused Song==
i found many unused songs! Ninja Toad5
:You can list them on the [[Beta Elements]] page. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 15:13, 25 July 2008 (EDT)

==SubEm Stage List==

I had noticed this, and was wondering if in the characters slot (still in the SubEm Stage List), if it only counted as characters that appeared in that stage, or if they were playable in the list. Which one? --[[User:Palkia47|Palkia47]] 10:03, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
:I'd say those who were playable in at least one part of the stage. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 12:42, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
::Ok. Thanks! --[[User:Palkia47|Palkia47]] 08:58, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

== Protection ==

Although there hasn't been any vandalism, I'm concerned that this page is in danger. As I visit other nintendo wikis, I notice that there are many users that do not support Smash Bros link becaus there is a smash wiki. If they find out about this wiki, they will come here and do all sorts of stuff.

I'm not a Sysop, but I'm just letting everyone know, this page needs protection. {{User:R.O.B 128/sig}}

:No, we can't do that, because there still hasn't been repetitive vandalism/Edit war yet. Just because an article is in danger, or ''could'' be vandalized, it can't be protected. Thanks for your consideration, though. {{User:Garlic Man/sig}}

::I think what he means is to semi-protect this page, so that only users who have registered some weeks or more ago can edit the article. {{User:Time Q/sig}} 13:40, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
:::As long as there is no vandalism there is no reason to take action. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 14:13, 16 August 2008 (EDT)
::::Yeah, what Cobold said. {{User:Garlic Man/sig}} And per myself

:::::You all are very understanding. {{User:R.O.B 128/sig}}

== Critical Reception ==

Recently I got my magazine called ''Hyper'' - Australia's leading unofficial multi-format gaming magazine, and they did a Brawl review. So, should I add some interesting comments they made to the Critical Reception section? (BTW, I think "Critical Reception" sounds kinda dinky) I mean, our country needs a say about the game!

Oh, and if this page is still Under Construction in a few months - I'll go insane! 

{{User:Dom/sig|But I'm already insane...}}

:Yeah, I guess you could add that there (But "Critical Reception" seems the least dinkiest phrase I can think of). Also, the page is under construction because there are missing images for the co-op events. If those aren't found in a few months... sorry, but I guess you're going to lose your mind. It would help if you could find some of those pics, though. {{User:Garlic Man/sig}}


Meh, I guess that's true. If I were to take a picture of my screen of the small Co-op event pic, with a 2-megapixel phone camera - that would look terrible, so I guess it's up to someone else to find the images. Someone who lives in Megapixel Heaven.

{{User:Dom/sig|Actually, everything sounds "kinda "dinky" to me.}}

== Under Construction ==

Is this article still under construction? It looks well laid out to me. the only thing that needs to be changed is the pics on co-op events (We need MOOOOOORE). {{User:Jaffffey/sig}}
:Yeah, that's exact;y why it's still under construction... o_0 {{User:Garlic Man/sig}}

HOLY CRAP, NO MORE CONSTRUCTION TEMPLATE, w00000t!! XDXDXD. There's still some inconsistency probs, so maybe I'll work on those as a little mini-project. I'll try to feature it eventually. {{User:Garlic Man/sig}}

I've noticed that there are a few mistakes on some of the sections.  For example, the Poke Ball list shows the name "Onix," but that Pokemon never appeared in Brawl.  Unfortunately, the article is locked, so no one but administrators can fix that mistake. {{User:M&SG/sig}} 13:49, 4 October 2008 (EDT)
:It was only protected against newly registered users because of a lot of spam in the past. But that was two months ago, so I lifted the protection. - {{User:Cobold/sig}} 14:43, 4 October 2008 (EDT)